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A Fourth Batch: Lawyers found more classified documents at Joe Bidenís home
By HatetheSwamp
January 14, 2023 9:24 am
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White House lawyer Richard Sauber said in a statement that a total of six pages of classified documents were found during a search of Bidenís private library. The White House had said previously that only a single page was found there.

The latest disclosure is in addition to the discovery of documents found in December in Bidenís garage and in November at his former offices at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, from his time as vice president. The apparent mishandling of classified documents and official records from the Obama administration are under investigation by a former U.S. attorney, Robert Hur, who was appointed as a special counsel on Thursday by Attorney General Merrick Garland.


The man's an irresponsible, demented buffoon. Remember his sanctimonious and condescending comment about Trump in that 60 Minutes interview.

It's time that the Swamp stops allowing Clouseau's attorneys to search for the documents he's squirrel away. This might go on for months! Who knows what they'd find in Jill's undies drawer!!!!!?


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Comments on "A Fourth Batch: Lawyers found more classified documents at Joe Bidenís home":

  1. by Donna on January 14, 2023 9:40 am

    IMO Biden has been lying about his knowledge about having those documents all along, but at least he isn't making a big stink about them or obstructing the recovery of them like someone else.



  2. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 9:45 am

    Lying but not obstructing? I think that's an oxymoron.


  3. by Donna on January 14, 2023 9:49 am

    Lying about not having any knowledge of having them is in no way obstructing the recovery of them.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 9:57 am

    I'm not following you. So, he knew about the fourth batch, but didn't reveal it and is not obstructing? And, a fifth? Sixth?...


  5. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 10:09 am
    HtS,
    Trump didn't reveal publicly until last August that he had classified documents at Mar-a-Lago even though the NARA requested their return last February. Do you consider his not announcing it publicly obstruction of justice?

    It's not btw. It might be obstruction of the news media. Trump's obstruction of justice was his lying to the FBI (and in the case of Christina Bobb, his attorney, in a sworn affidavit) that he didn't have any.



  6. by Donna on January 14, 2023 10:13 am

    Well he's demented, you know... at least that's what you've been assuring everyone for several years.

    He probably can't remember where they all are. If that's considered obstruction, it's a very passive form, and I doubt that legally speaking it constitutes obstruction. Maybe one of our resident legal experts can enlighten us on this.




  7. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 10:29 am
    Donna,
    I am no legal expert, but I know that lying in most situations is not a crime. Lying to the FBI, to the police, on the witness stand and on a list of ingredients label are some of the exceptions. Lying to the public is not obstruction of justice or any sort of crime. Certainly not saying something which could be construed as lying by omission is not a crime.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 10:31 am

    It's not btw.

    Curt,

    I don't know what you're referring to.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 10:41 am
    HtS,
    I referred to this:
    "Trump didn't reveal publicly until last August that he had classified documents at Mar-a-Lago even though the NARA requested their return last February. Do you consider his not announcing it publicly obstruction of justice?"

    Trump's months long lack of a public admission is not obstruction of justice. His public lies about that or any other topic is not an obstruction of justice. It's when he lies to law enforcement that he is obstructing justice.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 11:40 am

    Curt,

    I don't see how that's relevant to the continuing discoveries of multiple tranches of Biden swiped documents.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 11:56 am
    It's relevant to Donna's statement, "lying about not having any knowledge of having them is in no way obstructing the recovery of them" and your comment "lying but not obstructing? I think that's an oxymoron."

    There is no evidence that Biden or his team have lied or anyway obstructed the return of classified documents. It seems they are doing a thorough search through Biden's files and immediately informing the DOJ and NARA of anything they find---even though nobody seems to have know these documents were missing.

    I can imagine that other politicians in the same circumstance would put the classified documents through a paper shredder and simply never mention it.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 12:16 pm

    Righto.

    It seems to me that Clouseau's vulnerability is in the fact that he "secured" Top Secret Classified Documents in his garage, beside his Corvette, that the Penn Biden Center batch was moved at least twice (It's going to be difficult to splain how that was an innocent error.), and most importantly,...

    ...what the content of the documents might have been. If they have anything to do with Hunter's questionable financial escapades in Ukraine, or China.

    From what I've learned, much of what Trump kept, amounts to trophies and momentos of his White House years. There may be some nefarious connected to Joe's documents. I'll see. And,...so will you.

    At best, Joe's going to be proved to be criminally sloppy. Even then, his supporters' best argument is that he really is only a "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap." Not much political future in that, eh?


