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Who here accepts Hamas as the legitimate and rightfully elected government of Gaza?
By Curt_Anderson
October 27, 2023 12:49 pm
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Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud Party are the legitimate and rightfully elected government of Israel. Nobody seriously disputes that.

Hamas is either the legitimate government of Gaza or they are essentially a criminal terrorist gang holding the Gazan civilian population hostage.

If Hamas is the former, then we should hold Hamas and the Israeli government to the same standards. If they are the latter, them we should hold Israel to a higher standard.

In the the 1930's and 1940's Germany attacked its neighbor. The world rightfully condemned the German government for that. The Allied Powers responded militarily---appropriately so. In essence we deemed all Germans culpable for the Nazis action.

If criminals of a particular national origin were killing and kidnapping people in a neighboring country, it would not be appropriate to attack the people of that particular country. We wouldn't consider those civilians any more guilty than we would the state of Maine for the actions of crazed gunman.

A legitimately recognized government can officially surrender as the Germans and the Japanese did at the end of World War II. Do Gazans support Hamas in the way the German and Japanese supported their governments? Does Hamas speak for the majority of Gazans?

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  1. by oldedude on October 27, 2023 1:33 pm
    Curt- Good lead post for a good thread. I think I'm going to take one paragraph at a time. Your questions are good enough I think they each demand consideration.

    If Hamas is the former, then we should hold Hamas and the Israeli government to the same standards. If they are the latter, them we should hold Israel to a higher standard.
    I have said my peace about Hamas. They do NOT follow the rules of a Privileged Combatant. They do however qualify for Unprivileged combatants. That does some things to your equation.

    Privileged combatants
    The following categories of combatants qualify for prisoner-of-war status on capture:

    Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
    Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that they fulfill the following conditions:
    1. that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
    2. that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
    3. that of carrying arms openly;
    4. that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
    Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

    Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war; often dubbed a levée after the mass conscription during the French Revolution.

    For countries which have signed the "Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts" (Protocol I), combatants who do not wear a distinguishing mark still qualify as prisoners of war if they carry arms openly during military engagements, and while visible to the enemy when they are deploying to conduct an attack against them.

    Unprivileged combatants
    There are several types of combatants who do not qualify as privileged combatants:

    Combatants who would otherwise be privileged but have breached the laws and customs of war (e.g., feigning surrender or injury or killing enemy combatants who have surrendered). The loss of privileges in that case only occurs upon conviction, i.e. after a competent court has determined the unlawfulness of the conduct in a fair trial.

    Combatants who are captured without the minimum requirements for distinguishing themselves from the civilian population, i.e. carrying arms openly during military engagements and the deployment immediately preceding it, lose their right to prisoner of war status without trial under Article 44 (3) of Additional Protocol I.

    Spies, i.e. persons who collect information clandestinely in the territory of the opposing belligerent. Members of the armed forces conducting reconnaissance or special operations behind enemy lines are not considered spies as long as they wear their uniform.

    Mercenaries,[5] child soldiers, and civilians who take a direct part in combat and do not fall into one of the categories listed in the previous section.[6][7]

    Most unprivileged combatants who do not qualify for protection under the Third Geneva Convention do so under the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV),[8] which concerns civilians, until they have had a "fair and regular trial". If found guilty at a regular trial, they can be punished under the civilian laws of the detaining power.



  2. by Ponderer on October 27, 2023 1:37 pm

    "Does Hamas speak for the majority of Gazans" -Curt

    I doubt that it's been the case for quite awhile, Curt. If it ever was. As far as a ludicrously horrific excuse for a political body, they are far worse than the current MAGA Republican party to be sure.


  3. by oldedude on October 27, 2023 1:50 pm
    Second question.

    In the the 1930's and 1940's Germany attacked its neighbor. The world rightfully condemned the German government for that. The Allied Powers responded militarily---appropriately so. In essence we deemed all Germans culpable for the Nazis action.
    In 1949, the Geneva convention was modified to include differences between civilians and participants. So to hold this the same is errored. And there a huge loopholes in the rules.

