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UCR Crime Stats. Too Unreliable to Cite with Conviction
By oldedude
June 15, 2024 8:04 am
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I understand that curt (especially) is getting his information from what I think we both would consider "reliable" sources. The issue with the UCR/NIBRS is there are several things that have been the bane of the their existence, and which DOJ rarely talks about. The big one is standardization of information. FBI says agencies are to fill out the information from the "arrest" record. This creates a huge issue when the charges change, and "innocent until proven guilty" arises and the "suspect" isn't charged with a homicide because the charges were dropped. That opens the agency up to huge lawsuits. Something the DOJ didn't think of.

I've cited a couple of different articles that include issues DOJ (inclusive) and others have seen are problems.

What Can FBI Data Say About Crime in 2021? It’s Too Unreliable to Tell
Nearly 40% of law enforcement agencies around the country did not submit any data in 2021 to a newly revised FBI crime statistics collection program, leaving a massive gap in information sure to be exploited by politicians in midterm election campaigns already dominated by public fear over a rise in violent crime.

The gap includes the nation’s two largest cities by population, New York City and Los Angeles, as well as most agencies in five of the six most populous states: California, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

In 2021, the FBI retired its nearly century-old national crime data collection program, the Summary Reporting System used by the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program. The agency switched to a new system, the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS), which gathers more specific information on each incident. Even though the FBI announced the transition years ago and the federal government spent hundreds of millions of dollars to help local police make the switch, about 7,000 of the nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies did not successfully send crime data to the voluntary program last year.


FBI Moves to Fix Critical Flaw in Its Crime Reporting System
In response to an investigation by Newsy, Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica, the bureau says it has expedited a process expected to change reporting rules and require police to disclose cases they classify as unfounded.

NEW ORLEANS — The FBI will fast-track a fix to address flaws in its uniform crime report and is expected to change reporting rules to encourage more transparency about the outcomes of investigations by local law enforcement agencies, following a yearlong investigation by Newsy, Reveal from the Center For Investigative Reporting and ProPublica.

The investigation uncovered a major flaw in the FBI’s next generation crime reporting system, the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). The new system does not track cases police classify as “unfounded,” a category for when police say the victim is lying or the reported crime did not occur.

In our November investigation, we found that the FBI reports zero unfounded cases for thousands of agencies using the new system, although records from those agencies show they classify many cases this way.

For example, the Prince William County Police Department in Virginia showed no unfounded cases in the FBI crime statistics for 2016. However, internal department records show that Prince William County police classified nearly 40 percent of all rape cases as unfounded that year.

“You have found something that needs to be corrected,” said Col. Edwin C. Roessler Jr., chairman of the FBI’s NIBRS transition task force, and chief of police in Fairfax County, Virginia. “This is a crisis, an emergency.”


Cited and related links:

  1. themarshallproject.org
  2. propublica.org

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Comments on "UCR Crime Stats. Too Unreliable to Cite with Conviction":

  1. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 10:44 am
    Crime is down long term. It's not about one year.


  2. by oldedude on June 15, 2024 10:51 am
    Nearly 40% of law enforcement agencies around the country did not submit any data in 2021 to a newly revised FBI crime statistics collection program, leaving a massive gap in information sure to be exploited by politicians in midterm election campaigns already dominated by public fear over a rise in violent crime.
    And it's still a problem. Please read the post if you're going to comment. It makes life easier for everyone.


  3. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 11:01 am

    I read it and I also explained how percentages work and are used to confuse the mentally challenged like yourself.


  4. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 11:02 am

    As well as explaining how Fox manipulates those stats and outright lies about the crime "problem" in America.


  5. by oldedude on June 15, 2024 11:06 am
    Apparently, you can't read. It had nothing to do with the percentages you're talking about. It has to do with inaccurate information entered into the system as a result of no one having a single way of doing it. You don't have the capability to understand that, so I'll just let you sit quietly in your corner with your right hand. Dreaming of your next party.


  6. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 1:32 pm

    Odorous, Odorous, Odorous... People entering info into different systems is part of the established system - that's the way it is EVERY year. So you're still getting apples to apples comparison to past studies whether Fox likes it or not.


  7. by oldedude on June 15, 2024 2:00 pm
    For the past 3 years (and the third time I said this), 40% of agencies entering the information have not entered either complete information, or accurate information BECAUSE OF THE NEW SYSTEM. This means that the information collected is different AND it wasn't converted from the old system. So "homicides" may not be either relational in the new software, or it may not show at all. The DOJ didn't know in 2021. It has gotten better, but the old numbers are not accurate (again,, according to the owners of the software, FBI). You believe that if you have bullshit numbers, the percentages will still come out accurate. I don't think that's the case. I mean, you can say that all you want and it's still bullshit.


  8. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 4:04 pm

    You're talking about a glass of water when I'm talking about the sea. A few people didn't report the last few years - okay fine. That does not change the fact crime overall was cut in half over the last 30 years.


  9. by oldedude on June 16, 2024 6:00 am
    "a few people"? You mean 40% of the country (4th time I've said it), including NYC & LA. Those jurisdictions WILL sway the total. You're arguing just to be a dickhead.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on June 16, 2024 6:22 am

    From OD's initial post:

    I understand that curt (especially) is getting his information from what I think we both would consider "reliable" sources.

    As usual, OD, bang on.

    Imo, it's a question of what is reliable. I'm HatetheSwamp because the Swamp itself is dysfunctional and corrupt. There's no reason to trust it and, certainly, rely on it... as Curt does, like the most bonkers, unquestioning, Christian fundamentalist trust in Seven Day Creationism.

    America has the "dithering and diminished" Doddering Old Fool 16 points under water on crime for a reason. WE know. Despite what Curt... and Indy... and, woke whitesters in general, want to believe against real world evidence.

    realclearpolling.com


  11. by Indy! on June 16, 2024 10:17 am

    Again, peebs - don't know how many times I need to say this - polling is nothing more than opinion, not fact.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on June 16, 2024 10:58 am

    Again, Indy. This is a democracy, baha. Opinion EFFINrules.


  13. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 11:07 am

    Opinions do not win debates. So - thanks for accepting your loss with about the most grace we can expect to see from a Trumper.


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