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Contrary to Curts Popular Belief, Fentanyl is not Always a "Choice
By oldedude
December 24, 2022 10:15 am
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This is what I was thinking when Curt said Fentanyl use is "optional." It's kind of old, but it wasn't shared earlier, so I decided to.

Officer on a routine traffic stop (Okay, there is no such thing as a Police Officer, but here goes).

The number of deaths due to drug overuse has increased rapidly in the last few years. The American teenage population is at the most risk. According to a report, deaths due to opioid overdose have increased by 94% between the age group of 14 to 18 years.

According to the DEA, these drugs are mass-produced at hideaway factories in Mexico. These factories come under Sinaloa and Jalisco drug cartels.

Due to Fentanyl, over 100,000 Americans have lost their lives in the past 2 years.

In the last one year, the drug agency has also sized up 131,000 ln of methamphetamine, Cocaine worth 444,000lb, and more than 4300 lb of heroin.

This is a danger in every jurisdiction. Other than losing more people than we did in VietNam, this is a major reason to secure the border and stop this. I can't for the life of me figure out why curt doesn't think this is an issue.

"On December 13, around midnight, Officer Bannick conducted a traffic stop and found various narcotics and paraphernalia, inside the vehicle and on the vehicle’s occupants.

She followed the proper protocols: protecting herself against exposure by wearing gloves and utilizing personal protective equipment, the police department stated. Yet narcotic exposure was facilitated by high winds.

Before the occupants were transported to Lake County Jail, officer Bannick keyed up on her radio, and Corporal O’Shea, with the department, recognized that her voice sounded different. She was breathless and choking.

When Corporal O’Shea went to Officer Bannick’s vehicle to check on her, he found her slipping in and out of consciousness. It was clear she needed immediate medical assistance, so he and two other officers, Sergeant Mahaney and Lieutenant Brown, took action.

Dramatic body camera footage at the scene shows Bannick lying on the sidewalk with the officers retrieving NARCAN from a police cruiser, administering the drug, and rendering first aid.

They gave Officer Bannick three doses of NARCAN as she phased in and out of consciousness, becoming “unresponsive and lifeless” multiple times as they awaited EMS.

NARCAN is an overdose reversal drug that law enforcement agents keep on hand and apply in case of coming in contact with powerful narcotics like fentanyl."

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on December 24, 2022 10:53 am
    Good point. In addition to the estimated 70,000 fentanyl dead users annually and the unknown number of not dead users, at least one “user” ingested fentanyl accidentally. Of course, the officer knew the risks of exposure and chose to accept the risk as part of the job.

  2. by oldedude on December 24, 2022 3:23 pm
    And she complied with all the safety precautions.
    You don't have a heart, do you? If it were your son, would it be the same? What we know is that she came in contact with dollar bills. That was what almost killed her.

    So Law Enforcement all over the US thank you for your complete lack of support.

  3. by Curt_Anderson on December 24, 2022 5:01 pm
    I produced one law enforcement officer. That should count as support. How many have you produced?

    I even insisted that my son apply for a park patrol job when he was in high school. That summer job ultimately led him to his interest and love of police work.

    I do recall saying that nobody is forced to buy illegal opioids or maybe I specified fentanyl. I stand by that.

    I remember when the GOP was the party of personal responsibility. I liked them better then. "Just say no" wasn't a terrible idea. If there were not Americans choosing to pay for fentanyl, Mexicans and other drug dealers wouldn't be selling it.

  4. by oldedude on December 24, 2022 5:19 pm
    I produced two in the military and between us all, we did about 12 combat tours. They have seven Purple Hearts between them.
    I worked gang and counter-drug taskforces for 25 years while I was in the reserves. I find your lack of concern regarding your son and the others disdainful.

    And you don't give a sht about the officers on the street. I talked about it once, and I also stand by that. Thanks for proving my point once again.

  5. by Curt_Anderson on December 24, 2022 6:05 pm
    We dissuaded our son from a military career. We didn't want him to be what George Patton called a "poor dumb bastard". Especially when our military since WWII has often been of questionable value to our national interest--especially in retrospect.

    I reject your notion that I don't care about the cop on the street. I have attended two police graduation ceremonies and one funeral for a fallen officer. I also paid for my son's criminology degree.

  6. by oldedude on December 24, 2022 8:16 pm
    I'm not going to mention what you think of the military. I'd get thrown out of this site, which honestly may not be horrible. Anyone that has ever served in the military is 10 times better than you. You are the epitome of a "delicate" "man". It's interesting that the veterans are doing the same work they do for themselves, as work they do for police, EMTs, Firefighters, etc. We do that because we all are taking the same risks. We die doing our job. WE recognize them as brothers and sisters. You see them as piles of sht.