    You can't target a place of worship, a school, or hospital. That is; until it is being used by the enemy for a military purpose. You can't shoot at the mosque unless a sniper uses the minaret to shoot from. Once he does, he and the mosque are fair game. Word came out today the "hospital" that had a missile blow up next to it is a central headquarters for the tunnel system. (quite possibly they were loading the missile and they had an accident). Now, Gazanias are getting in to the hospital. It could be they are told this is a good shelter. Thereby it's also using human shields.


  4. by oldedude on October 27, 2023 2:10 pm
    Third paragraph-

    If criminals of a particular national origin were killing and kidnapping people in a neighboring country, it would not be appropriate to attack the people of that particular country. We wouldn't consider those civilians any more guilty than we would the state of Maine for the actions of crazed gunman.

    Criminal gangs are not usually acting as part of a government though. Hamas, PLO, PFLP, etcetcetc, are all playing this game. They're a military until they're not. They're not a military until they are. Since it's an "irregular military" You're going to have to assume that some people will pick up arms and become combatants. AND Geneva convention says you can't target civilians. And there's loopholes. Do I think Mexicans want us dead? No. Do I think those living in Gaza want us dead? Yes. They're taught this in their schools. They're indoctrinated from the time they go to school to hate Israelis and Americans. Not just the governments, but the people.



  5. by oldedude on October 27, 2023 2:12 pm
    Final-

    A legitimately recognized government can officially surrender as the Germans and the Japanese did at the end of World War II. Do Gazans support Hamas in the way the German and Japanese supported their governments? Does Hamas speak for the majority of Gazans?

    The "government" of Gaza or any of the taken lands are not going to surrender. They will fight until nuclear war closes this chapter of the earth and everyone in it. That's just what they believe.


  6. by oldedude on October 27, 2023 2:15 pm
    po- I doubt that it's been the case for quite awhile, Curt. If it ever was. As far as a ludicrously horrific excuse for a political body, they are far worse than the current MAGA Republican party to be sure.

    They elected them twice. So there's that.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on October 27, 2023 2:49 pm
    OD,
    Thanks for your input on this. Good citations.

    Ponderer,
    I am not so sure Hamas isn't popular. See link. If they weren't all that popular before, since Israel has been bombing Gaza, Hamas has probably become more popular.
    thehill.com


  8. by Ponderer on October 28, 2023 6:51 am

    "In 1949, the Geneva convention was modified to include differences between civilians and participants. So to hold this the same is errored. And there a huge loopholes in the rules.

    You can't target a place of worship, a school, or hospital. That is; until it is being used by the enemy for a military purpose. You can't shoot at the mosque unless a sniper uses the minaret to shoot from. Once he does, he and the mosque are fair game."
    -olde dude


    So if innocent civilians are being used as human shields by enemy combatants in said strucctures, you are asserting that it is acceptable under the Geneva Convention to kill all the innocent civilians in any such facility to ensure that the enemy combatants are taken out. I see. I get it. So does Israel apparently.

    So I shouldn't be complaining. Because there's nothing really wrong with Israel blowing up hospitals full of hundreds of injured and dying innocent civilians who got that way from other Israeli attacks and find it impossible to leave... because Israel says there is a tunnel entrance under or near it that HAMAS used. I see. HAMAS terrorists may have stopped using that entrance several days earlier and were nowhere near it, but those innocent civilians are still technically and by all statutes of the Geneva Convention designated to be legally and justifiable classified as dead meat.

    There are over three hundred miles of tunnels estimated to be running through the underground of Gaza like fungal mycelium. There's got to be dozens... hundreds of entrances everywhere. And of course every single Gazan knows the location of every last one of them so that they can make sure to stay away from them. I see. Entire city blocks are being blown to smithereens, but it's cool because there must have been entrances under every single one of those buildings I suppose. And fuckwhatever innocent civilians who have been stuck in the apartments above them with no means of escape. I see. If there is a HAMAS entrance to a tunnel under a hospital, then they should have moved that hospital I suppose.


    olde dude, you may believe that the Geneva Convention condones Israel's killing of thousands of innocent children and other civilians under certain circumstances. But that still doesn't make it right. That doesn't mean that it isn't heinously murderous slaughter on Israel's part.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on October 28, 2023 7:13 am

    So I shouldn't be complaining. Because there's nothing really wrong with Israel blowing up hospitals full of hundreds of injured and dying innocent civilians...


    pb thinks that we all should be appalled.

