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The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana classrooms under requirement signed into law
By HatetheSwamp
June 19, 2024 2:32 pm
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I hope our resident Ivy League law school professor and former Supreme Court clerk will weigh in on this one. Supreme Court decisions in the last two years have elevated the rights of states, based on the 10th Amendment.

Current Supreme Court precedent on religion cases is based on earlier Courts applying the 14th Amendment to the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment... and preventing individual states from doing with the Bill of Rights merely prevents Congress from doing. The 14th Amendment says, in part:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The 10th Amendment?:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Dobbs abortion decision returned to "the people and their elected representatives" what the Court formerly took away from them.

Up to then, this Louisiana case would have been a no-brainer. The 1st Amendment says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Fold in the 14th Amendment. That means that no state can do it either.

But, now? "The people and their elected representatives" in Louisiana require a summary of the Ten Commandments... not the actual Ten Commandments... to appear in public school classrooms.

This will get to the Supreme Court in a few years. Hoe will it decide?

Needless to say, pb has an opinion.


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Comments on "The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana classrooms under requirement signed into law":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on June 19, 2024 2:48 pm
    Isn't the Ten Commandments already a summary? Seems rather succinct to me.

    I for one like to make graven images. Also I frequently curse on the Sabbath and don't keep it especially holy. I like to relax with a beer and covet my neighbor's wife.

    Most courts, with this Supreme Court being a possible exception, would see immediately that a law requiring the posting of religious dogma violates the First Amendment. Then again, SCOTUS has been pondering for months over the simple, no-brainer issue of absolute presidential immunity.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on June 19, 2024 2:59 pm

    How is a poster of the Ten Commandments dogma?


  3. by Curt_Anderson on June 19, 2024 3:11 pm
    Sheesh, HtS, you can be obtuse. How about you post a definition of dogma and tell us how the Ten Commandments is NOT dogma?


  4. by Indy! on June 19, 2024 8:27 pm

    And then answer this one...

    The Dobbs abortion decision returned to "the people and their elected representatives" what the Court formerly took away from them.

    What - exactly - was taken away from the anti-choice people? Cuz I KNOW what was taken away from the pro-choice people with Dobbs. And btw, the only "decision" required of the 6 rightwing whores was whether or not to take the money one more time.


  5. by Ponderer on June 22, 2024 8:27 am

    "How is a poster of the Ten Commandments dogma?" -Hate



    😳



    And the man supposedly went to some sort of seminary school.

    dogma [dawg-muh, dog-]
    noun, plural dog·mas or (Rare) dog·ma·ta [dawg, -m, uh, -t, uh].

    1. an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church.
    Synonyms: philosophy, doctrine
    2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption;
    the recently defined dogma of papal infallibility.

    Synonyms: law, canon, tenet

    Not only is it religious dogma, but it's also flagrantly wanton religious grooming! Certainly more so than a rainbow on a wall.



    "Sheesh, HtS, you can be obtuse." -Curt

    Give him a break, Curt. MAGA Hats have nothing rational or fact based to defend the MAGA position with on this issue. Or any issue really for that matter. Pulling bullshit outta their asses and hypocritically lying is the only alternative left to them.


    "What - exactly - was taken away from the anti-choice people?" -Indy!

    Nothing. Just as same-sex marriage didn't affect them in any personal way whatsoever.


  6. by Ponderer on June 22, 2024 8:30 am

    Ten Commandments
    plural noun

    the precepts spoken by God to Israel, delivered to Moses on Mount Sinai; the Decalogue. Exodus 20:2–17; Deuteronomy 5:6–21. Though the numbering of these commandments may differ in some religions, that which has been followed in this dictionary is based on the King James Version of the Bible.


    About as dogmatic as you can get.


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  7. by Ponderer on June 22, 2024 8:33 am




    In fact, the Ten Commandments in the Bible are as much dogma as Americans being allowed to bear arms in the Constitution is a right.





  8. by Indy! on June 22, 2024 9:10 am

    It's times like these it would be nice to still be in school so I could create my own "commandments" and paste them over the top of the "official" ones hanging on the walls in school rooms.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2024 10:51 am

    In fact, the Ten Commandments in the Bible are as much dogma as Americans being allowed to bear arms in the Constitution is a right.

    What does that even mean?


  10. by Ponderer on June 23, 2024 6:57 am

    "In fact, the Ten Commandments in the Bible are as much dogma as Americans being allowed to bear arms in the Constitution is a right.

    What does that even mean?" -Hate


    Isn't that sad? He is absolutely incompetent at making an equitable comparison, yet he expects to understand one when someone else uses one.


  11. by oldedude on June 23, 2024 7:21 am
    First, I'm not sure if this is a good idea for a law, so I'll just throw that out to begin with.

    Is it dogma? Sure according to the dictionary. I always use that as a derogatory term though, so there is that also.

    "In fact, the Ten Commandments in the Bible are as much dogma as Americans being allowed to bear arms in the Constitution is a right.

    I'm a little lost on that one also, and if what I think is correct, then I agree with you (no sarcasm though). They are both "laws" that apply to a finite group.

    My view is the Commandments are pretty good ideas to live by, but I personally don't hold anyone to them. The flip side is that when people don't live by them in general, I tend to think less of them. This is more of a view of their moral aptitude.


  12. by Ponderer on June 23, 2024 8:10 am

    Hey od! Nice to see you again!

    What I said was along the lines of those multiple choice logic questions you'd get on exams at school...

    ______ is to _______ as _______ is to ________.

    In this case, The Bible's Ten Commandments is to religious dogma as the Constitution's Second Amendment is to a civil right

    You are much more capable of understanding equitable comparisons that Hate is, so I can tell that you do get what I'm saying.


