by oldedude on September 8, 2024 1:40 pm
Lead- That's why I was wondering. They're about as accurate as "indy" with "facts." And that shifts things from the 90K down to 40K. Whenever I hear the numbers, I just figure the numbers and indy's facts are just beer math. 5 people X 4 beers= 1- 32gal keg, 3 cases of beer and a case of bourbon.
SCOPE NOTE: I really can't say anything new in this. There are some timeline differences I've seen. I've just gotten tired of repeating myself over and over. Yes, there are civilian deaths. Is it more than a 1:1 ration everyone wants? yes. Will it ever equal? No, because of the asynchronous nature of the war and the fact the local government has nothing in their covenant about taking care of the citizens of the country, only about the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people. My view is Israelis care more about the people of Gaza than their own government. And it's obvious the government wants to start a genocide against Israel, then globally so the rest of the Jews in the world are killed.
Like I've said before, the first 45 days (it took about 10-15 days to get the IDF together), and then to retake Gaza cities and the tunnels. You can expect a higher numbers of civilian deaths. So my bet is that if you look, there was a lull for that 10-15 days, then a spike and a slower decrease (taking a month or more).
And with that, the ferocious fighting on both sides are part of that. Civilians are protecting themselves from what they've been told what the IDF will do.
The IDF is pissed off at what happened by Hamas and are also scared that Hamas are using all the tricks they've been told.
I'm not saying that's acceptable, I'm saying that's just a fact in the fighting. I will say this again. I am shocked we didn't find piles of assassinated Palestinians in the streets that had been shot against the walls ala Gestapo style.
Scared is one thing. Wanton murder is another. They did have spots of some open killing, which the Israelis immediately halted and brought them back for military trial.
Bombing. What I've mainly been tracking are the drone strikes from the IDF, and the Drones, Missiles, and Rockets from Hamas and the north. The terrorists have been using many more rockets. That makes sense because of the cost, and the fact it's what Iran gives them to clear their depots. The problem is there is no capability to adjust where the missiles go after they're launched. Ergo, the soccer field where the kids were killed in Israel.
2,000lb bombs. Yes, there's a reason for them. And the Israelis need to use them with everyone clear in the towns where they're going to drop them. I don't think that will happen. They're being used for the tunnels. Hamas has said they're 100% "military." I doubt that, but they said it so it's on them. These are another decision Israel made to make the tunnels into rubble. The only option I can see is to start at "one end" (if you can get to it), and with a lot of people, drive the rats out. Will it be successful? No. Will it cost a lot of human lives? yes. Is the IDF willing to send their troops on suicide missions? no. They have a larger war to fight soon. They need every IDF member possible. And they know it.
po. Yes, this is asynchronous warfare. One side has a technological and logistical advantage (Israel). The flip side is the other side has the ability to quickly shift and plan small scale operations that take a lot of manpower from the enemy. Nothing is "unfair" about this. Ask the Afghans.
by Ponderer on September 8, 2024 1:50 pm
Well thanks, od. That at least explains why the Palestinian people of Gaza are to be considered entirely expendable by the forces of Israel. And why we are supposed to keep giving Israel huge bombs andshit to kill them with.
by Indy! on September 8, 2024 5:06 pm
He can't even see the trees anymore.
In SS terms, he's saying, "Pondy, Donna. This party ain't big enough for all of us. You can have it!"