    But, po, when has that happened!!!!!?


  10. by Donna on October 28, 2023 7:34 am

    Similar logic was used to justify the genocide of American Indians.


  11. by Donna on October 28, 2023 8:22 am

    Wikipedia has an excellent write-up on the 2006 Palestinian election that Hamas won. It's all sourced. From that:

    In April 2008 Vanity Fair published "The Gaza Bombshell":

    There is no one more hated among Hamas members than Muhammad Dahlan, long Fatah's resident strongman in Gaza. Dahlan, who most recently served as Abbas's national-security adviser, has spent more than a decade battling Hamas. ... Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly praised Dahlan as "a good, solid leader." In private, say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S. president described him as "our guy."

    Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America's behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power. (The State Department declined to comment.)

    Some sources call the scheme "Iran-contra 2.0," recalling that Abrams was convicted (and later pardoned) for withholding information from Congress during the original Iran-contra scandal under President Reagan. There are echoes of other past misadventures as well: the C.I.A.'s 1953 ouster of an elected prime minister in Iran, which set the stage for the 1979 Islamic revolution there; the aborted 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion, which gave Fidel Castro an excuse to solidify his hold on Cuba; and the contemporary tragedy in Iraq.[59]

    The Jerusalem Post confirmed that the documents cited by Vanity Fair "have been corroborated by sources at the US State Department and Palestinian officials", and added:

    The report said that instead of driving its enemies out of power, the US-backed Fatah fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to seize total control of the Gaza Strip in June 2007. David Wurmser, who resigned as Vice President Dick Cheney's chief Middle East adviser a month after the Hamas takeover, said he believed that Hamas had no intention of taking over the Gaza Strip until Fatah forced its hand. "It looks to me that what happened wasn't so much a coup by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was preempted before it could happen," he was quoted as saying. Wurmser said that the Bush administration engaged in a "dirty war in an effort to provide a corrupt dictatorship [led by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas] with victory." Wurmser said he was especially galled by the Bush administration's hypocrisy. "There is a stunning disconnect between the president's call for Middle East democracy and this policy," he said. "It directly contradicts it.".[60]






  12. by Donna on October 28, 2023 8:24 am

    Link for my last post below.

    en.m.wikipedia.org


  13. by Curt_Anderson on October 28, 2023 12:15 pm
    HtS,
    I noticed you didn’t answer my thread title question. Do you have an opinion on that?


  14. by Donna on October 28, 2023 2:39 pm

    According to what I've read, Hamas rightfully won in the equivalent of our Congressional elections in 2006, but Hamas very unrightfully took over all of Gaza by force in 2007 and there hasn't been another election since.

    IOW Hamas accomplished what House Republicans accomplished in 2022 and what many of those same MAGAs attempted to accomplish almost 2 years before on Jan 6, 2021 and will likely try again to accomplish next year regardless of whether or not they actually win the presidency or retain control of the House.



  15. by Donna on October 28, 2023 2:45 pm

    And according to my last info post, the bungling GWB admin inadvertently provoked that outcome.



  16. by oldedude on October 28, 2023 6:30 pm
    Donna. Different form of government.
    they're elections are for their single(?) house of representatives. Those representatives elect the Prime Minister, or the ruling person/party of the country. It's called a Parliamentary system. Not one I really like, but there's a bunch all over the world.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on October 29, 2023 6:29 am

    Curt,

    Of course I have an opinion...but, I'm not ashamed to note that it's a not well informed opinion, hence my silence.

    Hamas, as I understand it, is something akin to a political party or faction within the Palestinian National Authority.

    The Palestinian National Authority is dysfunctional at best...a real-world myth in actuality.

    And, who controls Gaza is, as I understand it, disputed.


