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Violent crime is down and the US murder rate is plunging, FBI statistics show
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June 10, 2024 9:57 pm
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(CNN)Violent crime dropped by more than 15% in the United States during the first three months of 2024, according to statistics released Monday by the FBI.

The new numbers show violent crime from January to March dropped 15.2% compared to the same period in 2023, while murders fell 26.4% and reported rapes decreased by 25.7%. Aggravated assaults decreased during that period when compared to last year by 12.5%, according to the data, while robberies fell 17.8%.

The numbers released Monday were gathered from 13,719 of the just over 19,000 law enforcement agencies from across the country, according to the bureau.

Meanwhile, property crime went down 15.1% in the first three months of this year. Burglaries dropped 16.7%, while motor vehicle theft decreased by 17.3%. The declines in violent and property crimes were seen in every region of the US.

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  1. by Indy! on June 11, 2024 2:01 pm

    Crime overall has been dropping for years - I've made this point many times. There was a small uptick in the wake of the Floyd murder and the subsequent protests, but overall it's way down over the last 30 or so years.

  2. by Curt_Anderson on June 11, 2024 3:44 pm
    Thanks for mentioning that, Indy! If you were to believe Donald Trump and MAGA-world, you would think that America is a hellish, crime-ridden dystopia.

  3. by Indy! on June 11, 2024 8:52 pm

    The country's police force could be cut in half just like the military. We don't need them.

  4. by oldedude on June 11, 2024 9:03 pm
    FBI Stats Show Plunge in Violent Crime, But There's a CatchBold

    I've brought this up several times. It's the tin foil hat for the leftists.

    "It's just a small portion of the issue," Lott said. "The reason why we have the National Crime Victimization Survey [an annual survey conducted by the DOJ] is because we know most crimes are not reported to police."
    According to the FBI statistics, murders decreased by 26.4%, rapes were down by 25.7%, robbery decreased by 17.8%, aggravated assault was down by 12.5%, and property crime was lower by 15% in the first quarter.

    But Lott said those statistics make up less than 45% of the violent crimes that are committed in the U.S. and only 32% of property crimes. Victims are not reporting incidents as often because they don't believe anyone will be punished, he said.

    Lott claimed that only 8% of total violent crimes in cities result in arrest, and the number is even smaller for property crimes. Newsweek was not able to immediately verify those claims.

    The underlying issues are multiple, Lott said. There are fewer experienced officers on the streets, fewer police reports are being made, crime victims are not going down to the station to fill out forms, and — perhaps most significantly — certain reporting standards have changed. For instance, if a felony assault was pleaded down to a misdemeanor in court, it would not be included in the FBI's data.

    Newsweek reached out to the FBI with questions about the statistics but did not immediately receive a response.

    "One thing that's happened over the last few years has been a collapse in the criminal justice system in this country," Lott said.

    Other crime analysts have also cast doubt on the FBI data, noting that it only covers 77% of the U.S. population and should be considered preliminary, given that state and local law enforcement agencies have months to report their data and correct any errors.
    msn.com

  5. by Indy! on June 12, 2024 12:21 am

    Some dude who owns a “crime prevention” company is not the guy you go to for an honest assessment. Crime stats are down according to every legitimate study and the criminal justice system has not collapsed. That’s just a bunch of scare tactics hoo-ha so this guy can make a buck.

  6. by Indy! on June 12, 2024 12:35 am

    BTW, even if this guy’s stats could actually be checked and verified (msn couldn’t verify them), it wouldn’t make any difference. I’m referring to this part…

    But Lott said those statistics make up less than 45% of the violent crimes that are committed in the U.S. and only 32% of property crimes. Victims are not reporting incidents as often because they don't believe anyone will be punished, he said.

    The fact (or allegation) that some types of crimes are not being reported doesn’t matter at all. Why? Because the FBI is comparing their new stats to their old stats. IOW, they are comparing their murder rate from last year to this year. That is a valid test for whether the crime rate went up or down. Same with rape stats and whatever other crimes were included in the survey. Were some violent crimes left out? Maybe. But if so - they were also left out the previous year too. So we are still getting an accurate picture of whether the crime rate went up or down (if not a comprehensive report on EVERY crime out there).

