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Chinese spy balloons invaded American airspace three times during the Trump presidency
By Curt_Anderson
February 5, 2023 9:18 am
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Chinese spy balloons invaded American airspace at least three times during the Trump administration. None were shot down. The American public was not notified.


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Comments on "Chinese spy balloons invaded American airspace three times during the Trump presidency":

  1. by Donna on February 5, 2023 9:24 am

    Well there ya go. LOL!


  2. by HatetheSwamp on February 5, 2023 9:27 am

    HuffPo, eh? "...according to a statement Saturday by the Department of Defense citing an unnamed ďsenior defense official.Ē" Baha effin hahahahahahahahaha!

    On Fox and Friends this morning, a former Trump administration official said specifically and directly that it didn't happen during Trump's time.

    But, cool on the:
    Trump Trump Trump Trump
    Trump Trump Trump Trump
    Trump Trump Trump Trump...TRUMP!...

    ...thing.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on February 5, 2023 9:31 am
    Iím watching Marco Rubio being interviewed by Jake Tapper right now. Rubio said that when the balloons floated over America during the Trump administration, they didnít take the same long path across the country. Rubio didnít explain why the path matters. He also said that there was a photo of the Trump era balloons on Twitter.

    I have not heard that the airspace over any of the military installations that the balloon, apparently floated over was considered restricted airspace. I seriously wonder what information a balloon could gather that could not be gathered in other more surreptitious ways. Iím thinking of satellites, private planes, and drones.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on February 5, 2023 10:07 am

    Cool, man!

    As pb says often, any time a supporter of the Former Truck Driver resorts to comparing their guy to OrangeMan...

    "That feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" gang loses...

    ...BIG TIME!

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha!


  5. by Curt_Anderson on February 5, 2023 10:54 am
    Here is Marco Rubio admitting on CNN that Chinese balloons have flown into and across the US during the Trump administration, but he said this time is "unprecedented".
    cnn.com


  6. by HatetheSwamp on February 5, 2023 11:16 am

    pb's not comfortable with Tim Scott and Rubio calling this "dereliction of duty )" but pb does think that Rubio is bang on that the Flatulent Fool should have communicated with US citizens. He was mum on it until that amateur brought it to the public's attention then ordered it shot down when, as it seems clear, this has happened before without a military response. No wonder China is pi$$ed! What a buffoon.

    Why did the demented fool call in the F-22. The man's a brainless idiot...and he runs the military! And, YOU gave him the job.

    Don't blame me. I voted for Trump!


  7. by oldedude on February 5, 2023 1:57 pm
    I have not heard that the airspace over any of the military installations that the balloon, apparently floated over was considered restricted airspace. I seriously wonder what information a balloon could gather that could not be gathered in other more surreptitious ways. Iím thinking of satellites, private planes, and drones.

    A graph circulating on social media that purports to show the reverse trajectory of a suspected Chinese spy balloon has raised questions as to why it wasn't shot down, since weather data shows it would have originated from mainland China.

    The U.S. is tracking the object, which has been over U.S. airspace for a few days, but the Pentagon has decided not to shoot it down over safety concerns for people on the ground.

    A senior defense official told reporters that the Pentagon had "very high confidence" that it was a Chinese high-altitude balloon collecting information about sensitive sites within America, according to the Associated Press. Montana is home to one of America's three domestic nuclear missile silo fields.


    I looked at the tracker and matched that up with bases. [nuke] symbolizes it either houses or directs unconventional weapons. It came over Alaska (Elmendorf AFB/ Ft Richardson), Canada (I'm not sure what the Canuks have there, so I didn't put it in), to MT (Malmstrom AFB[nuke]), ND (Minot AFB [nuke] and Grand Forks AFB [nuke], MO (Whiteman AFB[nuke]) and Ft Leonardwood), KY (Ft Campbell [101st AirMobile]), NC/SC (Ft Bragg [special operations groups, 82nd ABN], Pope AFB [their taxi's], MCB Camp Lejune [East Coast Marine HQ]).

    Your second question. Maybe it was just to see how far they could go without being blown out of the sky. This is also the approximate altitude for an EMP. An EMP, or electromagnetic pulse, occurs as a result of a nuclear explosion. It is an eruption of electromagnetic radiation. Should this type of attack occur, it could cause rapid variances in magnetic and electric fields that could result in damaging voltage and current surges. Electronic and electrical systems could sustain massive damage.

    With the potential for a nation to lose its power grid, not only would residents and businesses lose power for an unforeseen amount of time, but so would hospitals and law enforcement agencies, leaving all citizens vulnerable.

