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The woke white world is paranoid about Charlie Kirk and TPUSA
By HatetheSwamp
June 16, 2024 11:51 am
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You garden-variety white, woke progressives may know little, maybe nuthin, about Charlie Kirk and his Frankenstein's monster Turning Point USA but he's the real deal.

Note the paranoia oozing from the MotherJones article.

Charlie Kirk may be the most powerful GOP/conservative/libertarian in the country who's not interested in holding political office.

Actually, pb'd been thinking about entering a thread about Kirk and TPUSA fighting to counteract the Dem advantage in ballot harvesting, ballot curing and diddling with the chain of custody of mail-in ballots. He thought he had plenty of time. But, now? Voila!

It's likely that, if Trump wins, Charlie Kirk will make the difference.


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on June 16, 2024 2:29 pm
    What struck you as paranoia in the MJ article? It seemed more mocking to me. The supposedly young MAGA there were not so young in the audience and on stage. Consider the speaker lineup: former Trump HUD secretary Ben Carson, 72; Trump advisor Roger Stone, 71; Steve Bannon, 70—and Trump, of course, just turned 78.



  2. by HatetheSwamp on June 16, 2024 2:40 pm

    Charlie began to be massively important, as far as I can tell, about 3ish years ago?

    I'd be curious to know what you learned about him from your Holy Trinity... or po's metaphorical Rachel...

    ... before this MotherJones article. Not much, I'm guessin.

    Thing is. The GOP geezers are coming to him, not t'other way round.

    Where he's dangerous is if he can, as he implies, organize an army of those TPUSA college chapters to neutral Dems on the ballot harvesting, ballot curing and diddling with the chain of custody of mail-in ballots.

    Mock away while you have your day. He's exceeded my expectations many times over, so far. We'll see.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on June 16, 2024 3:25 pm
    I remember Kirk's promise to get out the youth vote for Trump in 2020. Happily he failed to meet my expectations.

    Anyway, I wasn't mocking him I said the article you deemed paranoid was more mocking in tone than worried.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 17, 2024 5:19 am

    Link to the 020 promise.

    Either way. I remember the right-wing media beginning to pay homage to Kirk about three years ago. His annual Turning Point Conference now rivals CPAC as a happnin time.

    I do think he'll have a prove himself in 024 but I'm heartened to see that MotherJones is off its feed over him.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on June 17, 2024 9:04 am
    Blame game erupts over Trump’s decline in youth vote
    Everyone had a scapegoat — from the president himself, to the campaign to outside groups like Turning Point USA.
    politico.com


  6. by HatetheSwamp on June 17, 2024 9:48 am

    Interesting. It was within weeks of the election. Dust was still settling. Heck, the, bahaha, insurrection hadn't even happened yet.

    What I know is that MotherJones is going bonkers over Kirk and GOPs and conservatives and libertarians are sucking up to him more than ever.


  7. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 10:27 am

    Is Kirk still around? Thought that video of him cruelly and mercilessly browbeating his wife for 10 minutes because she needed the car and he didn't want her to take it killed him even with the cruel and merciless GOP crowd. Good lord what a fucking jackass that dude is - made him look like the worst husband in history. I sure hope she divorced him by now.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on June 17, 2024 10:35 am

    huh


  9. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 11:03 am

    Google it. It was a huge thing on twitter a couple years ago. Unbelievable how he was ripping into her because she needed the car and he wanted her to uber or take a cab because he might "need" the car later. Absolutely brutal. And she kept starting her responses with "Charlie - I love you and know you love me, but..." which tells me she was already thinking the marriage was a HUGE mistake.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on June 17, 2024 11:25 am

    Link?


  11. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 1:59 pm

    Saw it on twitter (as noted) and I no longer have a twitter account. Google it - it's out there somewhere.



  12. by HatetheSwamp on June 17, 2024 2:48 pm

    Indy,

    I couldn't find your story but I did find a lot of woke hatestories about Kirk.

    I'm beginning to think that he's more of a threat to you than I could have imagined.


  13. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 4:03 pm

    By "threat" you mean there's a "threat" that I won't hear his name again until the next time you bring him up? Cuz the last time I heard from your boy he was yelling at his wife in the video 3 or 4 years ago.


  14. by oldedude on June 17, 2024 11:28 pm
    I couldn't find your story but I did find a lot of woke hatestories about Kirk.

    I'm beginning to think that he's more of a threat to you than I could have imagined.

    It's interesting to me that he is such a threat to others that are "supposed to be" secure in their world. If I get asked, I can respond. Charlie is much the same way. He's sick of the stupid sheep that handle people they "disagree" with as "subhuman" and worse. I don't think that will change.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on June 18, 2024 3:34 am

    OD,

    I'm fascinated by Kirk. He's a genuine political entrepreneur. He's done all he's done and he's only 30.