  7. by oldedude on June 12, 2024 5:16 am
    The fact (or allegation) that some types of crimes are not being reported doesn’t matter at all. Why? Because the FBI is comparing their new stats to their old stats. IOW, they are comparing their murder rate from last year to this year. That is a valid test for whether the crime rate went up or down. Same with rape stats and whatever other crimes were included in the survey. Were some violent crimes left out? Maybe. But if so - they were also left out the previous year too.

    The issue is that you're "ass"suming (making an ass out of yourself). The "qualifications" for each crime has not changed, which is the point. They have changed in some major cities. Felony assaults especially, have been down-graded to misdemeanors. That would skew the stats. Another one is larceny and theft. Again, in NYC, Chicago, CA, etc, what used to be felony theft is now a misdemeanor shoplifting charge. That skews the stats. Car jackings are another that's been changed. A violent felony most of the time is now changed to a misdemeanor.

  8. by Curt_Anderson on June 12, 2024 7:35 am
    Car jackings are another that's been changed. A violent felony most of the time is now changed to a misdemeanor. —OD

    Excuse me as I call BS. Show me one jurisdiction in America where carjacking is considered a misdemeanor. Maybe in some places carjacking is not specified as a stand-alone felony, but it would still be a prosecuted as a combined felony crime: auto theft, kidnapping, assault, etc.

  9. by oldedude on June 12, 2024 10:14 am
    CA, NYC, DC for three. I'll call your bullshit and raise you two.

  10. by Indy! on June 12, 2024 10:54 am

    Back it up with a source because - at the very minimum - car jacking is grand theft auto... a felony.

    And - excuse me - but I don't think you understand what I said. The "violent crimes" that were "left out" according to this guy (with a business agenda) have ALWAYS been left out. So whatever they were in the past cannot be judged (or compared) in the present. What CAN be compared is everything that was in the FBI's last report - apples to apples - and with that comparison (murder, rape, etc...) we KNOW that crime is decreasing.

    Now - to address the other part of your post (that you haven't provided info or source for) - if some crimes have been downgraded from a "violent crime" to a "misdemeanor" then that's the way they will be judged from now on and we have no recourse. But we know without any doubt they have NOT been "downgrading" crimes for the last 30 years - which is how long the crime rate has been steadily dropping.

  11. by Curt_Anderson on June 12, 2024 1:46 pm
    OD never will never back it with a source because it's BS. It's ridiculous to believe carjacking is misdemeanor anywhere. As I said above carjacking is combination of at least three serious felony crimes. In about a three seconds I found this:
    Carjacking is a Felony Offense in New York City
    Carjacking falls under the category of violent crimes in the state of New York. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the event – the suspect will be charged with a felony offense.

    Carjacking is defined as the criminal taking of a motor vehicle from its driver by force, violence or intimidation. The crime of carjacking was first introduced to Congress in the spring of 1992 by Representative Charles E. Schumer.
    hg.org

  12. by Indy! on June 12, 2024 3:18 pm

    So Schumer HAS done something of value in his time in CONgress.

    Kinda funny story... When I was driving for Domino's one of our drivers got carjacked - but the guy who did it had a sense of humor. He stuck his thumb out for a ride and our guy was dumb enough to pick him up and give him a ride downtown where he wanted to go (fairly far our of our delivery territory). It was only after they arrived that the dude pulled out a knife and took the guy's car. Apparently the dude drove it around for a couple days, trashed the interior with empty fast food bags, etc... and then left the car in a parking lot where the cops found it later.

  13. by oldedude on June 12, 2024 4:42 pm
    Let me rephrase this. Alvin Bragg made Carjacking (your Felony Offense in New York City) a "NO BOND" felony, ergo, he puts them on catch and release.


    New York City DA Alvin Bragg posted reports on his website showing he reduced 52% of all felony charges to misdemeanors.

    New York City’s district attorney downgraded 52% of all felony cases so far in 2022 to misdemeanors, compared to the 39% downgraded in 2019, according to data posted the DA’s website.