    So you've gone to graduations or burials. Do you remember their names? or were they just fodder or feces to you. What you just said is THE most disrespectful thing I've heard from the "father" (I'm questioning that) of a police officer. It comes down to supporting them against the people trying to murder them (you know, the ones you support). I think what you said is sickening.

    I will tell you that you're not changing my mind on this. EVERY officer that falls is worthy of my notice. If it's an officer on a traffic stop or your son getting gunned down in a house. They deserve MY respect. As do the military members being murdered by your butties, the Taliban. Again, when you get off your spreadsheet, you can talk about this. Hopefully, it's before your son is the one (if he exists) we're grieving.

  7. by oldedude on December 24, 2022 8:47 pm
    There are several "officer overdoses" but curt continually bleats the lefist drum (good boy, good little NAZI, oh, youaresuchagoodboy) about these being a lie. So you think they're nothing but posers? You're proving yourself an enemy to all police, EMS, and MIL.

    The first vid is another street cop that didn't sign up to being murdered by fentanyl. Anything past that is how to bleat in unison. All of these officers are LYING. You should believe curt, over his son and other law enforcement officers.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on December 24, 2022 9:18 pm
    I am guessing you have some point to make here. Do cops ingest fentanyl accidentally? Sure. Kids probably eat it accidentally or unknowingly too. What's your point?

    I am not in favor of legalizing fentanyl. I also am not willing to give the 99.9% who intentionally buy and use fentanyl a pass or much sympathy. The fact that they are buying fentanyl is the reason that dealers smuggle and sell it.

    You seem inordinately protective of fentanyl users. Is it because the biggest share of fentanyl users tend to be white males 25 to 35 years old living in small towns and rural areas? In other words, the sort of people likely to be Republicans.

    A border wall or even an army standing shoulder-to-shoulder guarding the border wouldn't impact on the smuggling of fentanyl into America. Traffickers use commercial maritime vessels to smuggle sizable quantities of drugs into the United States. Traffickers often hide drugs among legitimate cargo in maritime containers, a fraction of which are inspected.

  9. by oldedude on December 24, 2022 9:34 pm
    "You seem inordinately protective of fentanyl users."
    You're pulling my balls, right?
    NO. I want the fentanyl world to be eradicated from the earth. I honestly don't care how it's done. And that's saying a lot (I've given you a glimpse of what I consider "Eradication." Eradicate a village of cartel folks? Sure. I'm up. I really thought that was VERY clear.

    AND, most of the fentanyl now is being brought in by the southwest border. You need to get new information. If you look, your citings are Trump era, where the cartels were forced to look at this a different way. so they chose china directly to the US aboard shipping lanes.

  10. by Donna on December 24, 2022 10:31 pm

    Good grief, od, lighten up! It's Christmas for Christ's sake.

  11. by Curt_Anderson on December 24, 2022 11:39 pm
    You might have a point there.

    On the other hand, don’t you think that the Three Wise Men probably argued on Christmas Eve? They probably said things like:
    Whose idea was it to go out in the middle of winter on a camel?
    Are you sure we are supposed to be following THAT star?
    I’ve had enough, let’s just stop with the next manger we see.
    Gold sure, but what’s a family supposed to do with frankincense and myrrh?

    Merry Christmas to all!

  12. by HatetheSwamp on December 25, 2022 3:41 am

    pb did fentanyl once. In the hospital. In the recovery room. After I returned to consciousness, a nurse would walk by periodically and say, "Breathe, Mr. Sloat." Turns out, I could have suffocated several times. And, that was with a carefully calculated therapeutic dose. BTW, it aced the pain.

  13. by Donna on December 25, 2022 8:34 am

    LOL Curt!

    Speaking of the Star of Bethlehem, if it existed, it was a UAP.

    Btw, NASA just changed the meaning of UAP from Unidentified Aerial Phenomena to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, which is a broader term, but actually more correct.

    I'm happy you pulled through, Bill.

    I wish you all a pleasant Christmas.

  14. by Donna on December 26, 2022 9:05 am

    "We dissuaded our son from a military career. We didn't want him to be what George Patton called a "poor dumb bastard". Especially when our military since WWII has often been of questionable value to our national interest--especially in retrospect." - Curt

    Good move Curt.

    I was the first person in my family (including siblings, uncles and first cousins) to not enlist in the military, and only one younger than me, a first cousin, enlisted, but he only spent a few years in the army and got out. Knowing him, I think he was trying to please his dad. I felt no pressure whatsoever from my dad or my older brothers to enlist.

    And I'm so glad that I made that decision.

