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Maine universities agree to keep transgender athletes out of women's sports after Trump admin pauses funding
The U.S. Department of Agriculture announced Wednesday that the University of Maine System (UMS) has agreed to comply with President Donald Trump's executive order to keep transgender athletes out of women's sports.

UMS, a network of eight public universities in Maine, was subject to a temporary pause in funding from the USDA last week during an ongoing battle between the state and the federal government over trans inclusion in women's and girls sports. The funding was reinstated just days later.

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by Curt_Anderson on March 20, 2025 9:37 pm Why is the U.S. Department of Agriculture concerned at all about women's sports issues?! by HatetheSwamp on March 21, 2025 4:43 am Curt, Are you and I beginning to agree? The Swamp is a jumbled mess? As Rush used to say, "Welcome aboard!" by oldedude on March 21, 2025 7:19 am Why is the U.S. Department of Agriculture concerned at all about women's sports issues?! Good question! And one that I was wondering about also🤔. Maybe with the demise of DOE, they're the pickup. I would have thought HHS (health and Human Services). So for now it remains a mystery. If you find an answer, please let me know. All kidding aside. by oldedude on March 21, 2025 8:41 am I "may" have a partial answer. Dept of Ag had LOTS of loans and grants, etc out to Maine farmers, which expected to be paid a couple of weeks ago. This whole thing is wrapped around trying to get that money, according to the Maniac news. So it seems that instead of a slap on the hand, this was a shot at the jugular to the state. I think that's why the schools weren't that excited about it. There was A LOT going on in the Maine legislature to the gov's office. Not saying I agree with the methods. As far as I can see, this may be a partial? answer. mainepublic.org mainebeacon.com wgme.com nhpr.org by oldedude on March 21, 2025 8:32 pm At this time, they are parsing up Dept of Ed. Not much to parse up, but we may have an answer. I still vote for most of it going to HHS. by HatetheSwamp on March 22, 2025 2:49 am From Bev Jackson, leading UK LGB anti-TQ activist: "Please stop misleading your readers. There is no rule excluding transgender athletes from women’s sports. It should say “Maine universities agree to keep male athletes out of women’s sports.” Whether they are transgender or not is not relevant. Female transgender athletes - that means people born female who now call themselves “transgender” - can certainly take part in women’s sports (if they pass drug tests of course)." by oldedude on March 22, 2025 9:14 am Okay, I can live with that! by ROB3RT on March 22, 2025 11:20 am Yes, Bev Jackson is correct. The rule prohibits males from participating in women's sports. The issues is sex, not gender. They are different things. For most of human history, the most fundamental dividing line has been between male and female. When a baby is born, it either has a penis or a vagina, so we sort them into different groups. The male produces the small gamete (sperm) and the female produces the large gamete (the egg). This is the scientific definition of male and female that is used to define sex in all complex organisms, plant an animal. Humans are born one sex or the other, and you can't change that. Someone born male will never produce an egg, and someone born female will never produce a sperm. That's basic science. So when someone experiences gender dysphoria, they hate their sexual body parts and they want to change them. They identify with the other sex. But a man with gender dysphoria is not a woman. He's a man dealing with psychological stuff. Most people want to be nice. If a male says he identifies as female and wants us to use female pronouns, most of us will think "Why not?" and do that because it's the nice thing to do. And it is. In general, I have no problem with trying to accommodate people in social settings, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. And most times it doesn't hurt others. But there are times where we have to use scientifically accurate words, and this includes when we're talking legal and political issues. Girls (by which I mean those born female) are affected when someone born male wants to use their restrooms, private spaces or participate in their sports leagues. It's a matter of safety and fairness, but it's also law and politics. And it's just plain common sense. Most women's spaces are segregated by sex for a reason, often safety, privacy or fairness. Women should have the right to define and decide who belongs there, and if they don't want men (even those who identify as women) that should be for them to decide. Language is supposed to clarify, but trans advocacy is all about obfuscating, about confusing the scientific concepts of male and female in order to promote a political agenda. If you care about science, you need to push back on this. by HatetheSwamp on March 22, 2025 11:24 am Well said, Rob3rt. by oldedude on March 22, 2025 1:39 pm Agreed, I can definitely live with that. by meagain on March 22, 2025 3:19 pm Years ago I thought much the same. However, it is proving to be much more complicated. Psychological questions and childhood experiences may have much to do with it but there are probable genetic and hormonal influences that do contribute to ender identity. by ROB3RT on March 22, 2025 4:23 pm Meagain: I agree. In a world in which there can be 72 genders, gender identify can be a complicated thing. Did you know that there are people, born male, who as adults have not taken any hormones or had any surgery (meaning they still have a penis and get erections), who identify as female? Maybe they have a handlebar mustache or a beard. But since they identify as women, and they are attracted to women, they consider themselves lesbians. And they get angry at real lesbians (born female) who won't sleep with them, and they refer to this barrier as the "cotton ceiling" (check out Wikipedia link below). That's how ridiculous gender identity is. It means anything you want it to mean, to justify anything you want do or get. There are people who consider themselves gender fluid, which means they may feel like using a men's restroom before lunch and a ladies restroom after. How do you tell a gender-fluid "lesbian" with an erection that "she" does not belong in a women's restroom, a women's locker room, a women's spa, or on a women's sports team. It's complicated, right? I have an easier solution. How about we use the scientific definition of sex as the baseline organizing principle? Under this system, we recognize that males produce the small gamete -- and display secondary sexual characteristics such as a penis, testicles -- while females produce the large gamete and display secondary sexual characteristics as ovaries, vaginas, mammary glands and so on. Using this as the guideline, it's much easier to determine who should use which restroom, locker room, prison, spa or sports league. Let's make it really simple. If you have a penis, you belong in the male group (restroom, locker room, sports team, if you have a vagina, you belong in the women's group. If you're confused, use the unisex "family" restroom. This makes it a lot easier, doesn't it? Gender identify may be complicated, but it's also irrelevant to most of the decisions we need to make. en.wikipedia.org Go To Top

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