    In 2021, District Attorney Alvin Bragg ran on a campaign in favor of criminal justice reform, promising to uphold changes to the law that allows cash bail for violent crimes.

    Bragg won his campaign and took office on Jan. 1, and just days later, he released a "Day One" memo to staff directing them to downgrade certain felonies, including armed robberies of commercial businesses, and to no longer seek jail time for many serious offenses.

    New York Police Department Commissioner Keechant Sewell, at the time, wrote in a leaked email that Bragg’s policies could endanger the public and undermine justice for victims.

    The NYPD’s latest crime statistic reports show that overall crimes are up 27.6%, with 112,755 reported so far in 2022 compared to 88,394 reported during the same period in 2021.

    During the same period, there was a reported 13.2% increase in felony assaults, with a jump from 20,563 to 23,270 this year; rapes increased from 1,336 to 1,471; robberies from 12,033 to 15,639; and transit crimes from 1,316 to 1,865.

    Murders in the Big Apple are down from 432 to 372, and shootings are down from 1,688 to 1,438.

    Bragg, according to data on his website, and his department declined to prosecute 35% more felony cases than in 2019, factoring in the court system’s delays in prosecuting cases from 2020-22.

    Why Shoplifting Is Now De Facto Legal In California

    Crime is rising almost everywhere in California, including violent crime. Homicides in California jumped 31 percent last year, making 2020 the deadliest year since 2007. The 2,202 homicides in 2020 represent an increase of 523 over 2019. Homicides in Los Angeles rose 40 percent to 332, and they rose 35 percent to 285 in San Francisco. Both San Francisco and Los Angeles feature district attorneys who are perceived to be soft on crime, and both are facing the possibility of a recall election. Gives a whole new take on defunding police, doesn’t it?

    Why is shoplifting so rampant? Because state law holds that stealing merchandise worth $950 or less is just a misdemeanor, which means that law enforcement probably won’t bother to investigate, and if they do, prosecutors will let it go.

    Why won’t store employees do anything about this theft? Because they don’t want to take the risk. I doubt many would, knowing that a Rite Aid employee was murdered recently after trying to stop two thieves. Moreover, a confrontation within the store risks harming not only store staff but also customers, so employees are almost certainly instructed by their managers to do nothing.

    Because of this law, California is extending an open invitation to anyone to walk in and take. Just like that—since they know that police or prosecutors won’t bother with a misdemeanor complaint and that store personnel won’t stop them.

    It is not just pharmacies that are being ransacked. Recently, San Francisco’s Neiman Marcus was targeted by thieves who had a hankering for designer handbags and hit the purse department hard. The video shows one after another, after another, running out, as apparently there were 10 thieves, and they stole over the $950-per-thief misdemeanor limit.

    Here’s a List of Companies Fleeing San Francisco — and Why
    “San Francisco’s high cost of operating and theft makes it harder to even reach break-even as stores are getting ransacked by criminals and burglars on a daily basis,” DeMaio explains.

    The escalating levels of crime and drug use in San Francisco have forced various retail chains, including Target, Walgreens, and Nordstrom, to make the shocking decision to close many of their stores. The rampant criminal activity and pervasive drug issues have created an unsafe environment that not only endangers employees and customers but also hampers the profitability and sustainability of these businesses.

    Retail Stores that Closed in San Francisco:

    Saks off 5th
    Old Navy
    Anthropologie
    Amazon Go
    Whole Foods
    Office Depot
    Nordstrom
    H&M
    The RealReal
    CB2
    Banana Republic
    Athleta
    The Container Store
    Crate & Barrel
    Uniqlo
    Gap

    Companies Moving Out of San Francisco:

    Meta
    Twitter
    Snap
    PayPal
    Airbnb
    Slack
    Salesforce
    Block
    Autodesk
    Chime

    And to the already concerning statistics, one of San Francisco’s largest hotel, Hilton San Francisco occupies an entire city block and is now being abandoned, further highlighting the deteriorating state of the city’s commercial landscape.