    "My view is the Commandments are pretty good ideas to live by, but I personally don't hold anyone to them." -olde dude

    I'm right there with you. Except for a couple of them.

    There's no way to get around the fact that forcing the posting in all classrooms of the Judaeo-Christian god declaring "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", or dictating how religious days are to be observed, or how one is forbidden to speak of that god, is establishing a religion in the classrooms. Try as Hate may.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on June 23, 2024 10:18 am

    ...establishing a religion in the classrooms

    Yeah, well, when Louisiana demands that students show up on Saturdays for worship, I'll think something has been "established." Baha.


  14. by Indy! on June 23, 2024 10:51 am

    Every classroom being required to post the commandments has been "established" by this new law. Tax payers - christian or no - will be forced to pay for it. Maybe you need to look up the word "establish" and come back at us? 🤔


  15. by oldedude on June 23, 2024 11:26 am
    It's a "summary" of the Commandments. Ergo, not a quote or pushing a religion depending on how the summary looks. (This is just the view of the states implementing, I stand by "it's not a hill I'd die on over this).


  16. by Curt_Anderson on June 23, 2024 11:46 am
    What is a "summary" of the Ten Commandments? They are already pretty brief.

    Maybe it's this...
    No worshippin' other gods
    No makin' idols
    No swearin'
    No goofin' around on Sunday
    No disobeyin' your parents
    No murderin'
    No adulterin'
    No stealin'
    No lyin'
    No covetin'


  17. by oldedude on June 23, 2024 11:49 am
    Don't know. It's what the news story said, so you had the same access I did. I'm just not mocking or "assuming" things I don't know.


  18. by Curt_Anderson on June 23, 2024 12:12 pm
    I know OD, I wasn't calling you out. I questioned in the first comment above what a "summary" might be.

    Btw, I think you were correct when you said dogma has a negative connotation, although I didn't think of it as derogatory when I used it.


  19. by Indy! on June 23, 2024 3:15 pm

    Funny that OD presumes we would believe he wouldn't die on any hill Fox tells him to die on when he joined the freakin' military. 😂


  20. by oldedude on June 23, 2024 3:46 pm
    And that you're such a coward that you hide behind your daddys' skirts and your mama's pimp.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2024 3:36 am

    Here's the Ten Commandments... in the translation most popular among those wicked white supremacist, as po'd say theocrat, evangelicals,... the Exodus 20 version:

    2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

    4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

    8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

    12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

    13 “You shall not murder.

    14 “You shall not commit adultery.

    15 “You shall not steal.

    16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

    17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."


  22. by Ponderer on June 24, 2024 8:09 am

    All of which perfectly fits the definition of religious "dogma".

    Just so long as long as it isn't printed on a poster of course.











  23. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2024 9:14 am

    But, po. Those words won't be on the poster.

    Tell me, though, whose dogma do you claim will be on the poster?


  24. by Indy! on June 24, 2024 10:23 am

    Question on this one for any of the religious folks on board...

    2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    If Lord your God brought the slaves out of Egypt - why didn't he also free the slaves in the American South? 🤔


  25. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2024 10:38 am

    Wait. What!!!!!?

    Indy,

    There are slaves in the American south!!!!!? Tell that to my great great granddaddy who died young after being brutalized in the Andersonville Confederate POW camp!!!!!


  26. by Indy! on June 24, 2024 10:42 am

    PB... Wait, what? There are slaves in Egypt?

    Please try to at least make sense, okay? And I don't give a shit about your granddaddy.


  27. by Ponderer on June 24, 2024 10:43 am

    Wow.

    Indy!, that is exactly the sort of pig-headded, asinine, infantile bullshit that got me to stop dealing directly with this stupidfucking asshole Hate. He thinks he's so cute arguing points that no one is making to obfuscate the fact that he has no rational or cogent argument to defend his position.



  28. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2024 10:58 am

    Yeah, Indy and po. Einstein had trouble splaining the Theory of Relativity to people, not so much with limited intelligence but with limited imagination... such as yourselves.

    Great great volunteered to fight in the war that ended slavery in the American south... 150+ years ago.


  29. by Indy! on June 24, 2024 11:02 am

    My family fought in the CIvil War too - and unlike most people who make that claim, I actually have verifiable proof. So what?

    Your Einstein thing is laughable considering you couldn't even figure out my comparison was dead-on and exposed your lord and god for the fairy tale he is. Why would he save SOME slaves - but not ALL of them? Aren't they ALL his children? There has been slavery throughout history (even today) - where is your... ahem... "saviour" now? Why isn't he "saving" these people since he is your "saviour"? On vacation the last couple millennia? 🤔


  30. by oldedude on June 26, 2024 9:09 pm
    So considering your question. It's useless giving you an answer. You can't listen to any other voice but your own. "Indy? I think not. You should change to "narcissist."


  31. by Indy! on June 27, 2024 11:48 am

    Translation: You got me again, Indy - I go nothing!


  32. by oldedude on June 27, 2024 12:23 pm
    No, it means that you have no ability to actually have empathy in your self-centered, narcissistic world.

    Narcissistic abuse is a form of emotional and psychological abuse that comes from a person with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)[1][2][3]. People with NPD have low empathy, a sense of entitlement, a lack of boundaries, and a need for attention[1][3]. They use manipulative communication, gaslighting, constant criticism, humiliation, and coercion to exploit and harm others[1][2][3]. Narcissistic abuse can be incredibly difficult to endure[2].
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  33. by Indy! on June 27, 2024 3:42 pm

    Answer the question, OD. We're not looking for more of your unnecessary attacks and vitriol. Why isn't your "all powerful" "god" saving the slaves on the earth today... or at any time since Moses' time? Do you have an answer or not?

    And again - see if you can make at least ONE post that is amicable.


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