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Harris/______?
By Ponderer
July 21, 2024 12:09 pm
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So let's hear the guesses as to who she'll pick for her running mate...

I like the sound of Harris/Whitmer....

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  1. by Indy! on July 21, 2024 12:11 pm
    Whitmer / Harris sounds far better.

  2. by HatetheSwamp on July 21, 2024 12:23 pm

    The reason you'd do it were you Whitmer is to get yourself connected to donors and the smoke-filled room crowd for 028.

  3. by Donna on July 21, 2024 12:25 pm

    I agree, Indy, but I'm more relieved that Biden threw in the towel.

    My VP choice is Gretchen, but I can see them picking Shapiro too.

  4. by Curt_Anderson on July 21, 2024 12:49 pm
    I like Mark Kelly, the Arizona senator and former astronaut as the VP.

  5. by Donna on July 21, 2024 12:52 pm

    He'd be a good pick too.

  6. by oldedude on July 21, 2024 1:10 pm
    If I would be voting dem, any of those sound legitimate. I think Mark Kelly is more of a threat. Just have to wait and see!

  7. by ROB3RT on July 21, 2024 2:12 pm

    I'd put my money on Mark Kelly, too. A safe choice, devoted husband to Gabby Giffords, a moderate on immigration who could help Harris where she needs it. He doesn't help much in the midwest, but I'm skeptical that any of the midwest governors would deliver a state.

    The others being mentioned are Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, Penn. Gov. Josh Shapiro.

    I could see Ohio Rep. (and former JD Vance opponent) Tim Ryan getting a look. I'm skeptical about two women being on the ticket, so I don't think Whitmer will get picked.


  8. by Donna on July 21, 2024 2:39 pm

    100% in agreement, ROB3RT. Kelly's my top choice for the same reasons.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on July 21, 2024 2:41 pm
    Robert,
    I believe the last vice president selected because of their ability to deliver a state or region was LBJ in 1968. Since then the running mates represented safe states to the top of the ticket. The one exception that I can think of was Spiro Agnew who hailed from the blue state of Maryland---which didn't seem to matter in Nixon's electoral math.

    I would advise against a two-female ticket.

    Harris-Kelly 2024!

    Btw, I am just glad Joe Biden and the powers that be apparently read your op-ed, "Like it or not, Kamala Harris is probably our only hope". See link.
    selectsmart.com

  10. by Ponderer on July 21, 2024 4:19 pm

    I think Kelly is the best choice right now. It would be good for other down ballot Dems in AZ too.

  11. by Indy! on July 21, 2024 5:04 pm

    If the Ds want to win - they better not get cute. Two women or two minorities will probably be a deal killer.

  12. by Curt_Anderson on July 21, 2024 6:11 pm
    I really hope Harris chooses Mark Kelly. Kelly is a centrist who has a good working relationship with his Senate colleagues, including Republicans with whom he was worked on bipartisan legislation.

    That is important because the vice president is also the president of the Senate. In addition to serving as presiding officer, the vice president has the sole power to break a tie vote in the Senate. That could be a big deal again if the Senate is 50/50 again.

  13. by Indy! on July 21, 2024 6:30 pm
    You want to pull a senator when the Ds are always fighting for control?

  14. by ROB3RT on July 21, 2024 6:57 pm

    That is definitely a downside to picking Kelley.

    Harris also has two similar options, former New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu and Colorado Sen. Michael Bennett.

  15. by Curt_Anderson on July 21, 2024 7:06 pm
    That is not a downside. Arizona’s Democratic governor would appoint his replacement. Kelly’s term ends in 2028. His replacement might face a special election…not sure about AZ laws…but as the incumbent.

  16. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 11:20 am

    She really needs a governor or the mayor of a big city. I don't know if the NOLA guy was around for Katrina - but if he dealt with that he would be a good choice probably. Congressfolks don't really help her imho in the "experience" and "trust" departments. Voters on the fence want to know there's going to be someone there with executive experience to help out in a possible crisis.

  17. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2024 11:30 am
    Indy,
    Kamala has executive experience. As the California attorney general she was the head of the California Department of Justice. She oversaw a staff of over 1,100 attorneys and 3,700 non-attorney employees.

    Trump's criminal activity keeps maybe 100 attorneys busy.

  18. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 11:51 am

    Nope.

  19. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2024 12:01 pm
    "Nope" what?

