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Question for Curt By Navy2711 March 18, 2025 12:22 pm Category: Politics (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post Write A New Article How To Post Here

Curt,

Any thoughts on this conflict between the Trump admin and the judiciary? As far as I know, the courts have nearly no ability to enforce their rulings that limit the President, should the executive decide to just outright defy them. What do you think will happen if Trump just decides he's had enough of the courts?

For clarification: I'm not an alarmist to the extent that I think Trump wants a Kim Jong Un -style dictatorship. In regard to authoritarianism, I think he's motivated more by his ego that his sense of his role in society. But, he's clearly an authoritarian, and I think whatever he's going to do to solidify the executive department's power and control, he's going to do it sooner rather than later. Certainly before the mid-terms. So every day when I check the headlines, I'm expecting to see that the Trump admin has made a broad public statement that they will no longer be abiding by the courts' rulings. As usual, it will the be carefully worded for plausible deniability, and it will be his typical "float the idea and test the waters" statement, which he will pull back, later on. But by the end of 2026, I think we'll see very big changes in the relationship of the executive to the other branches.

Thoughts?

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by meagain on March 18, 2025 1:21 pm I think you are right to wonder. Trump has already defied a Court order and is undermining the Courts in his inimitable language that casts judges as corrupt in the hearing of the many lawsuits against him. It is intimidation that he expects will work as it seems to be doing for journalists and politicians. He is not satisfied with the degree of control he achieved with judicial appointments. by Curt_Anderson on March 18, 2025 10:20 pm Navy, Sorry for the delayed response. I have been hiking in Zion for the past couple of days. But I've been thinking along similar lines as you apparently. There are three branches of government. The current legislative branch is aiding and abetting the scofflaw executive branch. The judiciary has curtailed Trump somewhat, fortunately for our democracy. Judges stick together and don't like defendants ignoring their fellow judges' rulings. I saw a headline today that Chief Justice Roberts rebuked Trump. I may be naive, but I don't the American people will tolerate a lawless president and by extension his Republican enablers who mostly up for reelection in 2026. Trump's approval is 47.9%. I believe that our judiciary with an assist from the citizenry will be our best defense against Trump's worst impulses. by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 3:33 am Gang, What meagain accuses Trump of is actually what that puny DC District Judge attempted. Ole pb sees a constitutional crisis taking place right before our eyes... but it's the SwampJudiciary that's defying the law... AND THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION! This is lawfare 2.0 and it will fail. You have to watch the video of Stephen Miller depantsing Kasie Hunt on CNN. Ole pb'd lay odds that the Supreme Court will side with the Executive Branch on this but, if it does not, we will have a constitutional crisis. Big time. View Video by Navy2711 on March 19, 2025 7:07 am Curt, 1. "I have been hiking in Zion for the past couple of days." Man, I'm jealous. Couple days? Do you camp out overnight? I used to hike in Colorado all the time, but my work schedule never gave me more than one day in a row to do it (I had two jobs the entire time), so I never got to go on a multi-day hike. 2. I agree with what you said, but I'm asking you to further speculate on the specific scenario of Trump defying the judges. Which I think he WILL continue to do, to increasing degrees. And the American people don't have anything to say about it until next year. Trump is DONE with checks and balances — he'll only abide by them to the extent that he thinks he can push the issue, like a child seeing how far he can push his permissive mommy and daddy. I don't think it's a stretch to say that in the next two years, the courts will be put in a situation where the "right" action to take is to call out the Marshalls. Am I wrong about that? Am I being dramatic? by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 7:13 am Oy, Navy. Your TDS is Stage 4! You should get some help. by Navy2711 on March 19, 2025 7:18 am Also, Curt: "I may be naive, but I don't the American people will tolerate a lawless president " The American people elected a convicted criminal with a long history of blatant 24/7 lying, business fraud, sexual misconduct and an attempted insurrection. *shrug* I think you ARE being naive. I think that aside from some marching and shouting from leftists, the American people are going to sit on their hands and take whatever Trump dishes out. (BTW, I didn't start this thread to hammer you. I'm genuinely interested on your take about a hypothetical scenario where Trump defies the courts.) by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 7:27 am "The American people elected a convicted criminal with a long history of blatant 24/7 lying, business fraud, sexual misconduct and an attempted insurrection. *shrug* I think you ARE being naive." Baha by Curt_Anderson on March 19, 2025 8:03 am Navy, We're