    “Instead of fixing the problems, politicians are waving goodbye to businesses and continuing failed policies,” says Carl DeMaio.

    nypost.com
    foxnews.com
    hoover.org
    reformcalifornia.org

  14. by Indy! on June 13, 2024 11:38 am

    Lot of problems there. For one, NY and CA only represent 2 states - not 50 states. Again - as ALWAYS - you fall for anecdotal nonsense that does not apply.

    So far as shoplifting? The reason retail businesses do not stop shoplifting (at times) is because they don't have security watching the store (too expensive) and the kids they hire for minimum wage to run the store are too smart to care. One night on twitter there was an epic thread where all the young retail workers were talking about how they allow shoplifting because it's not worth it for them to try and stop it. They detailed how they purposely looked the other way when they saw someone sticking a blouse in their purse or something down their pants. One guy said he held the door for a guy with a shopping cart full of stuff to leave. The workers don't care and the store owners don't care because it's not COST EFFECTIVE to stop shoplifting. The ONLY reason your Hoover Institute cares is because they know it gets people like you upset and fuels your hatred of the poor.

  15. by HatetheSwamp on June 13, 2024 1:27 pm

    I just listened to The gay Guy Curt Never Heard of radio program. Paul Mauro and he splained perfectly how blue city DAs are either not charging, or down-charging, crimes and that crime is waaaaaaaaaay up in the real world.

  16. by Indy! on June 13, 2024 4:17 pm

    People lie all the time to suit their own purposes, peebs. The problem is the outlets who track crime are not political. They merely report the facts as they are - and crime is WAY down - the lowest it's been in decades.

  17. by oldedude on June 14, 2024 4:23 am
    And, anyone that actually looks at "how" the stats are taken, changes from year to year, and changes in reporting criteria are actually aware of the reality of the situation. Unlike the vast majority of recipients of the changed information. People "blinded" into thinking it's the same statistics use them one way (which is what the swamp wants them to do). Those aware of the changes are more tuned to the lie and will call them on it.

  18. by HatetheSwamp on June 14, 2024 6:23 am

    As the gay Guy Curt never heard of notes, the mirage that serious crime is declining is, substantially, a function of blue city DAs not charging crime in the way it has been charged in the past.

  19. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 12:52 pm

    Again... Turn off Fox, rejoin reality. That's your problem. Your "news" is tailored made propaganda created to make you vote the way you're going to vote this coming November - for Trump.

  20. by Curt_Anderson on June 14, 2024 1:10 pm
    Even if it were true that DA's are not charging crimes the way they have been in the past, that wouldn't change the crime statistics which are calculated by the FBI based on arrest rates.

    Take murder for example. Murder rates are down. No serious person believes that murder isn't considered a real crime now any less than it was before and has always been. If anything, modern forensics probably recognizes murder disguised as an accident or illness better than in the past. Murder rates are down, so or other crimes...that's a fact.
    cnn.com

  21. by HatetheSwamp on June 14, 2024 1:53 pm

    Curt,

    That's buffoonery. It's the prosecutor who charges the crime. How can the FBI report a murder if the charge is manslaughter?

    What crime would the FBI report if a suspect is detained but not charged with any crime?

    Try watching the 6:00 news. If you're honest, you'll know crime ain't down.

  22. by Curt_Anderson on June 14, 2024 2:02 pm
    The FBI in their explanation of methodology said that they use arrest reports. I presume by 6 o’clock news you’re referring to local news. That is anecdotal evidence at best. Local news channels are much more likely to cover murders and housefires then they are the goings on in the state capital. The motto of local news channels is “if it bleeds it leads”.

  23. by Curt_Anderson on June 14, 2024 2:19 pm
    HtS,
    In further response to your question, the FBI combines murder and manslaughter as one category of crime, essentially murder. It doesn't matter if the defendant bargains down to the lesser crime of manslaughter as far the FBI stats are concerned. Murder and non-negligent manslaughter are described by UCR as the willful (non-negligent) killing of one human being by another — or a death that results from the commission of an- other criminal act.

  24. by oldedude on June 14, 2024 2:33 pm
    When filling out the UCR, every jurisdiction has their own way of doing it.