  20. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 12:25 pm

    Only people like yourself - party Ds who will never vote for anyone without a D next to their name - care about things like being AG. It looks good on the resumé - it doesn't relive regular folks' concerns as to whether she is ready to lead the country. Just like being veep - nobody cares. Find a real executive with experience and pick him. Not another Tim Kaine, John Edwards or Joe LIEberman.

  21. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 12:25 pm

    *relieve

  22. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2024 12:47 pm
    Indy,
    I have never heard a person (regular or otherwise) say that having executive experience on a presidential ticket mattered, much less a deciding factor. It didn't matter to voters when they elected Biden-Harris, Obama-Biden, Bush-Quayle, Johnson-Humphrey, Kennedy-Johnson, etc.

    Anyway, Harris was in charge of the largest law firm (public or private) in the country. That's executive experience that matters more than whatever number of housemaids and dishwashers Trump employs.

  23. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 1:11 pm

    Wow - surprised you didn't stop yourself at the POST button on that one.

    Biden/Harris - Biden was the "experience" guy

    Obama/Biden - Biden was specifically chosen to offset Obama's inexperience

    Bush/Quayle - now we're in ancient history which doesn't apply, but Bush was the experience guy - he ran the CIA

    Johnson/Humphrey - Johnson was already president

    Kennedy/Johnson: See "Obama/Biden" replace Biden with Johnson

    I'm assuming you know exactly what I'm talknig about - but are just playing obtuse. BTW - you would have been better going with Clinton/Gore. 😌

  24. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2024 1:59 pm
    LBJ had less than a year of chief executive experience. Elder Bush’s being head of The CIA is comparable to Kamala Harris is being head of the California Department of Justice.

    Anyway, it’s comical that you’re concerned about executive experience when your preferred candidates are Marianne Williamson and Bernie Sanders.

  25. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 2:01 pm

    Agree to disagree and the point remains - Kamala is not going to get by on her... ahem... "experience" alone. Pick someone sketchy or another R in D clothing like Kaine or Lieberman and her loss will be even greater.

  26. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2024 2:25 pm
    I never suggested the Harris was going to get by on her experience alone. I said the opposite: I said it won't be a deciding factor for voters.

  27. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 6:32 pm

    Right - because she did so AWESOME the last time she ran for president. 🙄

  28. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2024 6:51 pm
    Indy,
    2020 in the wake of George Floyd’s murder was the wrong time for a prosecutor to be running for elected office. 2024 is the right time to run against a habitual criminal. See my post “I already like the way she is taking on Trump“.

  29. by ROB3RT on July 22, 2024 8:02 pm

    That was 2020. It's four years later. People can learn and grow.

    I was very unimpressed with Harris in 2019 and 2020. But from what I've seen the last couple of weeks, she's improved.

  30. by Ponderer on July 22, 2024 9:19 pm

    We were watching her tonight, Rob3rt. She was on fire. The line about being a former prosecutor and how she "knows his type" is golden. It killed.


    Oh the debate is going to be delicious.

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  31. by Ponderer on July 22, 2024 9:20 pm

    She has got the chops for this. She is up to this. She can do this.

  32. by Indy! on July 22, 2024 9:22 pm

    You're funny, Curt.

  33. by Ponderer on July 23, 2024 7:21 am

    I'm still really thinking it's gonna be Sen. Mark Kelly. And I think that a lot of people are coming to the same conclusion. It would be extremely good for Arizona's Democrats and probably lock the state up for Harris. And Kelly has the border state cred to go at the border situation on a federal level. He has been pretty active here dealing with it. I just think he'd be the best all-around choice.

    I'm a bit ignorant about Gov. Shapiro, but everything I hear about him is good. Perhaps our resident Pennsylvanian Hate can give us some details about him and tell us why he believes his governor would make a great Vice President...?


    The Atlantic’s Tim Alberta on Monday explained the importance of who Vice President Kamala Harris picks to be her running mate, should she become the Democratic 2024 nominee, and who GOP nominee Donald Trump’s campaign fears she’ll select.

    “Trump folks are especially worried about two people,” Alberta, whose 2019 book “American Carnage” tackled the rise of Trump, said on MSNBC.

    And they are Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz) and Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro.

    “Both of those gentlemen are able, potentially, to put into play a battleground state that the Trump folks were confident had already been taken off the map,” Alberta suggested.

    They are in stark contrast to Trump’s own running mate JD Vance who Alberta acknowledged doubles down on Trump’s core strengths but whose state of Ohio is “already in the bag” for the former president.
    If Harris is nominated, unifies the Democratic Party and adds “someone like a Kelly or a Shapiro to the ticket” then Trump is potentially “playing defense in some of these states that he thought had been put out of play,” Alberta added.


    msn.com

  34. by Ponderer on July 23, 2024 7:27 am

    "You want to pull a senator when the Ds are always fighting for control?" -Indy!