    US Military 'Downplayed' the Number of Soldiers Exposed to 'Forever Chemicals'

    A Pentagon report that aims to assess the scope of PFAS chemical exposure on its bases, as well as health threats posed to service members, estimated about 175,000 troops across 24 facilities had drunk contaminated water.

    But an analysis of the military’s report by the Environmental Working Group (EWG), a non-profit that tracks PFAS pollution, found the numbers are probably much higher and could top more than 640,000 people across 116 bases, and potentially even millions of people when past service members are factored in.

    Moreover, the report seemed to omit health issues linked to PFAS exposure, such as kidney disease, testicular cancer and fetal effects. The overall report is “frustrating”, said Scott Faber, senior vice-president of government affairs with EWG.

    “The Department of Defense is trying to downplay these risks rather than aggressively seeking to notify service members and clean up its legacy pollution,” he said. “It has long history of looking the other way when it comes to PFAS pollution.”

    The DoD did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    It is unclear what’s next for the report. Congress has ordered the DoD to phase out firefighting foam that uses PFAS by October 2023, and develop a cleanup plan. The military already missed a deadline to submit a cleanup plan to Congress, but Faber noted it has new political leadership in place, and the Biden administration has been more serious about addressing PFAS contamination than Trump.

  15. by oldedude on December 26, 2022 1:00 pm
    It's extremely evident that neither of you served, and neither of you (curt especially) has any care for a larger good.

    My folks were a lot like you two. They wouldn't sign for me to go in early, so I just waited and joined on my own. They had a hard time with it until the late '70's, when the job market fell apart. By then, I was stationed in Germany making pretty good money with health care, housing, education benefits, spoke German, and had the ability to travel. Then, they considered me really smart. That was when the steel mill closed and so did the packing plant, so there were no jobs in my hometown.

    I got to experience things that most people pay to see. I've lived on three continents (other than North America), saw a few of the ancient wonders of the world, met Bob Hope, toured Notre Dame, ran a marathon in Paris, saw the changing of the guard, not to mention a guy(?) dressed as Rocky Horror in the theater district in London, toured Dachau, stayed at The Edelweiss hotel reserved for high-ranking German officers in WWII, and overall experienced cultures in a way that most people never will.

    The health issues donna brought up boil down to money. Pure and simple. The VA is set up to refuse treatment to save money. It takes a lawsuit for them to do something because they need the money allocated in the budget before they can take care of the issue.

  16. by oldedude on December 26, 2022 9:28 pm
    ""We dissuaded our son from a military career. We didn't want him to be what George Patton called a "poor dumb bastard". Especially when our military since WWII has often been of questionable value to our national interest--especially in retrospect." - Curt"

    I've been trying to figure this out. First, you're blaming the military for the operations politicians put them in. The military doesn't have the ability to make their own wars. They can only do and go with what the politicians give them.

    The "poor dumb bastard" speech. Wow, what a f'ing snowflake. Talk about a 'delicate man.'

    Although Patton hurt the "feelings' of "sensitive" "men," the people that worked for him had a lot of respect for him. It was a love/hate relationship as my uncle who served in the 3rd Armor under Patton said. He pushed his men to the brink, and most of the time more. But they knew his tactics were extremely sound and he was much better regarded than any of the british generals, and most of the American generals by his men. Did he have an ego? absolutely.

  17. by Curt_Anderson on December 26, 2022 9:54 pm
    "First, you're blaming the military for the operations politicians put them in." --OD

    No, I am not. The military is not to be blamed, certainly not the privates and the lower-rank personnel who Patton called the "poor dumb bastards". They are the victims of the operations that politicians and/or the brass put them into. I didn't want my son to be victim of somebody else's decisions.

    As a cop my son decides whose a bad guy and how to address the situation--often in a split second. If he ever has to shoot somebody it'll be his decision not some politician's.

  18. by oldedude on December 27, 2022 7:11 am
    "They are the victims of the operations that politicians and/or the brass put them into. I didn't want my son to be victim of somebody else's decisions."

    obomber charged and imprisoned people those protecting themselves and others at the whim of the Taliban. "the brass" cannot make their own rules. They are obliged to follow the orders of the "president."

    AND as we've seen over and over again, day to day operations are picked by politically motivated persons. Not holding violent offenders, so they are allowed to continually pray on the citizenry for example. Officers being treated like they're the scourge while murderers and rapists are the "victims" of the police. This is why NYC, LA, Chicago, et al, can't find officers anymore.

    Wherever you go, in whatever you choose, there will always be "others" in charge. Even in a small business, the tax and city, county, and state agencies tell you what you can and cannot do.

    Geraldo once looked up what it legally took to have a lemonade stand. It took him 9 months to get all the permits, he had to have a health certificate and to be aware of no-notice inspections and an office for the inspector. He also had to have a fire extinguisher.

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