  13. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 12:35 pm
    Do you seriously think that Biden, or Trump for that matter, does his own packing, moving and unpacking?

    My wife is currently doing some housecleaning and going through our old computer discs including mine that I've long forgotten about. Under the threat of torture I couldn't tell you what's on most of them even though they are labeled. We have an external disc reader if I was really curious. Whenever she asks if I want to save any of them, I reply I have not needed to use them in a decade or more, so toss them.

    Not knowing all the documents that are in boxes of files is credible. It's more likely that Trump was aware (and evidently proud) of what he considered momentos and trophies.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 12:43 pm

    Do you seriously think that Biden, or Trump for that matter, does his own packing, moving and unpacking?

    I have no doubt that both said, "Be sure to take that stack. I want to be certain that we take it along."


  15. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 12:50 pm
    I very much doubt it. It's been a long time since I moved, but when I did it was a matter of emptying the place and taking everything but the doorknobs, curtains and switch plates. I certainly didn't say "take this pile of papers but leave this pile."


  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 12:55 pm

    How could Trump have ended up with the pile of documents he wouldn't give up if he didn't direct their gathering?


  17. by Ponderer on January 14, 2023 1:05 pm

    I agree with Hts.

    As for Trump, it's obvious from his own statements and actions. As for Biden, it's anyone's guess, but I would think that taking classified documents home with you without prior authorization, especially when you're leaving office would be something you'd be careful not to do because it's a felony. Comparing the handling of classified documents to stuff the average person has lying around the house is hardly an equitable comparison.




  18. by Donna on January 14, 2023 1:06 pm

    Oops, that ^ was mine.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on January 14, 2023 1:18 pm

    I agree with Hts.

    Wow. I passed out briefly. Realizing that that was Donna, not po, I think I'll be fine.


  20. by Curt_Anderson on January 14, 2023 1:35 pm
    When a presidential administration leaves office itís a hectic affair. Usually the old prez and veep attend their successorís inauguration while staffers frantically pack everything up. Of course in Trumpís case he left office a few days early and skipped Bidenís inauguration.

    So, no, I donít believe Trump or Biden supervised their moves.


  21. by oldedude on January 14, 2023 8:06 pm
    Curt- I think you're correct about that they didn't supervise the packing. The issue is they're RESPONSIBLE for these documents. My question is still, "Why would you just have classified documents hanging around?" That makes no sense to me. It would make sense if you had a vault or safe with a box in it that was marked. One of the staff should have picked that up before the movers got there and had control of it. If it's not marked, then you have the exact problem we see here.


  22. by Donna on January 15, 2023 6:27 am

    Exactly od.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on January 15, 2023 6:47 am

    OD, Donna,

    My guess is that, with Trump, there was intentionality. The documents he had at Mar-a-Lago were there because he wanted them there.

    I'm of two minds with "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap." Is it that Clouseau was merely incompetent and these documents were inadvertently swiped...and, in the case of the Penn documents, moved from place to place? In any case, ignorance is no defense. Or, knowing what we know about Hunter and the Big Guy and Ukraine and China could there be intentionality...and evil and criminal intent to make Trump seem like Pope Francis?

    I'm 50/50 on Joe.


  24. by oldedude on January 15, 2023 7:26 am
    Third option. Joe wasn't in his dementia much as VP, maybe some sundowners. He squirreled away the documents that pedojr needed for his "work." or were maybe documents that linked them. Which I find a little strange because all these docs have a paper/electro trail linked to them by subject and number. I don't understand how you can "bury" something by taking them. The other option is that you wanted to prove the other side was doing something they said they weren't. Or lying about something and that classified information was proof, and this was going to be brought up later in either trial or as blackmail.

    So pedojoe can either play senile, or he can play the game. Either way, it's not a defense. If he says he's senile, he'll be out of office, never to return. If he claims it, he'll have to go through that.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on January 15, 2023 7:48 am

    I think you're close to the truth, OD. Having followed both parents all the way to the end of dementia, my guess is that Clouseau was probably in the early stages while he was still Veep. He certainly would have been capable, under the law, of being guilty of planning and committing a crime.

    On thing Brit Hume is always quick to point out, when Big Guy issues or other Biden dastardly deeds are in the conversation, is that Joe never was the sharpest knife in the drawer. If what Tony Bobulinski says about the import of the laptop is even 50% true, Joe's been bent for a looooooooong time.


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