  18. by Ponderer on October 29, 2023 6:50 am

    "pb thinks that we all should be appalled.

    But, po, when has that happened!!!!!?"
    -Hate


    see links
    search.yahoo.com
    search.yahoo.com


  19. by Ponderer on October 29, 2023 6:53 am

    Forgive me, Bill. I forgot to mention to tell you to gofuckyourself.


  20. by HatetheSwamp on October 29, 2023 10:38 am

    It goes without saying that before I hit post in a comment to you, I do.


  21. by Donna on November 14, 2023 8:00 am

    From today's NY Times:

    "If there was doubt about the sentiment among Palestinians in Gaza regarding Hamas’s rule, a survey completed in Gaza the day before the Oct. 7 assault on Israel gave a useful glimpse into how unpopular the group is. The overwhelming majority of the respondents in Gaza said they had no or very little trust in Hamas, and a plurality blamed the Hamas-led government for shortages of food, rather than external factors like the Israeli and Egyptian blockade. Just 27 percent said that Hamas was their preferred political party. Hamas last won an election in 2006; it has not held another.

    Hamas calls for the destruction of the state of Israel, but the poll found that 54 percent of people in Gaza supported the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as outlined by the Oslo Accords, and nearly three-quarters said they supported a peaceful resolution to the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict."


  22. by oldedude on November 14, 2023 3:49 pm
    Again, regardless of what we "think," because no one gives a shit. The UN accepts and regards it as a country. To want this or not is immaterial to anyone.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on November 14, 2023 5:02 pm
    Donna,
    Below are links to the NY Times article you mentioned and the poll the Times cited.

    Our most recent interviews were carried out between September 28 and October 8, surveying 790 respondents in the West Bank and 399 in Gaza. (Interviews in Gaza were completed on October 6.) The survey’s findings reveal that Gazans had very little confidence in their Hamas-led government. Asked to identify the amount of trust they had in the Hamas authorities, a plurality of respondents (44 percent) said they had no trust at all; “not a lot of trust” was the second most common response, at 23 percent. Only 29 percent of Gazans expressed either “a great deal” or “quite a lot” of trust in their government. Furthermore, 72 percent said there was a large (34 percent) or medium (38 percent) amount of corruption in government institutions, and a minority thought the government was taking meaningful steps to address the problem.

    nytimes.com
    foreignaffairs.com


  24. by oldedude on November 14, 2023 7:16 pm
    Again, regardless of what we "think," because no one gives a shit. The UN accepts and regards it as a country and Hamas was welcomed by the UN as their government. To want this or not is immaterial to anyone. Did the people in this area want them? Dunno. I know this is a battle of the media as much as anything going on in the streets/ wasteland.

    The fact is the Israelis had a right to carpet bomb the Gaza if they wanted to in the first days after this began. I'm sorry any Gazarians were injured or killed. In EVERY strike, Israel hit a military target. If anyone is at fault, it's Hamas. THEIR GOVERNMENT. Period. End of story. A couple of days ago, IDF received incoming from the hospital that is "supposed to be a neutral zone" except if cowards hide behind the future corpses of their own citizens. You're failing to understand that. It doesn't make any difference to you(royal, plural) if they do that.

    Another thing. Prove to me those are civilians. It's a terrorist war. Terrorists don't wear uniforms, have a standard, or a recognized rank structure. The longer you side with Hamas (moral support is support, as is hating Israel). So they found their little germans, and their hope of some useful idiot would use them in a blog to support them. And here you are.


  25. by Donna on November 15, 2023 8:33 am

    Despite your unbridled insistence to the contrary, no one on this forum supports Hamas.



  26. by oldedude on November 15, 2023 9:11 am
    No one on this forum supports trumpster either. Your anti-sematic/ anti Israeli rants do support Hamas though. Hamas, AQ (inclusive), and all the other Radical Islamic groups are counting on your support through the hatred of Isreal to use as propaganda. Again, they're waiting for the useful tool to help overthrow Israelis and commit genocide...

    And here you are.