    Also, most jurisdictions only put those charges they actually went to court with (which makes sense to me to a certain extent). So if I'm a gangster and the jurisdiction doesn't want to show the number of shootings for political purposes, they can plead out the gun charge and it won't show in the UCR. The homiecide will, along with other things that weren't plead out. In some cases, there are multiple charges of murder (and it's variants) without charging the gun, even though it may have been an assassination style murder.

  25. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 2:41 pm

    The generic local 6 o'clock "news" is not reporting the news - they are reporting the crime and accidents. The reason being that's the only thing stupid people are interested in. You should turn that off FIRST - and THEN turn of Fox. To believe you get an honest representation of the world thru your local news is the same as believing your children get an honest representation of the world when they read Mother Goose.

  26. by HatetheSwamp on June 14, 2024 2:44 pm

    In further response to your question, the FBI combines murder and manslaughter as one category of crime, essentially murder.

    If you say so. Suppose the prosecutor charges assault.

    Watch the freakin friggin 6:00 news. Even the "no charges were brought" part. Crime ain't declining.

  27. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 3:00 pm

    Ummm... yes it is. DRAMATICALLY. Safest time in American history to be a police officer too.


  28. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 3:02 pm

    The only thing that is going UP is people's PERCEPTION of crime. People like you and OD THINK crime is going up because you are watching "news" that has an agenda. Fox is pro-gun and anti-crime and they need to keep both in the spotlight to get paid.


  29. by oldedude on June 14, 2024 4:41 pm
    Yeah, it's truly a bitch when you have to fight facts and can't lie your way through it, princess. Of course, you still insist your non facts are true and think if you say it enough, people will believe it.

  30. by oldedude on June 14, 2024 4:46 pm
    Curt- using an "arrest report" has a lot of errors in it. Almost all cases (with the exception of FTAs, etc that don't get changed arrest records will be modified in either the investigation, or the pre-trial motions.

    I know it's a pipe-dream of the DOJ, but most agencies won't put that information in because of inaccuracies.

  31. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 5:02 pm

    I have this thing called "evidence" on my side, Old Dud. You have the same 2 things you always bring to the table in a debate with me... your laughably incomplete "education" and nothing else.

  32. by Curt_Anderson on June 14, 2024 5:07 pm
    OD,
    Yes, it's probably true that arrest records have errors. But that is the metric that the FBI uses and have used in the past. Any crime metric has its flaws, but if you are comparing flawed apples to flawed apples it's as good a way to measure crime statistics as any. The FBI might have used indictments or convictions but those numbers would be modified by plea bargain agreements, jury sympathy, etc.

  33. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 5:50 pm

    I'm sure there are vagaries in every study or poll. That's the nature of the business. Some of my thoughts on the totally unsupportable claim people are reporting crimes less. Okay...

    I can believe minor crimes are being reported LESS for a lot of reasons. For one thing, someone robs you of $100 on the street it's simply not worth your time to report it unless you got beat up in the process or you're dirt poor. Another thing? You don't want to end up like George Floyd.

    OTOH, things we label as "assaults" now - often passed as things like "just kids fighting" or "they already settled it" and everybody just went about their business. Nowadays if you pat someone on the back and say "good job" you might be risking an assault charge. I think they might be reported MORE these days.

    In the case of rape - I would bet MORE women (percentage-wise) are reporting rape these days than they were in the past. There was no "MeToo" 20-30 years ago. Guys like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey were getting away with rape AND assault back in the day.

  34. by Curt_Anderson on June 14, 2024 6:27 pm
    Indy,
    I agree that more things are considered crimes now, not fewer.

    The one thing that I agree with OD and HtS is that people perceive there is more crime and are more concerned about crime. Accepting that as true, it doesn't make sense then that people would nonchalantly accept being a victim of crime and not report it.

  35. by Indy! on June 14, 2024 7:58 pm

    We know advertising works - otherwise multi-billion dollar companies wouldn't be using it. Just as showing a few minutes of a commercial can lead to more car sales, so can more crime stories in the "news" lead people to believe crime is up when it's really down. That's what's happening here - we don't have more crime, we have more exposure to crime thru media and media is more crime oriented. We also have access to more violent crimes if we're so inclined thru social media like Twitter that we never had in the past. Another thing - movies. Here's something to try - look thru the general movie listing on Netflix or any other movie service. Check out how many of the movie posters feature guns - it's off the charts.