    "That is definitely a downside to picking Kelley." -olde dude


    Wouldn't the Arizona governor, Katie Hobbs, get to pick his replacement though? So the Dems wouldn't lose any ground. I think it's actually a plus if she picks him.

  35. by Ponderer on July 23, 2024 7:28 am

    Sorry. That wasn't olde dude. It was Rob3rt who I was quoting.

    Coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

  36. by Ponderer on July 23, 2024 10:40 am

    I do see that his position would be up for grabs actually. So it would be a bit of a concern.

  37. by Ponderer on July 23, 2024 10:42 am

    Jamie Raskin's name is being floated. He might actually o pretty well. The right would have absolute conniptions over him, what with the way he nailed Trump and his treasonous cronies in the 1/6 hearings. He knows Trump's type too.

  38. by Donna on July 23, 2024 10:44 am

    Jamie Raskin's name is coming up a lot in conversations about her running mate. I'd be good with that.

  39. by HatetheSwamp on July 23, 2024 11:02 am

    Raskin is the sort of pit bull who serves the party best in Congress. The GOP equivalent would be Elise Stefanik.

    I'm pretty sure that pb's right on this. The Dem base will fall in passionate love with Kammy, as you two have... as the GOPs are historically unified behind Trump.

    It's moderate and independent common sense voters who are all that matters between now and when ballots are counted.

    Raskin ain't your guy... if you want to win.

  40. by Indy! on July 23, 2024 11:03 am

    Please don't fuck it up now, Ds (although I know how hard they want to) - pick a governor. Congress' approval rating is 15% - yeah, let's pick some random senator. 🙄

  41. by Ponderer on July 23, 2024 11:16 am

    "It's moderate and independent common sense voters who are all that matters between now and when ballots are counted." -Hate

    Uh huh.


    "Hmmm... A former prosecutor and state attorney general who went on to get elected as a Senator, and then even as the vice president with a few minor skeletons in her closet..... Or a xenophobic, lying, charity-defrauding, ravenously megalomaniacal, democracy-hating, 34-count convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with loving ties to authoritarian dictators and ambitious, theocracy-seeking theocrats who want to take civil rights away from minorities... Hmmmmmm............." -A Moderate, independent, Common Sense Voter


  42. by HatetheSwamp on July 23, 2024 11:32 am

    Good'ne, po. Good'ne! Bahaha.

  43. by Indy! on July 23, 2024 1:48 pm

    Too bad the Ds are afraid to say those things. This is their biggest problem - they worry about offending people who will never vote for them anyway. This is one thing Trump knows better than the Ds - he doesn't care about offending his enemies.


  44. by Donna on July 23, 2024 1:55 pm

    Spot on again, Indy. I've been saying for years that the Dems should be ruthless like the Republicans and the MAGAs who replaced them.

  45. by Indy! on July 23, 2024 7:51 pm

    Just more proof they're owned by corporate America. When the Rs take control of gov't - they have everything ready to go and they move on it. Ds get elected and disappear for 6 months trying to figure out who is going to use which WH bathroom.

  46. by Donna on July 28, 2024 11:01 am

    I'm liking former high school teacher and current Minnesota Governor Tim Walz for VP. He's an older guy who knows how to connect with working class Americans, and he's accomplished a great deal for them with only a one-seat Democratic advantage in the Minnesota legislature.

    "These are weird people on the other side. They wanna take books away, they wanna be in your exam room - that's what it comes down to. Don't sugar-coat this - these are weird ideas. Listen to them speak. Listen how they talk about things...There is no plan; there is no healthcare plan.

    They want to take away our alliances and leave Russia to do whatever they want. Look, they are bad on foreign policy, they are bad on the environment, they certainly have no healthcare plan, and they keep talking about the middle class, and like I said, a robber-baron real estate guy and a venture capitalist trying to tell us that they understand who we are. They don't know who we are.




    m.youtube.com

  47. by Donna on July 28, 2024 11:58 am

    Here's another great interview with Tim Walz, this one from Stephanie Ruhl's show.

    I really hope that Kamala goes with this guy. He's such an effective communucator, and he doesn't hold back.

    m.youtube.com

  48. by Indy! on July 28, 2024 12:45 pm

    I like him. He would be good for the dirty work.

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