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How the Dems may benefit, short-term, because the GOP is the new home of openness and inclusion

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August 6, 2022 7:08 am
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Boebert to take shot across GOP leadership's bow in CPAC speech: 'Disappointed too many times'


EXCLUSIVE Ė Freedom Caucus Rep. Lauren Boebert is expected to send a shot across the bow of House Republican leadership in her Saturday CPAC speech, demanding a potential GOP majority aggressively enact several conservative priorities.

The remarks suggest she may withhold support from Republicans seeking election to the House leadership should Republicans win the majority, including current Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy, who plans to run for speaker

"I wish I could tell you that I had full faith in GOP leadership in both the House and Senate to defund the deep state and to hold the Biden regime accountable," she's expected to say. "But I donít. Iíve been disappointed too many times.

"House Republicans must stop funding tyranny. I will not vote to fund a government that mandates the COVID vaccine while allowing our country to be invaded by millions of unvaccinated aliens. End the vax mandate for our hospital workers and service members, build the wall or Iím voting to shut down Bidenís bureaucrats."

The Freedom Caucus will wield a lot more leverage if the GOP is in the majority. And Boebert is expected on Saturday to take a veiled shot at top Republicans, like McCarthy, R-Calif., demanding support in implementing the Freedom Caucus' priority policies.


Long article. These are highlights.

Bottom line. All the energy and chaos...and acceptance and openness and tolerance and inclusion in American politics these days is with the GOPs. Fresh, opposing ideas are welcome here. The GOP culture encourages diversity...DEMANDS it.

Does that create political vulnerability since the Dems cling to their strict orthodoxy as if they are replicating Stalinism in the USSR.

Still, pb will embrace the joi de vivre among the GOP!

Oh, and do you wonder why Fox's ratings now are higher than MSNBC and CNN combined? Fox participates in the GOP openness and chaos.


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  1. by oldedude on August 6, 2022 8:44 am
    One of the more interesting things at CPAC in Orlando, was the number of groups that had booths and were very open about who they were. Gay coalition, lots of student groups, one that was agnostic. Whenever a speaker spoke to these groups, there was a general ovation for the groups. I think it's the ideas in the platform. Even if I wasn't a Trump supporter, people were still willing to ask why to DISCUSS the differences. I also got to meet Boebert. She's pretty small, but but her beliefs are well engrained. When she spoke, she talked about being homeless for awhile. And about how that really made her look at how her life was going. Her stand on 2A comes from a personal side also. She's all of 5'2" (maybe) and takes her decision to protect herself seriously. Basically, she isn't a victim in her own life. That is a huge piece of being a conservative. It's also a reason why the Latinos and Asians are switching over. They're tired of being told they're too stupid to take control of their lives.


  2. by Donna on August 6, 2022 8:59 am
    Yeah, I have to hand it to the Grand Ole Party. They're so open and accepting, they welcome and accept White supremacists and Nazis!

    Of course the Dems are just as open and accepting. I mean no political party is going to shoo away voters, right? The thing is, though, unlike with the Grand Ole Party, White supremacists and Nazis never vote or register Democrat. There's a reason for that, you know.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2022 10:55 am

    The absolute, undeniable truth about the two parties, Donna, is that people like you have a voice among the GOPs. People like pb are sneered at in the Dem world.

    Remember Bette Midler's hate for the people of West Virginia...until, of course, Joe Manchin submitted.

    The two parties ain't alike.

    And, you've made it clear that you're groovy with tyranny, submitting to a harsh orthodoxy that would the women on the lowest level of AL Qaeda chafe.

    And, that's fine. It's your choice.

    We? We'll opt for freedom and acceptance and inclusion.


  4. by Donna on August 6, 2022 11:10 am
    I don't understand your point, which you've been trying to make for a long time.

    What exactly do you mean by "People like pb"?


  5. by oldedude on August 6, 2022 4:57 pm
    As you blame Lead for wanting to fight, you might want to take a step back. My hope is that I never become as bitter and hateful as you are. I couldn't live like that.


  6. by Donna on August 6, 2022 5:01 pm
    Maybe you can tell me what Hts meant by that, od. He's apparently unable to explain himself.


  7. by oldedude on August 6, 2022 5:11 pm
    I think it was pretty well laid out. What he likes, and what you like.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on August 7, 2022 3:45 am

    Donna,

    By "someone like pb," pb means someone who is assertively unwoke and who supports the Dobbs decision and the NY 2nd Amendment decision and who thinks that President Biden is incompetent and who believes in the historic definition of family, i.e., one biological man and one biological woman...for starters.

    Because, the GOP welcomes people who are pro-choice and who support a wide variety of regulations on firearms. Certainly, you know that many GOPs opposed Trump during his presidency. And, as you know...as OD pointed out...LGBT people are welcomed, seamlessly, into the GOP as the recent hiring of Caitlin Jenner as a Fox News contributor and the promotion of that openly gay Guy Curt's never heard of as the star of Fox News Radio prove.

    Now, c'mon, Donna, gimme a break. You know all of these facts. Yours is an issue of the heart.