  36. by oldedude on June 14, 2024 10:39 pm
    In the case of rape - I would bet MORE women (percentage-wise) are reporting rape these days than they were in the past. There was no "MeToo" 20-30 years ago. Guys like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey were getting away with rape AND assault back in the day.

    So I took a look at some statistics (read fact) that you rarely, if at all supply. It's always innuendo or your "guess."
    These are actually very recent numbers (updated 20 May, 2023).
    I was very interested that ~19% of rapes were reported (obviously that's a guess). I thought it would be much lower than that, but that's what the report says.

    32 Shocking Sexual Assault Statistics for 2023
    At present, sexual assaults are the most prevalent crimes in the US, yet also the most underreported.

    Over the last two decades, much work has been dedicated to change the landscape of sexual assault and to empower victims of this type of crime.

    Alarming Sexual Violence Statistics (Editor’s Choice)
    One of the most shocking facts about sexual assault is that approximately only 5% of sexual assault reports filed have been proven false.
    82% of all juvenile sexual assault victims are female.
    90% of adult rape victims are female.
    41% of sexual assaults against Native Indians are committed by a stranger.
    Adolescents aged 14‐17 were by far the most likely to be sexually victimized; nearly one in six (16.3%) was sexually victimized in the past year.

    Rape Statistics show that less than 20% of rapes are reported.
    It is estimated that only 19% of rapes, completed or attempted, are reported annually. This figure runs consistently across the board. The general consensus is that rape is still considered something shameful, hence victim reluctance.

    I did notice something that both curt and indy did not bring up. That is their affinity: Sex trafficking. I think if we're honest, we need to bring that up in a discussion about rape. This is an article that I'm going to provide select bulletpoints on. The rest is there if you want to check it out.

    20 staggering facts about human trafficking in the US

    Human trafficking, or modern day slavery, is murky territory.
    It wasn't made illegal in the US until 2000.
    Today, hundreds of thousands of human trafficking victims are thought to be working in exploitative conditions in the US.

    The United States, along with Mexico and the Philippines, was ranked one of the world's worst places for human trafficking in 2018. In the US, there is no official number of human trafficking victims, but estimates place it in the hundreds of thousands.

    It is estimated that between 18,000 and 20,000 victims are trafficked into the United States every year.

    Children raised in foster care have a greater chance of becoming victims. In 2013, 60% of child victims the FBI recovered were from foster care. In 2017, 14% of children reported missing were likely victims of sex trafficking, and 88% of those had been in child welfare, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reported.

    The Mexican state of Tlaxcala has been identified as the biggest source of sex slaves to the US. In 2015, five out of 10 of Homeland Security's "most wanted" sex traffickers were from Tenancingo, in Tlaxcala. There were estimates that one in 10 people from Tenancingo were involved in trafficking.

    Native American women are at particular risk. In 2016, a reported 506 Native American women disappeared or were killed in American cities. In Phoenix, another of the top trafficking jurisdictions in the US, it was estimated that 40% of sex trafficking victims in 2015 were Native American.
    Italics
    legaljobs.io
    businessinsider.com

  37. by HatetheSwamp on June 15, 2024 4:19 am

    How bout them apples, Curt?

    Newsom says Oakland crime down 33%, 97% of car break-ins not included in report

    As California Governor Newsom celebrated a 33% decline in reported crime in Oakland, a NBC Bay Area investigation found 97% of Oakland car-break ins were reported but not included in the department’s crime statistics, suggesting crime may be “down” due to data discrepancies, not real decreases.

    ...earlier, In-N-Out announced it would be closing its profitable Oakland location — its first permanent store closure — due to unrelenting crime against employees and customers.

    This splains the whole myth of crime busting under the Doddering Old Fool regime. Baha.

    mtdemocrat.com

  38. by Curt_Anderson on June 15, 2024 8:47 am
    HtS,
    Use your noodle, Lol! 97% of car break-ins are not statistically reported?! How can there be reliable stats on crimes NOT statistically reported? You don’t even trust the reports of crimes that were reported

  39. by HatetheSwamp on June 15, 2024 10:16 am

    Use your bean, you Good German, you.

