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Biden's Oval Office Speech By Ponderer June 3, 2023 11:13 am Category: Politics (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post Write A New Article How To Post Here

It's only eleven minutes and I highly recommend looking it up if you didn't watch it live.

He promised to be a uniter. And that speech absolutely cemented him as one. The man can do bi-partisanship with the best of them. In fact, I believe he is the best of them. he even praised McCarthy for his side of the negotiations. It was a speech that no one could have ever imagined Trump giving.

Donna and I believe that something that came out of this was that Biden and McCarthy have become BFFs. McCarthy realizes that Biden isn't out to destroy him. And Biden realizes that McCarthy isn't insane and will work with him. In fact, given that the rest of his party seems to be against him, Biden is probably quite literally McCarthy's best friend right now.

Anyway, the speech was wonderful. Couldn't have been more presidential.


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by islander on June 3, 2023 12:31 pm Excellent !!! 👍👍👍 Biden is proving once again to be the kind of president we need in these troubling times. 🍻 by islander on June 3, 2023 12:48 pm For anyone who has any doubts about whether we made the right choice in the last election, this will certainly ease those doubts, especially when we think of who might have won...I feel ever more confident that we are now headed in the right direction. It is such a comforting feeling to know that once again we have sane and intelligent people back in the White House ! by islander on June 3, 2023 1:08 pm If anyone missed Biden's oval office speech, it's available here: View Video by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 1:25 pm You said it, Isle! Doesn't sane government feel encouraging? by islander on June 3, 2023 2:36 pm Yes it does feel very good and very encouraging! Even more so since I just finished reading Bob Woodward’s “FEAR...Trump in The White House” and I highly recommend it! It will make you appreciate having Biden in the White House even more as it gives you a very scary look into the psychopathic mind of Trump and the madness that was going in the White House during Trump’s four years in office. by HatetheSwamp on June 4, 2023 2:48 am YIKES! You thought that was a unifying speech!!!!!? The stammering simpleton spent the first and last 30 seconds praising bipartisanship and the rest of the speech trashing Republicans...and lying about them! Clouseau had an opportunity to be a statesman but chose to give a campaign speech. He's a third rate political hack. Ironically, when he still had a brain he was moderate and as inclined to be bipartisan as any Dem. And, y'nes fell for it. I repeat over and over again that we all bring our preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives. If you thought that speech unified, what you actually heard was your preferences and prejudices being satiated by a doddering old fool. Oy, as po'd say, EFFIN vey!!!!! by islander on June 4, 2023 5:47 am Ponderer ~ As I was watching and listening to Biden, it was impossible not see the contrast between Biden and Trump. It got me thinking about the people who chose Biden over Trump and the people who chose Trump over Biden. What struck me the most was how similar in so many ways each person’s personality was to the person they chose. I can see Trump and his personality traits in those who chose him over Biden, and I can see how those who chose Biden are so different from Trump and more like Biden. This of course is why we feel more comfortable with Biden as our president than Trump, since Biden more closely resembles us, just as those who chose Trump feel more comfortable with Trump since they are more like him. So I guess there is a lot of truth in the idea that when we make our choice between Trump or Biden, our preferences and prejudices are reflected in the man we choose. Some who chose Trump, like Trump himself, will even mock a person’s disabilities such as Biden’s stuttering. Check out the video in the link: View Video by Ponderer on June 4, 2023 7:18 am Wise words, Isle. That was exquisitely said. Yeah, that video of him doing that should have been the end of it right there. A Democrat's campaign would have never survived another fifteen minutes after such a disgusting display. But the pre-MAGA Republican electorate back then seemed to actually be hungry for someone as disgusting, xenophobic, immoral, and mendacious as Trump. State after state throughout the primaries, he seemed to be just what they were all looking for. As he told his people at his rallies to literally beat up protesters, his pol numbers grew. As he slandered minorities and made xenophobic promises, they lapped it all up. The more outrageous the heinous revelations that kept surfacing about him were, the stronger their love and devotion to him became. Hate will never comprehend how we can feel so good about our choice in president and the capable, experienced, and efficacious job he has been doing, when compared to the nightmarish, megalomaniacal degradation his choice in president foisted on this country and it's people. What is obvious to us and any moderately sane individual is utterly invisible to him and those others who put their own personal petty hatreds and paranoia and bigotry and selfishness before their duties as citizens of this country: To chose the best person on the ballot to be the leader of America. The candidate who is most likely to serve this country with honor and respect for its laws and a duty to its people. Not a person who would turn the White House into the castle of their own dictatorial empire. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 7:40 am That's why neither of us are trumpsters. You still have such a hard time with that. Your hatred for another human being is the center of your life. It owns and runs you (well et.al). You can't believe that half the country doesn't think like you, so you (all) are puppets of hatred. We see much better options out there. That's the operative word. We have options. You (well all y'all) are stagnate in your life from hatred. by Donna on June 4, 2023 8:53 am You and Hts would still vote for Trump over Biden or any Democrat in the general election though, right? by Donna on June 4, 2023 8:56 am Btw, great observation, islander. Very well articulated. I'm guessing that an overwhelming majority of Americans vote for who they most relate to personally. by islander on June 4, 2023 9:33 am "It got me thinking about the people who chose Biden over Trump and the people who chose Trump over Biden".~ isle "That's why neither of us are trumpsters." ~ od Saying your not a trumpster is sort of meaningless in this discussion, od. I don't think you understood that we are talking about the people who chose Trump over Biden in the last election and the difference in the personality traits between those people and the ones who voted for Biden over Trump and how they reflect our own preferences and prejudices. If you didn't choose to vote for Trump over Biden, od, then you don't need to feel that you are one of the people in the group that Ponderer and I have been discussing in this conversation (those who chose Trump over Biden). I wouldn't have thought you were in the group that chose to vote for Biden over Trump though. Are you? by oldedude on June 4, 2023 9:53 am Saying your not a trumpster is sort of meaningless in this discussion, od. I don't think you understood that we are talking about the people who chose Trump over Biden in the last election and the difference in the personality traits between those people and the ones who voted for Biden over Trump and how they reflect our own preferences and prejudices. First, I'm a constitutionalist. So that automatically rules out pedojoe. And every dim running. I believe in the rule of law. That automatically rules out every dim. I believe in small government. That rules out every dim. I believe in parents having a right to raise their own children, not the government raising their children. That rules out the dims. I believe in MLKjr's speech and look at the character of a person, and not their colour. That rules out every dim. So where am I left? The dim platform, plank by plank is morally objectionable to any sensible, thinking person. To those who believe in it, they're mindless sheep for fodder. Nothing more. by islander on June 4, 2023 11:09 am You could have saved yourself a lot of time and energy, od,by just saying,"Yes, I chose Trump over Biden." by oldedude on June 4, 2023 11:23 am That wouldn't have covered it. My total disdain for pedojoe's handlers is something I've never had before in politics. I also know you are in your prison of two ideas, and you'll never get out of that. You're locked into your world of being a victim and there's only two ways to think. Both of them someone or something is "making" you do this or that. by islander on June 4, 2023 12:51 pm od ~ Your odd daydream ramblings about us being victims or whatever are simply a distraction and are rather pointless with regard to this conversation which is about similarities between Trump’s and Trump voter’s personality types, preferences, and character and Biden’s and his voters. Using your first claim for example...You say you voted for Trump but not for Biden because you call yourself a “Constitutionalist” (last week you and Hate were libertarians). At any rate you do know I’m sure that the guy you voted for called for, “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”... He said it would be allowed and justified because of the Big Lie. I wouldn’t think a Constitutionalist would want a president who could even entertain the thought that he might be able to terminate the Constitution. This might possibly be an indication of your personality but it could also simply be that you didn’t know he said that. Like I said at the beginning this discussion is about Trump’s personality, character, and preferences, and how similar they are to his voters and how similar Biden’s are to his voters and it is because they are so much like us, if we are honest with ourselves, that we are drawn to them. So lets stay on point and stick to that. by HatetheSwamp on June 4, 2023 12:57 pm Hate will never comprehend how we can feel so good about our choice in president We all bring our preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives. Bang on. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 1:39 pm Your odd daydream ramblings about us being victims or whatever are simply a distraction and are rather pointless with regard to this conversation which is about similarities between Trump’s and Trump voter’s personality types, preferences, and character and Biden’s and his voters. Actually, that has a lot to do with your political choices. If you can't/won't be a part of your own life, you're usually a dim. You're powerless in your own mind and choose to have the government take care of you. You don't want to make your own decisions (health care, etc). Using your first claim for example...You say you voted for Trump but not for Biden because you call yourself a “Constitutionalist” (last week you and Hate were libertarians). At any rate you do know I’m sure that the guy you voted for called for, “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”... He said it would be allowed and justified because of the Big Lie. Obviously you're still caught in the prison of two ideas. Everyone is either a Republican. Or a Dimocrat. You don't have the capability to think any further than that. I am both. I've shown you the Libertarian side many times. It's that side that says, "Hey, whatever you want to do as an adult, go for it. As long and you're not exploiting kids. I don't care. And it's not my business what two consenting adults do in their own home (sans again the kid thing). You want to smoke weed? Don't care. same rules apply. I am also very much a constitutionalist. You want things to change? There's a way to do that. It's easy. Read the constitution. It's pretty well laid out for you. If you'd bother to read it. The piece you referenced was about voting law he thought was unconstitutional. I don't agree with him on that. Nor do most others. Like I said at the beginning this discussion is about Trump’s personality, character, and preferences, and how similar they are to his voters and how similar Biden’s are to his voters and it is because they are so much like us, if we are honest with ourselves, that we are drawn to them. So lets stay on point and stick to that. I agree. pedojoe followers are nothing but sheep that suck up to big brother and know very little about our system of government. Most of them are as stupid as his handlers, and fall for every shyster thing the party does. Much like supporting BLM, which some still do. They were nothing but a scam. And the dims still love them. They stole people's money and no body cares. They follow the lemming press and fall off cliffs because they follow the dumbshit ahead without having to think. They retch the talking points at (true) nauseum. Oh, and for preferences. I absolutely agree with that. When pedojoe cops a feel on an 11 year old, or showers with his daughter, you're more than willing to support that. by HatetheSwamp on June 4, 2023 1:49 pm Obviously you're still caught in the prison of two ideas. Everyone is either a Republican. Or a Dimocrat. You don't have the capability to think any further than that. Absolutely. No nuance. As you know, I'm done with Fox News but I'll say that our progressives here's be a lot smarter if they watched Dana on THE FIVE and GUTFELD!. po doesn't seem to have been told that not every GOP is a MAGA. Baha baha baha. by HatetheSwamp on June 4, 2023 1:56 pm Donna: "You and Hts would still vote for Trump over Biden or any Democrat in the general election though, right?" Whoa! If Trump's the nominee, and this third party thing materializes and that's someone decent, I'll vote third party. If RFK, Jr. somehow squeaks through, I'll very seriously consider voting for him. Remember, pb's was a Dem for 40, as po'd say, EFFIN years. pb's a Kennedy Dem. In the 70s, pb was what a progressive was back in the day...He's still that, essentially. by Curt_Anderson on June 4, 2023 2:11 pm "That's why neither of us are trumpsters. You still have such a hard time with that." --OD Those who know me know that I am stickler for accuracy and adherence to the facts. Therefore to be sure I was using the term correctly I googled "Trumpster definition". (See link) In looking at the various and slightly different definitions of the term, it appears to me that "Trumpster" is applied correctly on these pages. google.com by HatetheSwamp on June 4, 2023 2:17 pm Trumpster: "A Trumpster is an ardent supporter of U.S. President Donald J. Trump." Nuh uh. No one close to that here. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 2:18 pm Yeah. Again, I'm still looking for anyone but Trump. Kennedy I'm pretty skeptical of but may be someone I would look at. I have never voted for trumpster in the primaries. Hasn't gotten me too far, but I won't next time either. I think Ron's going to carry this state, so there's that. In FL, representatives have to vote with their constituents, so we actually have representation of our vote in the generals (both sides). And I switched from dim to GOP about 30 years ago. And really happy I did. by Ponderer on June 4, 2023 2:31 pm Bang on, Curt. It most certainly is. Google wouldn't lie about a thing like that. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 2:38 pm Trumpster: "A Trumpster is an ardent supporter of U.S. President Donald J. Trump." That's pretty much the way I'm using that. Either "the" trumpster, or trumpsters in general. Just like you have pedojlowbobs (those that suck up all they can from pedojoe) by Ponderer on June 4, 2023 2:51 pm "pedojlowbobs" -olde dude If you had any idea of what you just called yourself in Uzbekistani, you'd hide your face from here for a month at least. by Donna on June 4, 2023 4:41 pm I've never made excuses for having supported Bush in 2000. Easily the stupidest vote I've ever made. So I'm getting a kick out of watching od and Hts dance around the fact that they supported Trump in not one but two elections. by HatetheSwamp on June 4, 2023 5:03 pm When did pb "dance around" voting for Trump!!!!!? You couldn't have effin paid me to vote for Hillary in 016. I despise Trump but I don't regret that vote. What I regret is that Trump was the better choice. Same with the Doddering Old Fart in 020. By a looooooooong shot! I don't regret .y vote for Trump against "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap." What makes you think I do? by islander on June 4, 2023 5:28 pm ”Actually, that has a lot to do with your political choices. If you can't/won't be a part of your own life, you're usually a dim. You're powerless in your own mind and choose to have the government take care of you. You don't want to make your own decisions (health care, etc)” ~ od This is the munbo-jumbo nonsense that is like static or noise and for which it would be foolish and a waste of time for me to even try to respond, and it doesn’t deserve a response. There is a reason why I don’t use the phrase Trumpsters here but I do use the term Trump voters when describing you and Hate. There can be no time wasting time arguing over its meaning which is someone who voted for Trump. Back to the reasons you claim to have voted for Trump over Biden. Your first reason that you are a Constitutionalist has been shown to be irrational since Trump has shown to be as far from respecting the Constitution as it’s possible for anyone to be. Your second is that you voted for Trump is because you claim to believe in the rule of law but that is irrational since Trump does not believe in the rule of law and has flaunted it and ignored it his entire adult life and has surrounded him self with people just like himself. Next you believe in small government yet that is a very vague term. A platitude really, unless you are referring to a dog eat dog society with little or no interference from a government which of course would mean a society in which the strong will do what the will and rest of society will suffer and endure what they must. That might be fine with you but I, and I believe most people, neither want such a thing nor would they agree with you that it’s the type of society we should have. Next you say you voted for Trump because you believe in parents having a right to raise their own children, not the government raising their children....As do I but I voted for Biden because he is a better human being and more likely to insure that. Next you say you voted for Trump because you believe in MLK jr's speech and look at the character of a person, and not their colour....As do I and I believe Biden will be a far better at insuring this than the man that, for good reason, you and Hate despise and find disgusting but voted for. Next you say that you voted for Trump because the dim [Democrat] platform, plank by plank is morally objectionable to any sensible, thinking person. I find that ironic because the rest of the reasons you gave for choosing Trump over Biden are not the reasons of a sensible, thinking, or reasonable person. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 6:27 pm Your first reason that you are a Constitutionalist has been shown to be irrational since Trump has shown to be as far from respecting the Constitution as it’s possible for anyone to be. Except for the dimocratic party that bought off the IC and DOJ so cliton wouldn't get arrested. And you buttie pedojoe, that so far is linked to about $5mil and counting of dirty money. For the rest of your asinine comments. I didn't say that dikead. The rest of your waste of time was answering po about Ron DeSantis. I said they were Ron's points that I appreciated about him, and things he has done in FL. The trumpster has nothing to do with that, and quite honestly I couldn't/ wouldn't say that about him. Please correct your cranial-rectal inversion. And if you're going to "quote" me, make sure it's about the right thing. This proves you have zero life outside of hatred for trumpster. That you're so obsessed with him that you believe everyone else is obsessed with him. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 6:46 pm What they continue to forget is that we took the better of the choices. They took the sludge from the swamp. The sht the gators wouldn't go in to. Someone that can be bought off and is too far in his dementia to know what's going on. But burnie wasn't running because of the crap that obomber pulled at the DNC. by islander on June 4, 2023 6:49 pm "For the rest of your asinine comments. I didn't say that dikead." ~ od Of course you said those things od...You seem to have gone off the deep end. Your posts make less and less sense. You said them in in post # 13 of this thread: "First, I'm a constitutionalist. So that automatically rules out pedojoe. And every dim running. I believe in the rule of law. That automatically rules out every dim. I believe in small government. That rules out every dim. I believe in parents having a right to raise their own children, not the government raising their children. That rules out the dims. I believe in MLKjr's speech and look at the character of a person, and not their colour. That rules out every dim. So where am I left? The dim platform, plank by plank is morally objectionable to any sensible, thinking person. To those who believe in it, they're mindless sheep for fodder. Nothing more." by oldedude on June 4, 2023 6:57 pm Yes, I saw that after I posted. So that's my bad. Sorry to confuse you. but you and po look alot alike. Except she's the smarter one by far. First, I'm a constitutionalist. So that automatically rules out pedojoe. And every dim running. I believe in the rule of law. That automatically rules out every dim. I believe in small government. That rules out every dim. I believe in parents having a right to raise their own children, not the government raising their children. That rules out the dims. I believe in MLKjr's speech and look at the character of a person, and not their colour. That rules out every dim. So where am I left? The dim platform, plank by plank is morally objectionable to any sensible, thinking person. To those who believe in it, they're mindless sheep for fodder. Nothing more. This was a discussion regarding dims and me. That should have been evident when every line ends with "That rules out the dims" or some other smite. What does trumpster have to do with this? pretty much nothing. It has to do with pedojoe. You know, the guy that feels up 11 year olds? and showers with his adolescent daughter? That one. by islander on June 5, 2023 4:56 am "This was a discussion regarding dims and me" ~ od No, od, this was part of the ongoing discussion between you and me, it’s about the difference between people who voted for Trump vs people who voted for Biden. Go back and read the posts. In your post # 13 you quoted me explaining this to you and you gave those examples as your reason for choosing Trump over Biden. Just so you don’t have to scroll back, I’ll copy and paste it here for you: 13. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 9:53 am ”Saying your not a trumpster is sort of meaningless in this discussion, od. I don't think you understood that we are talking about the people who chose Trump over Biden in the last election and the difference in the personality traits between those people and the ones who voted for Biden over Trump and how they reflect our own preferences and prejudices.” ~ isle "First, I'm a constitutionalist. So that automatically rules out pedojoe [Biden]. And every dim running. I believe in the rule of law. That automatically rules out every dim. I believe in small government. That rules out every dim. I believe in parents having a right to raise their own children, not the government raising their children. That rules out the dims. I believe in MLKjr's speech and look at the character of a person, and not their colour. That rules out every dim. So where am I left? The dim platform, plank by plank is morally objectionable to any sensible, thinking person. To those who believe in it, they're mindless sheep for fodder. Nothing more." ~ od _______________________________________________ You appear to be a very confused person od which explains why you have such a hard time trying to stay focused and on point. It makes it virtually impossible to carry on a rational discussion with you for any length of time. You waste too much time and energy spewing your hatred and anger in the form of insults and childish name calling instead of trying to debate using adult logic. This has, however, helped to highlight the similarities between the personalities of Trump voters and Trump himself, since, when you listen to Trump he has the same problems as you staying focused and Trump argues just like you spewing hate, insults, and childish name calling. by Ponderer on June 5, 2023 7:07 am "I despise Trump but I don't regret that vote. What I regret is that Trump was the better choice. " -Hate What I regret is that you were too blindly stupid to understand just how wrong you were in that decision. In '16 and '20. Could you explain to the class what horrors you thought Hillary would unleash on the country that wouldn't have paled in comparison to the felonious, immoral degradation of our democracy and society that Trump ended up foisting on this country? Oh never mind. You'll just dance around the question and never address it. Given everything that was plainly and openly known about Trump leading up to the election, there was absolutely no substantive defense for thinking that Trump was a better choice than Clinton. Much as I disliked her myself and railed against her in the primaries, there was still no sane reason to vote for Trump over her. And you'll never give one, Bill. So I'll save you the effort. Don't even bother to attempt it. But please at least tell me this, Bill: What happened to seemingly diminish your estimation of Trump as the best candidate if it comes down to it being between him and Biden this time? What