    There are several factors involved in the specific characteristics of an attack. The altitude of the detonation is the most important of these factors. Lower altitudes can do more damage to what is on the ground with multiple types of bombs. For example, when you look at the bombs used for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the altitudes were 600 meters and 500 meters, respectively, causing maximum damage to the infrastructure in the areas.

    What makes an EMP attack very threatening is that it does not need to be close to the ground to be catastrophic. According to the US military, a nuclear bomb can be detonated up to hundreds of kilometers above the surface of the earth. They refer to this specific type of attack as a HEMP or high-altitude electromagnetic pulse. In addition to the altitude of detonation, other factors play a role in the damage that occurs, such as the gamma ray output, the electromagnetic shielding of targets, energy yield, and the Earthís magnetic field interaction.

    heavy.com
    heavy.com
    generatorwhiz.com


  8. by Ponderer on February 5, 2023 2:30 pm

    It didn't pass over Kentucky, NC or SC.


  9. by Donna on February 5, 2023 2:33 pm

    That ^ was mine.

    See link for the partial reverse trajectory of the balloon.

    heavy.com


  10. by Donna on February 5, 2023 2:53 pm

    It also didn't fly anywhere near Elmandorf or Ft. Richardson (Alaska), and I wasn't able to find any reports of it flying over Malmstrom (Montana).

    nypost.com


  11. by Curt_Anderson on February 5, 2023 2:59 pm
    It occurs to me that another possible reason the military waited until the balloon was out to sea was because of intelligence reasons. We probably want to know what exactly the balloon was equipped with. Whatever instruments were in it would more likely survive falling into water than falling onto land.


  12. by oldedude on February 5, 2023 5:03 pm
    Donna, click on the mapping I attached above and done after they brought it down. It fell off the coast of the Carolinas.

    "We'd been out doing Saturday morning stuff and were home, relaxing, lazing, watching the waves crash on the North Myrtle Beach beach and heard a loud boom. We were curious about what that sound might be...until pb turned to FNC...bahahahahahahahahahaha...to see the report of the taking down of the spy balloon near Surf Side Beach, which is just south of here. So, I guess we're famous."


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  13. by islander on February 6, 2023 7:02 am

    Hate writes:

    Trump Trump Trump Trump
    Trump Trump Trump Trump
    Trump Trump Trump Trump...TRUMP!..."


    Lol !!! Whenever I see our Trumpsters start posting that, this is all I can think of.🤣


  14. by HatetheSwamp on February 6, 2023 7:47 am

    isle,

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Youz's best defense of "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" be, BUT, TRUMP! BUT, TRUMP!,

    Not compelling.


  15. by oldedude on February 6, 2023 9:37 am
    Donna-I attached another map that shows the vacation it took across the US in the time it was here. It's better and includes the whole US visit.

    Curt- It occurs to me that another possible reason the military waited until the balloon was out to sea was because of intelligence reasons. We probably want to know what exactly the balloon was equipped with. Whatever instruments were in it would more likely survive falling into water than falling onto land.

    Good assumption, and just a word on that. It's really hard to recover most anything in pieces in the ocean. There are currents, etc. I might have chosen guns, although we don't know what the gas is to keep it up. Lots of options. Either way, we need to be looking at this for it's intel value.


  16. by Donna on February 6, 2023 9:38 am

    od - You posted "I looked at the tracker and matched that up with bases."

    The tracker link you posted the link to below that same post is the one I used for my research. It doesn't match up at all with most of those bases you listed (the line of flight depicted came near but not over the base in Missouri,) so I'm puzzled how you could say what you said in that post.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on February 6, 2023 11:00 am
    "Fighter aircraft from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia fired a single missile into the balloon, causing it to crash into the ocean. In terms of some of the specific detail, this was the first available opportunity to successfully bring down this surveillance balloon in a way that would not pose a threat to the safety of Americans, which our military assessed to be the case when it was approximately six nautical miles off our cost.

    There are no indications that any people, including U.S. military personnel, civilian aircraft, or maritime vessels were harmed in any way. While we work to execute this plan to bring down successfully over U.S. territorial waters, we also took immediate steps to protect against the balloon's collection of sensitive information, mitigating its intelligence value to the PRC.

    Shooting the balloon down addressed the surveillance threat posed to military installations and further neutralized any intelligence value it could have produced, preventing it from returning to the PRC. In addition, shooting the balloon down could enable the U.S. to recover sensitive PRC equipment.

    I would also note that while we took all necessary steps to protect against the PRC surveillance balloon's collection of sensitive information, the surveillance balloon's overflight of U.S. territory was of intelligence value to us. I can't go into more detail, but we were able to study and scrutinize the balloon and its equipment, which has been valuable.