  27. by Curt_Anderson on November 15, 2023 9:20 am
    OD,
    If you equate criticism of Israel with support for Hamas, then, certainly your criticism of Joe Biden is support for Donald Trump. Of course, the differences with those of us who criticize Israel is that we never have, and never will vote for Hamas. Nor will we ever make a donation or political contribution to Hamas.


  28. by oldedude on November 15, 2023 9:31 am
    Donna. What a cease-fire would do is to allow Hamas to strengthen their tunnel system and send more rockets into Israel. They will not allow their people to leave. They've already left that very clear. This war for Hamas is being fought out of Qatar, not Gaza, and certainly not out of a war room within missile range that anyone wants to shell. It's out of an apartment owned by a filthy rich guy with and apartment overlooking Doha and the gulf.

    I just wanted to clarify (without additional remarks) why the Israelis (et. al.) aren't stopping in place. If they stop, the second battle will be far more blood thirsty than the first and far more mercenaries against Israel. They're already seeing this in some of the IDF missions. Again, Hamas doesn't care how many civilians are killed. They'd prefer it to be in the millions.

    Their plan is for genocide. Period. Every Israeli man, woman, and child, every Jew. Then every person that isn't a twelver, then the LGBTQ+ community, then every Christian. It generally isn't the "normal" person on the street that believes in this to your and curt's point. It's several countries that wants this and will get it. Or they'll destroy the earth in the process. Either way, they're fine. They believe they will go to heaven.


  29. by oldedude on November 15, 2023 9:40 am
    If you equate criticism of Israel with support for Hamas, then, certainly your criticism of Joe Biden is support for Donald Trump. Of course, the differences with those of us who criticize Israel is that we never have, and never will vote for Hamas.

    First, I'm saying that is the fact of how terrorism and guerilla warfare (and modern civil wars) see it. How it affects you, no one cares. They use is for propaganda. They're not up for election. They want people to be against their enemy. (remember the enemy of my enemy is my friend? and the Enemy of my friend is my enemy).

    What you think in the background is totally immaterial. They see the protests. They will make donna's and po's argument into a very proHamas propaganda piece regardless.

    Nor will we ever make a donation or political contribution to Hamas.
    You give them political leverage. That's what they want and need right now.

    They already have billions of USD & gold (some of which is thanks to pedojoe and obomber). That was a huge win for them. Giving Iran that money legitimized them and their causes.


  30. by Donna on November 15, 2023 10:27 am

    Propagandists are going to propagandize.

    You've told us many times that you aren't a Trump fan. But using your argument, people who truly agree with and support Trump wholeheartedly will likewise use your hatred of "pedojoe" and "the dims" to elevate Trump.

    Myself? I don't think that any of us should squelch our opinions in fear of how propagandists might use them.




  31. by oldedude on November 16, 2023 5:47 am
    And that's the difference. I actually know and understand the situation. I know these assholes make you a useful idiot (and just another one of them). And, since you can't read, I'm not supporting trump per se. I may support a legal aspect of what's going on, but that's different. I've also supported pedojoe the same way. You don't have that ability.


  32. by oldedude on November 16, 2023 5:59 am
    Hamas is either the legitimate government of Gaza or they are essentially a criminal terrorist gang holding the Gazan civilian population hostage.

    Again, the prison of two ideas that sheep can't get out of. It's either black. Or white. I would think that you, as an "artist" might understand there's more than one way to paint a picture.

    The truth is; they are both. As seen by the UN, they are a government. And they did slash infant's throats in front of their mothers. Rape and murder innocent civilians and choose their victims BECAUSE they were Israelis or Jewish. It was an attack specifically on the civilian population to terrorize them.