    ...a NBC Bay Area investigation found 97% of Oakland car-break ins were reported but not included in the department’s crime statistics...

    Standard white, woke, as po'd say, prevarication. Well, po'd probably say EFFINprevarication, baha.

    This'ne's easy. Insurance companies are involved.

    Face it. Crime ain't down. Only brainless worshipers of the demented old fool deny it.

  40. by HatetheSwamp on June 15, 2024 10:18 am

    And, Curt. America knows:

    realclearpolling.com

  41. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 10:41 am

    Peebs proves the perception angle shown in my chart without even knowing. That's all a poll is, pb - the public's PERCEPTION of crime - not actual crime.

    OD's novella proves what I've known all along - he has no idea why pollsters and others use percentages instead of actual numbers. Because percentages give people the wrong impression...

    Let's say we had ONE crime in OD's neighborhood in 2022 and...

    ...in 2023 there were two crimes (two cars broken into for instance).

    We can classify that as "2 crimes - very low crime area"

    Or we can go with numbers that fool the ignorant - 1 crime in 2022, 2 crimes in 2023 means...

    CRIME HAS INCREASED 100% IN OD'S NEIGHBORHOOD!!! GET THE GUNS, OD!!!!!"

  42. by HatetheSwamp on June 15, 2024 11:14 am

    Peebs proves the perception angle shown in my chart without even knowing. That's all a poll is, pb - the public's PERCEPTION of crime - not actual crime.

    But, Indy, we live in a democracy, aint!!!!!? Popular perception is all.

  43. by Curt_Anderson on June 15, 2024 12:55 pm
    HtS,
    Nothing in your link or the links from your link mention insurance company statistics being involved. That's just your guess. If you look at insurance company instructions on filing a claim, the FIRST think you are expected to do is file a report the police.

    So where did the mysterious 97% come from? I am just theorizing but it might be that unlocked cars had items stolen, but are not classified as "break-ins" since no breaking was involved to enter the car.

    Anyway, in the scheme of things, auto break-ins and theft from a parked car is lower level felony, and certainly not a violent crime. If these crimes often go unreported now, I suspect that they have always been underreported at similar rate.
    statefarm.com

  44. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 1:30 pm

    Breaking into cars falls into that "not worth it" category I discussed before. You leave the car for a couple minutes, someone steals whatever junk you had in the glove box and the change out of the change bin. You're going to waste precious life time dealing with the cops? Or are you just going to buy a new flashlight and box of kleenex the next time you're at the store?

  45. by oldedude on June 15, 2024 2:02 pm
    First, most of the automotive break-ins are felonies. That's because they leave the electrical system in your car trashed and many times your car has to be completely rewired.

  46. by Indy! on June 15, 2024 4:02 pm

    Source it or it didn't happen.

  47. by oldedude on June 16, 2024 5:57 am
    Funny, that's what I continually tell you and it never works.

  48. by Indy! on June 16, 2024 10:19 am

    Outside of Fox and the Hoover Institute - you got nothing, OD. IOW - you got nothing. Science is the truth - it cannot be shaded with opinion or political slanting like those two organizations (and everything pb posts) work. Those aren't facts - that's propaganda.

  49. by HatetheSwamp on June 16, 2024 10:54 am

    Science is the truth - it cannot be shaded with opinion

    Holy freakin friggin cow, man. You're sounding exactly like isle!!!!! Scary.

    Insane.

  50. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 11:08 am

    Opinions are like asshole, peebs. So when you pretend like that's the final solution - you just expose your ignorance.

  51. by HatetheSwamp on June 17, 2024 11:15 am

    Adding in the ballot harvesting and ballot curing and the diddling with mail-in ballots, opinion put the "dithering and diminished" Doddering Old Fool in the Oval Office.

  52. by Indy! on June 17, 2024 2:00 pm

    And people no longer report crimes like rape and murder - don't forget that whopper on your way out. 😂

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