has changed your mind about him? What is it that you know about Trump now that you didn't know in November of 2016 and 2020 to make you say you won't vote for him a third time? If you could see your way clear to addressing this question, I'd really appreciate it. And if you could tell me what's different now, I'll explain to you why you were a willfully pig-ignorant, blithering moron for not seeing it back in 2015...... by HatetheSwamp on June 5, 2023 7:46 am po, Interestingly, while I have always despised Trump and I abhor him to this day, my estimation of him has, if anything, improved slightly since I voted for him in 016. His accomplishments as President far exceeded my expectation. "That feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" is, however, all I knew him to be in 020: A demented pedophile and a corrupt Swamp politician. by Ponderer on June 5, 2023 8:20 am When did pb "dance around" voting for Trump!!!!!? You couldn't have effin paid me to vote for Hillary in 016. I despise Trump but I don't regret that vote. What I regret is that Trump was the better choice. - Hts I didn't say you're dancing around voting for Trump. You've admitted that many times. I said you're dancing around having supported Trump - twice. And you've indicated that you'd support him again if you don't like the Democratic Party nominee. I have no problem admitting that I supported Bush with my vote in 2000. by Donna on June 5, 2023 8:21 am That ^^^^^ comment was mine. by Ponderer on June 5, 2023 8:35 am But Bill, even more confusingly, now you're saying that your estimation of Trump is even higher than it was before, but you still declare that you won't vote for him this next time around. What happened to seemingly diminish your estimation of Trump as the best candidate if it comes down to it being between him and Biden this time? What has changed your mind about him? What is it that you know about Trump now that you didn't know in November of 2016 and 2020 to make you say you won't vote for him a third time? by HatetheSwamp on June 5, 2023 9:44 am If I posted that I won't vote for Trump in 024, I was more definite than I should have been. I won't vote for him in the Primary. Period. I'd probably vote for RFK Jr over him. And, depending on who the third-party candidate is, I'd vote for that appropriate pronoun. If the Dems run "that feckless dementia-ridden" sacko$#!t, I'll either not vote or vote Trump. by Ponderer on June 5, 2023 11:14 am "I'll either not vote or vote Trump" -Hate Because you are a dedicated MAGA Republican party member, Bill. Regardless of your protestations at it being pointed out. It's just as I have been saying for quite some time now. There could be a pile of indictments and even convictions on several cases that he's about to be tried on, and you will still vote for him. Even if he's a convicted felon. Because your full-blown dementia about the Democratic Party and Joe Biden has spread to every fiber of your being and is at this point terminal. And in a pig's eye you wouldn't vote. If Trump's the GOP on the ballot, you will vote for him. You won't be able to stop yourself. Your demented service to him won't let you. by islander on June 5, 2023 12:23 pm The most powerful thing we, as an individual, can do to support a candidate is to vote for that candidate. by oldedude on June 5, 2023 1:45 pm OR we vote against the opposition. by HatetheSwamp on June 5, 2023 1:47 pm Quite the mystery, ain't OD. by oldedude on June 5, 2023 1:54 pm Again, nuance. One of them will argue it. So yes. by islander on June 5, 2023 2:29 pm Very sound advice for Trumpsters and Republicans in general...If you want to support your candidate...Vote against the opposition (That’ll leave them MAGAs scratching their heads)! 🤔 For the rest of us, the best way to support your candidate is to simply vote for your candidate !!! Don't vote for someone else, Vote for the person you want to win !!! 🍻 by HatetheSwamp on June 5, 2023 3:07 pm OD, I think this Trump thing with the wokesters is a TDS thing. by oldedude on June 5, 2023 3:09 pm I know this is outside your realm of possibilities and. In a when you don't care for one, and the other one will destroy everything you believe in, you vote against that one. Most voters would not vote to reelect President Joe Biden, and a significant number who voted for him in 2020 now regret their choice. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that, if the next presidential election were held today, 37% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for Biden. Forty-three percent (43%) would vote for former President Donald Trump, and 14% say they would vote for some other candidate. rasmussenreports.com by oldedude on June 5, 2023 3:09 pm I know this is outside your realm of possibilities and. In a when you don't care for one, and the other one will destroy everything you believe in, you vote against that one. Most voters would not vote to reelect President Joe Biden, and a significant number who voted for him in 2020 now regret their choice. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that, if the next presidential election were held today, 37% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for Biden. Forty-three percent (43%) would vote for former President Donald Trump, and 14% say they would vote for some other candidate. rasmussenreports.com by Ponderer on June 5, 2023 4:11 pm Voting for a candidate means you're supporting them. by Donna on June 5, 2023 4:11 pm That ^^^^^ was mine. by HatetheSwamp on June 5, 2023 4:14 pm I don't think so. Both times I voted for Trump, I was voting against... by islander on June 5, 2023 4:21 pm This is why I'm happy that don't have to vote for someone that I despise and who disgusts me, I'd hate to live in the mental world of those who do. It must be a nightmare. Joe's a pretty decent guy and although he's no more perfect than I am he's doing a pretty good job of straightening out the mess and fixing the damage that the guy the other side despises and is disgusted with left behind. I have no doubt that Joe's probably doing a better job of cleaning up the other guys mess than I ever could. It's a nice feeling to know he's there in the White House rather than that other guy. !! 😀 by oldedude on June 5, 2023 4:22 pm luckyfuckingyou. by Donna on June 5, 2023 4:39 pm It's hilarious how you, Hts, are running away from admitting that you supported Trump in two elections. It doesn't matter if you felt like you were voting for the lesser of two evils; when you vote for a candidate, you'rew showing your support for that candidate. I was vote against Gore just like you voted against Hillary and Biden. But I acknowledge that I supported Bush, which btw Indy always gave me hell for, and he's right. The difference between you and me, Hts, is that I don't have a fragile ego. I'm comfortable admitting when I make a mistake. by Donna on June 5, 2023 4:47 pm As for that video of Trump making fun of a reporter with cerebral palsy that Islander posted (link below) - If I didn't know anything about the candidates and had no political preferences, that video alone would have dissuaded me from voting for Trump. youtube.com by HatetheSwamp on June 5, 2023 4:51 pm It's hilarious how you, Hts, are running away from admitting that you supported Trump in two elections. I think your definition of "support" is significantly different than mine. The difference between you and me, Hts, is that I don't have a fragile ego. I'm comfortable admitting when I make a mistake. Mistake!!!!!? Voting against Hillary and that corrupt and demented pedophile!!!!! Not in a million, as po'd say, EFFIN years. by oldedude on June 5, 2023 8:57 pm 1. They make up their own "definitions." So it's all good. 2. Don't worry. she still has daddy issues, so there's that. and then the other issues of acceptance and love. We still have free CHOICE. I know that's a really bad word in dim talk, but it's true. They play in the land of two choices (as if that wasn't evident). We play in the land of multiple layers, multi colors, and gray tones. None of those are part of their world. I pride myself on that, although it's an MF because my wife is a B/W person. It's a lot of friggin work for her to see a third possibility. by Donna on June 6, 2023 9:22 am Well then you two just continue to believe that you can vote for someone without supporting them. No skin off my nose, but I am smirking. by HatetheSwamp on June 6, 2023 9:40 am Yeah, Donna, Curt does that, too: Defining our words for us. If it floats your boat... by Donna on June 6, 2023 10:16 am Why don't you go ahead and show us, by using a dictionary definition of "support", how voting isn't supporting the candidate you voted for. by HatetheSwamp on June 6, 2023 10:36 am You progressive Swampcultists and your dictionaries! No Christian Fundy thumps the Bible like you do your dictionaries. Just t'other day, OD and I were reflecting on this revolutionary passage from THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS in which Lewis Carroll splains that words are our tools, not t'other way round: "When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all." Amazing. Absolute, as po'd say, EFFIN truth! And, Donna,... The issue is not the meaning of the word "support." It's what VOTE means. Baha baha by oldedude on June 6, 2023 9:51 pm Thusly, the OFG asked for definitions of what people think. Just to clarify. ZERO response. If you don't know that answer, WTF do you ask us to debate? That's just stoopid. Donna, I hated to say that to you of all. But that's how it lays out. If you want someone as a supporter. Please identify what your language means. If not? I'm outtahere. If you don't know, then I don't wanna know. by Donna on June 7, 2023 8:20 am What? You want me to cut and paste Merriam Webster's definition of "support" to prove that by voting for a candidate you're supporting them? I voted for George Bush for the same reasons you two voted for Trump, yet I have no trouble at all admitting that I supported Bush. If neither of you have the honesty and courage to admit what I did, I'm good with that. No skin off my nose. I just think it's funny. by Ponderer on June 7, 2023 9:49 am "You progressive Swampcultists and your dictionaries! No Christian Fundy thumps the Bible like you do your dictionaries." -Hate OH MY GOD!!! Now the DICTIONARY is "Woke" for fucksake!!! I want to thank you, Bill, for that wonderful laugh I had upon reading that. I won't even cheapen it by trying to type out a reasonable transcription of it here