    You, for whatever reason...I don't know, I don't claim omniscience...you prefer the harsh Stalinesque rigid orthodoxy of the the mandate foisting lock down luvin tyranny of the Dems.

    But, make no mistake. I know you know that the GOP is the party of openness and inclusion and acceptance and tolerance. Still, you refuse to accept that reality.


  9. by Donna on August 7, 2022 10:32 am
    So according to you, thd Democrats aren't welcoming to people who

    - aren't "woke"

    - opposed Roe v Wade

    - support the right to bear arms in public

    - think that President Biden is incompetent

    - believe "in the historical definition of a family", IOW a family headed by a biological male and female.

    ***

    The fact is, there are registered Democrats who

    - don't describe themselves as "woke"

    - were opposed to Roe v Wade

    - support the right to bear arms publicly

    - think that Presiden Biden is incompetent, and/or

    - believe in the traditional family, headed by a biological male and female,

    but they choose to be affiliated with the Democrats for other reasons, like perhaps they support universal healthcare, or a strong social safety net, or labor unions, or legalizing marijuana, or raising the minimum wage, or they perceive the Democrats as being stronger on equal rights for LGBTQ+ people without supporting "woke" ideas like transwomen athletes competing with ciswomen or changing pronouns.

    If you're saying that the Democrats don't welcome people like yourself who support all of the items on your "people like pb" list, I don't think it's a matter of not "welcoming" the pb's, but that pb's wouldn't want to join the Democratic Party because the party generally doesn't advocate for any of those ideas.

    I could just as easily say that the Republican Party isn't welcoming to the Donnas, who are people who support universal healthcare, a strong social safety net, labor unions, legalizing marijuana, raising the minimum wage, and equal rights for LGBTQ+ people minus the more extreme positions. That's where your thesis falls apart.

    All political parties will welcome anyone who wants to become a member, Hts. No party is any more inclusive as the next. It's up to the citizen to choose what party they want to become affiliated with, which is based on the parties' support of the positions that are most important to them.

    Interestingly there are more registered independents than members of either political party. In fact I've been a registered independent most of my life.



  10. by oldedude on August 7, 2022 2:06 pm
    30 years ago, many dims were union members. They were "told" who to vote for. I remember my father-in-law steel worker showing us his "ballot." Each position had only one name on it. The one he was to vote for. Now the unions are fractured. The FOP isn't supporting dims much. UAW is going to start voting GOP (I'll do a thread later). That just didn't happen when I was growing up.

    So now, look at the platform. Conservatives are counter-woke. anti teachers union, and pro-parenting. They believe parents have a right and obligation to absolutely know what their children are learning in school. They support smaller government and study the Constitution. They believe in three distinct branches of government, each one has a purpose, and they are counterbalances to the other two. They are pro conservative spending, pro police and military, the LGBTQ+ no one cares either way. But why in the fuck do we have new pronouns? That's just stupid.

    They believe the American Dream is on the individual, not the government (thus the rapid increase in Latino, Asian, and Black conservatives). They believe that raising the minimum wage will increase prices (again, minorities with small businesses know this the most). They believe the safety net is not the governments duty according to the constitution. It may be in other countries, but not under our constitution.

    They believe there are true victims. They are victims of rape, murder, fraud and other crimes. The perps that victimize others are not victims.

    They believe the "green new deal" will kill America without having a transition plan. Universal healthcare is for people too stupid or lazy to make their own decisions about their own body, and they don't trust the government with their bodies.

    Again, if other countries have these things and it works? Fine. OUR constitution is set up different. It is the antithesis of the constitution of most other countries.


  11. by Donna on August 7, 2022 7:45 pm
    Actually red states receive more money from the federal government mithan blue states. California is the 5th largest economy on the planet. It could do fine on its own.


  12. by Donna on August 7, 2022 8:03 pm
    The safety net isn't the government's duty according to the Constitution, but it also isn't disallowed by the the Constitution. That's true for a multitude of things.

    The claim that raising the minimum wage causes inflation is a zombie myth.

    From what you've posted here, it sounds like you and your family would have benefitted greatly if we had a properly funded universal healthcare system. I don't understand why you of all people would poo poo it.


  13. by oldedude on August 7, 2022 8:32 pm
    So if you had ever read the constitution and understood it, you'd see that if it doesn't "allow" it, it's left up to the states. End of conversation.

    2. I don't care if the califorinicators are the 5th largest whatever. If they cant ship anywhere or anything, then they're useless.

    Safety of the general public IS a piece of the constitution.


    "The claim that raising the minimum wage causes inflation is a zombie myth."

    is a myth. You are (supposedly a math expert) if the numbers go up what does that do? You're a fucking moron.

    From what you've posted here, it sounds like you and your family would have benefitted greatly if we had a properly funded universal healthcare system. I don't understand why you of all people would poo poo it.
    No, it was in our contract your government decided to negate.


  14. by Donna on August 7, 2022 10:01 pm
    I'm all for cutting red states off the federal government tit. You live in a red state. Why don't you start a petition to do that?

    In fact I've been a proponent for blue states to secede from the US for many years because I'm sick and tired of them having to carry the red states.




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