    As Chinese officials have themselves acknowledged, this high-altitude surveillance balloon belonged to the People's Republic of China. The balloon never posed a military or physical threat to the American people. However, its intrusion of our airspace for multiple days was an unacceptable violation of our sovereignty." --DOD
    defense.gov


  18. by oldedude on February 6, 2023 1:52 pm
    "The tracker link you posted the link to below that same post is the one I used for my research. It doesn't match up at all with most of those bases you listed (the line of flight depicted came near but not over the base in Missouri,) so I'm puzzled how you could say what you said in that post."
    You didn't look at either of mine. The one you used was a "projected" view, which was revised. You actually know where Nob Noster is? I'm shocked. But at that altitude it wasn't over the horizon. It wasn't over St Louis, or any of the other bases in the state except for Ft lostinthewoods (Leonardwood). So you went from ALL of the bases you said were wrong, to one. AND had you actually read the post, it was confirmed it went over that base. It was the center of the story, as it is one of the three ICBM groups.

    Sorry. No cigar.


  19. by Ponderer on February 6, 2023 2:25 pm

    Maybe you meant to post another balloon tracker. The only balloon tracker link you posted is the one I had already looked at at heavy.com. You posted that link twice in the same thread, followed by a link to information about surviving an EMP attack, which didn't include a balloon tracker.

    I admit that I don't know where "Nob Noster" is. That was the first time you mentioned it.


  20. by Donna on February 6, 2023 2:26 pm

    That ^ was mine.


  21. by Donna on February 6, 2023 2:41 pm

    As you're probably aware, the Pentagon hasn't released an official balloon tracker yet.

    The bases you listed in MO were "MO (Whiteman AFB[nuke]) and Ft Leonardwood)".

    I just looked on a map and saw that Nob Noster is about 50 miles ESE of Kansas City. As I said, the line on that tracker we've both looked at looks like it goes near Whiteman AFB, which I've since noticed is where Nob Noster is, and Leonardwood which about 100 miles se of Whiteman AFB. But based on that same tracker, the line doesn't go near any of the other places you mentioned.

    In my follow-up post, I included a link to a balloon tracker pertaining to its movement over Alaska, but again that's not an official balloon tracker. At any rate, that tracker shows a path that doesn't go anywhere near the Alaska bases you listed, but that's all I had to go on.





  22. by Donna on February 6, 2023 2:51 pm

    Here's another balloon tracker that's based on observations:

    fox2now.com


  23. by Curt_Anderson on February 6, 2023 2:59 pm
    Nobody with any connection to the military or the intelligence communities that I've heard interviewed believes that there was any military secrets to be revealed by the balloon, that wasn't already revealed by satellites.

    The general consensus seems to be we will learn more about them by analyzing the balloon and its components than they could learn about us.

    Assuming it's not just drifting with the wind, I'd be interested in knowing how the Chinese navigate the balloon, which appeared to be rudderless.

    Sen=. Marco Rubio said in a tweet: ďThis is not some hot air balloon, it has a large payload of sensors roughly the size of two city buses & the ability to maneuver independentlyĒ


  24. by oldedude on February 6, 2023 3:28 pm
    Donna, it's not the links, the links are the story. The updated map is the URL link.


  25. by Donna on February 6, 2023 3:49 pm

    I don't know what URL link you're referring to. Why don't you go ahead and post it.


  26. by oldedude on February 6, 2023 8:12 pm
    For the THIRD tims...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-chinese-spy-balloons-path-across-north-america/ar-AA17acPN?fullscreen=true&crc=true&cvid=e67a3ee916ec4f0bb72e8a4a454f4987#image=1I%20a


  27. by Donna on February 7, 2023 7:42 am

    Thank you.

    I just re-read all of your previous posts on this thread. I think you may have attempted to post that in post # 15 on this thread, but it didn't display. Other than that attempt, I don't see any other post you made that includes that msn link you just posted. If I'm wrong, show me where you posted that msn link twice before.


  28. by oldedude on February 7, 2023 8:12 am
    #7 and 15. This time I put it in the citation. The link on mine didn't show properly, but worked. So on your end it may have not shown at all.

    Also, I just remembered you're usually on your phone. I've been able to pull it up on my computer. Hopefully this helps.
    twitter.com


  29. by Donna on February 7, 2023 3:07 pm

    Those pics on #7, 15 didn't show on my phone or desktop - just got blank squares.

    I looked at the Twitter pic. It says it shows the "predicted path".

    Who knows what it was. The Pentagon hasn't seemed concerned about the ones that happened during Trump or Biden. I think the only reason Biden ordered it shot down was to appease critics.

    We'll probably never be told the truth about them.


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