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NPR interview from rural Afghanistan illustrates why our presence there was a fool's errand.

By Curt_Anderson
August 15, 2022 5:08 pm
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You will never convince people like this Afghani that democracy is worth having much less fighting for. --CA

What did Afghans gain — and lose — in a region that supported the Taliban?

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST: The way the Taliban takeover looks depends on where you are in Afghanistan. We looked at the aftermath in an area where many people fought for the Taliban.

You see one side of Afghanistan here in Kabul, a city of millions with crowded streets and neighborhoods that go up the sides of a mountain valley. We're heading to see a different side of Afghanistan, though, rural Afghanistan, where the conditions and the politics are very different...

...INSKEEP: The desert sun was beating down, so we sat on the covered porch of a little white mosque by the cemetery.

When the Americans came and then stayed, they talked about democracy and freedom for Afghanistan. Does democracy mean anything to you?

MORSALIN: (Speaking Pashto).

INSKEEP: He said, "democracy comes from man, and Islam comes from God, so Islam is better." The idea that democracy and Islam could be compatible, that the old Afghan government was an Islamic republic was not the way that he thought about it.


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  1. by Donna on August 15, 2022 6:55 pm
    No one will ever convince me that the American proponents of that occupation didn't always know damned well that democracy would never take hold there. It was always about setting up and maintaining a client state to control and profit from Afghanistan's vast resources while preventing anti-American groups from launching terrorist operations from there.


  2. by oldedude on August 15, 2022 7:13 pm
    donna,
    I agree with your first sentence. I didn't bother to read the rest.

    Biden lied in one month, more than pedojoe lied in his entire career.
    "we won't leave until all Americans are out!"
    "Afghanistan will not become a Taliban or al Qu'ada stronghold" "Let me say that again." "never"
    etcetcetc


  3. by oldedude on August 15, 2022 7:14 pm
    And since you had really no skin in that game, just like Curt or isle, You don't give a shit about any of those who did. They, just like the construction workers, are nothing but worthless animals to you.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on August 15, 2022 7:36 pm
    There are between 100 and 200 American citizens (many with dual citizenship) left in Afghanistan and it seems that most of them are not willing to depart from the country just yet, mostly due to the fact that their families are rooted there.

    I am friends with an Afghanistan native. She's married to a good friend of mine. She is a highly educated professional. I've met her father. We attend the same social events. Her brother still lives in Afghanistan. He's an architect and works all over the country. He is employed by a German firm and flies back and forth to Germany regularly.
    afghanembassy.us


  5. by oldedude on August 15, 2022 8:14 pm
    First, I'm going to call you on this. If they are really from Afghanistan, I I really doubt if the "woman" from Afghanistan would talk to you directly. If so, you are really. really. assuming a lot in her culture. You're pretty much calling her a whore to her family. So instead of being the ugly american, you might want to do that a different way.

    Second thing, if she is willing to... Tell her you want to watch "Osama" and ask her to translate for you. Key here is the old guy at the last 1/3 of the movie. He does stuff that you need to know about. Same thing in the school before the scene with the tree (maybe a bit after).


  6. by oldedude on August 15, 2022 8:20 pm
    Also, as always, as things change, I would update with errors or differences in what happens.

    Curt- FOXNews actually has the imbedded reporter who reported in Kabul. The reporting was immaterial. So it is more than NPR.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on August 15, 2022 8:26 pm
    I don't even know her religion if any. She certainly doesn't wear hajib or any sort of scarf. She barely has an accent. She's lived and worked in the US for years. She not only talks with me and my male friends, she teaches online classes to students around the world.

    I won't insult her by asking her to watch "Osama". She's not responsible for everybody and everything that ever happened in the middle east.


  8. by oldedude on August 15, 2022 8:56 pm
    You're just a dick. The fact is, that it was written by Afghans, produced by Afghans, Acted by Afghans, and is actually in (I think) in Pashto. If you're that much of an isolated ugly american, then I pity you.


  9. by oldedude on August 16, 2022 4:52 am
    The idea is there are many things we don't understand about what is happening in the movie. We had one of our terps walk us through. Much more interesting if you understand some of the little things they put in that have a lot of significance.


  10. by Donna on August 16, 2022 7:57 am
    I'm so tired of your hostility and your annoying habit of telling others what they "really think". You're so off-base.


  11. by oldedude on August 16, 2022 7:10 pm
    Curt- other than relentlessly supporting pedojoe, what is your skin in this game? So you "know" a woman from Afghanistan. Great. I don't understand your connection with people you hate? It doesn't make sense to me. I mean I'm sure you don't buy the weekly mags to see if you know anyone that ended up being put in a shoe box to be buried. And you don't go to anyone's funeral... so you hate the one's that lived, but count the one's that died... I just don't get it unless that you just want to make a political point. Which is pretty heartless and sad for those people that you would use them like that.


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