for you. But rest assured, it was tremendous. Made my day, what little of it there is so far. But you're right. Where do we "progressive Swampcultists" get off thinking that words pretty much mean what they actually mean? The very idea of our insisting that words mean what they actually mean by means of scholarly language experts reaching a consensus based on the actual usage of words in society? Like they are language bishops and we're religious language zealots or something? Yeah. The very idea. Apparently we are "Swamp Cultists" because we refuse adopt the version of reality that MAGA Republicans and conservatives have presented us with that words can mean whatever in the world any person wants or needs them to mean..... Words like "Subpoena" and "Ethical" and "Rule of Law" and "Shall" and "Must" and "Duty" and "Patriot" and "Rigging" and "Evidence" and "Oath to the Constitution" and "America" and the list goes on and on and on and on. I mean come on! You can't contain all the different versions of what you might need a word to mean in a book! As God's total and true Magnificence and Love is uncontainable in a single volume like The Bible, an infinite amount of scholarly tomes could never in an infinite amount of time ever contain all the different meanings right wing conservatives might need words to have! If someone wants to describe the actions of a terrorist white supremacist who attacked the Capital on 1/6 and clubbed police officers, all while hopped up on the flaming bullshit poured directly and intentionally into his skull by a megalomaniacal, totally and legally ass-beaten traitor... a "patriot", well than that's just what the word patriot means! If someone wants to describe a Supreme Court Justice who has been sucking the penis of availing himself of luxurious $ix-figure gifts from a Hitler-loving mega-conservative mega-billionaire for many many years without ever reporting any of it as he is legally mandated to do as being... "ethical", well then everybody should just simply agree that that is exactly what the word ethical means! Yeah. We're not gonna be doing that. Yeah, no. Sorry. by HatetheSwamp on June 7, 2023 1:13 pm OH MY GOD!!! Now the DICTIONARY is "Woke" for fucksake!!! Huh. It does amuse me that progressives seem to think that dictionaries possess mystical powers. I was right. No fundy thumps the Bible like you do your dictionaries. Glad I could make you 😃. by Ponderer on June 8, 2023 7:54 am "It does amuse me that progressives seem to think that dictionaries possess mystical powers." -Hate Ah yes. You are often amused by things that don't exist. We think no such thing. We simply accept that the dictionary contains the established meaning of words. An idea that the MAGA Republicans and conservatives seem to find detestable, as they believe that words can mean whatever they want or need them to mean regardless of anything that any mere dictionary might have to say about it. So I can understand your consternation, Bill. You blithering idiots will be complaining that you're allowed to spell words any way you want to next. Not that you haven't already been doing that for years... by oldedude on June 8, 2023 11:03 am We think no such thing. We simply accept that the dictionary contains the established meaning of words. An idea that the MAGA Republicans and conservatives seem to find detestable, as they believe that words can mean whatever they want or need them to mean regardless of anything that any mere dictionary might have to say about it.We think no such thing. We simply accept that the dictionary contains the established meaning of words. An idea that the MAGA Republicans and conservatives seem to find detestable, as they believe that words can mean whatever they want or need them to mean regardless of anything that any mere dictionary might have to say about it. There's no surprise that you just accept things you're told without question. We've seen that for years. Just go blandly into your little isolated pink palaces without regard to questioning anything. So you believe in supporting pedophilia and putting children at risk by not allowing parents to know what's going on in the schools. The other thing you're great at using is racial appropriation. Since it's an appropriation from the black culture in the 1940's. At least "awake" and "wide awake" which was used by Republicans in 1860 to support Abraham Lincoln and his anti-slavery agenda. Lead and I also use cultural idioms. If you don't get them, I'm sorry. They are part of American culture. You just need to get out more and actually learn the world around you. I'm careful NOT to use the hard-core slang from either the south or midwest. They're a tad vague. bing.com by Ponderer on June 9, 2023 9:00 am "There's no surprise that you just accept things you're told without question." -olde dude And right off the bat you assert some blitheringly asinine flaming bullshit about us that makes it impossible for me to read any further. I'm sure that the rest of your post simply expounded on that asinine opening. So why should I read any further when you are so wont to post wrong and mendacious bullshit about us? by Donna on June 9, 2023 9:28 am No one here supports pedophilia, od. 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