    I have no idea if he'll make a difference in the election but he's doing things no one's done before... and, clearly, progressives are p**pin their drawers.


    Incidentally, I'm in a conversation with a friend who's deep into institutional Christianity... over a recent Fox News interview one of his Turning Point influencers gave to splain why Gen Z women are trashing the church. (See link)

    Charlie has his hand in everything. Like him or not. He's creating new paradigms everywhere.

    View Video


  16. by Indy! on June 18, 2024 11:55 am

    Funny video. The question is why are Gen Z women leaving religion and the Fox mouthpiece tries to tie it to everything Fox hates... transgenders, feminism, the Democrats... But you know what they never got around to? Look at the first chart with the different generations and add up the two percentage numbers for each one...

    Z - Men 46%, Women 54%
    Mills - 53/47
    X - 55/45
    Boomers - 57/43

    ...they all add up to 100 - which equals 50% of the population no matter how you slice it by generation. Half the people in the country are not interested in religion at all. Break that down by religion? And you religious folks have quite a lot of explaining to do because you have 50% of Americans not interested in religion AT ALL - we don't want to hear about it. And then you have all the smaller subgroups - the Christians, the Jewish folks, the muslims, etc... all fighting over the other 50%. You guys - the religions - are the MINORITY in America.


  17. by oldedude on June 18, 2024 1:21 pm
    Lead- I did look at the Gen Z interview. I don't know where you fall into this other than you said you were in a "discussion" on it. I'm going to throw my halfpenny in to see how it falls. Being a diehard Boomer I didn't expect to have many commonalities with what she said. It may also have been my prior upbringing as a kid, and training as an adult.

    One of the ways psychologists view how people view others is by "gatherers" and "splitters." Obviously, gatherers tend to group things in looking for likenesses. In this case, looking at "Christians" on the broad stroke of "do you believe in the basic tenants of the Bible (the belief in the immaculate conception, the life and death of Christ, and the resurrection.

    Splitters are going to view each sect and their differences. "You're not 'Christian' because you don't have communion at each service'" for example. Although that is a "Catholic" way to split, I see it very common in the church where my step son (and his friends) and my wife go.

    In my own beliefs, I find the splitters a very hard way to view the religion. What I got from the video is that many of the "Z'ers" have a hard time with that also. FYSA, I'm also "wrong" according to my friends. Oh well. They also strongly condemn others that I won't.


  18. by Indy! on June 18, 2024 3:31 pm

    Lots of "Christian" religions have communion of some sort. At the last supper Jesus held up the bread and said "Take this all of you and eat from it - this is my body..." - then he did the same with the wine (which only the priest drinks at most masses). The difference is Catholics believe the communion is actually the body of Christ once the mass is said. That is the reason for the mass.

    The reason SOME Catholics don't believe other Christian religions are not "Christian" is because Catholicism is the religion that is directly tied to Christ. His disciple Peter was the first pope. Every other "Christian" religion are offshoots that were created almost exclusively to eliminate rules that the new religion leaders didn't like. Henry the VIII wanted a divorce - the pope rejected him - so he started the Protestant religion. Same with Martin Luther. And John Smith. So - bottom line - the one true CHRISTian religion is Catholicism. The rest are poseurs.


  19. by Indy! on June 18, 2024 3:31 pm

    Lots of "Christian" religions have communion of some sort. At the last supper Jesus held up the bread and said "Take this all of you and eat from it - this is my body..." - then he did the same with the wine (which only the priest drinks at most masses). The difference is Catholics believe the communion is actually the body of Christ once the mass is said. That is the reason for the mass.

    The reason SOME Catholics don't believe other Christian religions are not "Christian" is because Catholicism is the religion that is directly tied to Christ. His disciple Peter was the first pope. Every other "Christian" religion are offshoots that were created almost exclusively to eliminate rules that the new religion leaders didn't like. Henry the VIII wanted a divorce - the pope rejected him - so he started the Protestant religion. Same with Martin Luther. And John Smith. So - bottom line - the one true CHRISTian religion is Catholicism. The rest are poseurs.


  20. by oldedude on June 18, 2024 9:37 pm
    Lead- I continue to only keep tabs on Kirk, I'm mostly in agreement with him, but haven't really listened to him to make the decision on him yet. I do think he's doing the right thing for the right reason, but that's a general statement as of now.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on June 19, 2024 6:53 am

    OD,

    I'm pretty much on board with Caroline Joyous. I don't participate in the institutional church, but I believe in Jesus and I'm committed to following him.


    As far as Kirk is concerned, he fascinates me as an political entrepreneur.

    It stuns me to note the degree that politicians and media on the right kowtow to him.


  22. by Indy! on June 19, 2024 11:27 am

    Politicians and media kowtow to Trump too, which tells you what kind of $2 whores they are.


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