    Brief timeline
    1984 Arrest of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, sentenced to 12 years of prison after the discovery of an arms cache. Yassin is freed the next year.
    1987 Creation of Hamas by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.
    1987–1993 First Intifada.
    1988 Hamas Covenant.
    1989 Israel outlaws Hamas and imprisons Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.
    1991 Gulf War.
    1992 Creation of the military branch Izz ad-Din al-Qassam.
    1993 Oslo Accords.
    April 1993. First Hamas suicide bombing at Mehola Junction.
    1996 Palestinian legislative and presidential election. Hamas boycotts them, allowing Fatah, led by Yasser Arafat, a large victory.
    January 5, 1996. Targeted killing of Yahya Ayyash, Hamas bomb maker.
    February–March 1996. 47 Israelis killed in three different bombings.
    October 1997. Freed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for "humanitarian reasons" (actually, due to the botched killing attempt on Khaled Mashal, on September 25, 1997, by the Mossad in Jordan, a deal was brokered by Bill Clinton between Israel and Jordan) Sheikh Yassin is acclaimed as a hero on his return to Gaza.
    March 1998 – Death of Mohiyedine Sharif, master bombmaker
    September 2000. Beginning of Al-Aqsa Intifada.
    July 2002. Killing of Salah Shahade, leader of the Ezzedeen-al-qassam brigades.
    March 8, 2003, Israel kills Ibrahim al-Makadmeh, a leader of the Hamas's military wing. 3 other men are also killed[144]
    January 6, 2004. 10-year truce (hudna) offered by senior Hamas official Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi in exchange of Israel's complete withdrawal to the 1967 borders.
    March 22, 2004, killing of Sheikh Yassin. Yassin, then an old man restricted to a wheel-chair due to his lifelong paralysis was killed in an Israeli missile strike. Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi replaced him as the leader of Hamas. On March 28, Rantissi stated in a speech given at The Islamic University in Gaza that "America declared war against God. Sharon declared war against God, and God declared war against America, Bush and Sharon".[145]
    April 17, 2004, killing of Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi. Rantissi was also killed in an air strike by the Israeli Air Force, five hours after a fatal suicide bombing by Hamas. Khaled Mashal, the leader of Hamas in Syria, said Hamas should not disclose the name of its next leader in Gaza.
    April 18, 2004, Hamas secretly selected a new leader in the Gaza Strip, fearing he would be killed if his identity were made public. However, it was speculated that the new leader is Mahmoud al-Zahar; the second-in-command, Ismail Haniya; and third-in-command, Said Seyam.[146]
    September 2004. Israeli army Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon said that Israel would "deal with [...] those who support terrorism", including those in "terror command posts in Damascus".
    September 26, 2004. Killing of Izz El-Deen Sheikh Khalil. Sheikh Khalil was killed by a car bomb in Damascus, Syria. Khalil was described variously as "mid-level", "senior", a "distinguished member", and believed to be in charge of the group's military wing outside the Palestinian territories. Although the Israeli government offered no official confirmation, anonymous Israeli officials acknowledged responsibility for the attack.[citation needed] In a statement released in Gaza, Hamas threatened to target Israelis abroad in retaliation.
    October 2004. Killing of Adnan al-Ghoul, assistant of Mohammed Deif, the leader of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam brigades.
    November 11, 2004. Death of Yasser Arafat, chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and president of the Palestinian National Authority.
    January 2005 Palestinian presidential election. Hamas boycotts them. PLO chairman Mahmoud Abbas elected to replace Yasser Arafat.
    Palestinian municipal elections, January–May 2005. Relative success of Hamas, which took control of Beit Lahia in northern Gaza, Qalqilyah in the West Bank and Rafah.
    March 2005. Hamas proclaims tahdiyah, a period of calm.
    January 25, 2006. Victory of the Hamas at the legislative election, which took 74 seats of the 132 seats.
    March 2007, the Palestinian Legislative Council established a national unity government headed by Ismail Haniya.
    June 2007. Hamas begins a takeover of Gaza, ending the coalition with Fatah.
    en.wikipedia.org


  33. by Donna on November 16, 2023 7:16 am

    You're the only one here who's impressed with your so-called knowledge. You're a legend in your own mind. I will say, though, that you're very adept at cutting & pasting.






  34. by oldedude on November 16, 2023 8:40 am
    My cut and paste is far better than your bullshit "answers" and show your arguments are also bullshit and they hold no credence mean ZERO except in your own shallow, meaningless life.


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