staying in a hotel in St. George Utah. More hiking today then we leave for Henderson NV and home tomorrow morning. Voting for a candidate who is a convicted tax cheat and adjudicated sex offender is different than tolerating a lawless president. Trump voters can rationalize that taxes are unfair and that women aren't really being sexually assaulted...or they really encouraged it. I believe judges and courts will keep Trump busy fighting legal battles. If Trump doesn't focus on the promises he made as a candidate there will be angry voters pressuring their reps to stop supporting Trump's law ignoring. I expect Trump himself will lose interest in fighting legal battles.Private citizen Musk who is neither elected or confirmed by Congress could face personal civil or criminal charges. Same for the non-billionaires in Doge. So I expect our system of checks and balances may bend but they won't break. by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 8:16 am Voting for a candidate who is a convicted tax cheat and adjudicated sex offender is different than tolerating a lawless president. Trump voters can rationalize that taxes are unfair and that women aren't really being sexually assaulted...or they really encouraged it. Here's the plain, unadulterated truth. MAGAs didn't give Trump and the GOPs control of everything in DC. It was moderate and independent common sense voters who made the difference because they realized that your Dingbat was the vastly inferior choice of the two. The entire Dem Swampcult lickstepped "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" through the primaries, then, again, the foisting of Cackles Mckneepads on voters. This is your fault, no doubt. Trump was a horrible candidate and you handed him the Oval Office on a silver platter. Don't blame moderate and independent common sense voters. They had no choice. by Navy2711 on March 19, 2025 8:21 am Curt, 1. "Trump voters can rationalize that ..." a. In 2015, if someone had asked you if American voters could rationalize a sitting president inciting an insurrection, and then voting for him again, what would you have said? b. What's an example of something that voters CAN'T rationalize, and would thus make Trump an intolerable "lawless president" in their eyes? Because they're being fed steady diet of propaganda, I don't think such a thing exists. I think Trump voters will tolerate absolutely anything he does. 2. "So I expect our system of checks and balances may bend but they won't break." In the big picture, I agree with this. I'm just speculating the specifics of how it's going to go down by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 8:22 am Re: "So I expect our system of checks and balances may bend but they won't break." Obama and Biden nominated lower court judges are attempting what amounts to an insurrection against Article 2 of the Constitution and the Separation of Powers. This is a lawfare version of state courts and bureaucrats attempting to keep Trump off the presidential ballot over that 14th Amendment lunacy. Your beloved checks and balances are all in the favor or the authority of the Executive Branch and the very distinct Separation of Powers that the Roberts Court embraces. by Curt_Anderson on March 20, 2025 9:11 am Others seem to share your pessimism, Navy. (NYT)Usually, voters won’t reward their elected leaders for violating norms, disrupting a stable constitutional order, or taking actions that are intrinsically unlawful, said Aziz Huq, a law professor at the University of Chicago and co-author of the book “How to Save a Constitutional Democracy.” But that calculus may not apply to Mr. Trump, who has based his political appeal on gleefully flouting sacrosanct norms. Refusing to accept courts’ authority may actually appeal to the president’s base, Huq said, if they take it as evidence of strength rather than lawlessness. Past presidents have also been more constrained by elites within the political establishment. “Richard Nixon had to care not just about public opinion, but Walter Cronkite, and Republican and Democratic Party leaders,” Mr. Levitsky said. “That constraint, which was difficult to measure, but I think very real in the 20th century, has lifted.” Today, traditional gatekeepers are much weaker — particularly when leaders like Mr. Trump profit politically by picking fights with the establishment. nytimes.com by HatetheSwamp on March 20, 2025 9:35 am NYT... OPINION. by meagain on March 21, 2025 8:59 am I wonder did the system of checks and balances ever work? America started with a very weak residency that had few real powers. Even the ability to declare war was contingent on Congress giving approval and authorising the funding. It has steadily increased its powers, often with the help of the Supreme Court. It cannot "overpower" the others but it can often ignore them. I think the idea was a well-meaning attempt to strengthen the separation that existed in the Westminster model, but it has failed. by HatetheSwamp on March 21, 2025 9:07 am I love your attempts to grace us with the abundance of wisdom about US history. Article 1 on the Constitution creates the Legislature. Article 2, the Executive Branch, which the Founders intended to execute the will of the people through Congress. Congress, in time, created a huuuuuuuuuge bureaucracy which the President manages. It's the President’s authority over the bureaucracy that increases his power. Go To Top

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