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Oath Keepers Leader Is Sentenced to 18 Years in Jan. 6 Sedition Case

By Curt_Anderson
May 25, 2023 2:04 pm
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Let us dispense with the notion that the seditionist were merely patriotic Americans touring the Capitol.

The sentence for Stewart Rhodes was the longest so far in the federal investigation of the Capitol attack and the first issued to a defendant convicted of sedition. The guy who put his feet on Nancy Pelosi’s desk was sentenced to four years yesterday.

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by islander on May 27, 2023 7:00 am

This is excellent news. It's wonderful to see at last that these traitores jerks are being and going to be held accountable.

Marcy Wheeler on her Empty Wheel has and excellent piece on Stewart Rhodes and his well deserved 18 year sentence. 👍

emptywheel.net

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 7:04 am

You probably recall OD and pb denouncing the attack on the Capitol while it was happening. Oddly, we don't recall progressives even feeling uncomfortable about their 020 Summer of Love.

by oldedude on May 27, 2023 7:12 am
They tend to forget about that since all of us look alike. Just like they think about blacks and Latinos.

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 7:16 am

So true, so true!

by islander on May 27, 2023 7:18 am

"Everyone forgets things from time to time whether it’s where you put your keys, what time a meeting was starting, or on which day a party was taking place. Many people have used the term “selective memory” to refer, often critically, to someone who seemingly chooses only what they’d like to remember. However, an individual who genuinely experiences selective amnesia may forget certain significant events or milestones in their lives, such as skills, friendships, relationships, abilities, or even prior traumatic experiences. Selective memory extends beyond typical forgetfulness and may be explained by deeper, more serious issues"

Selective memory that is done "on purpose" is sometimes called a memory of convenience !!
betterhelp.com

by oldedude on May 27, 2023 7:20 am
Didn't cliton do that? "But honey, it was just a blowjob! That's not really sex!" to the utter joy of millions of men.

by Curt_Anderson on May 27, 2023 7:30 am
“ You probably recall OD and pb denouncing the attack on the Capitol while it was happening. Oddly, we don't recall progressives even feeling uncomfortable about their 020 Summer of Love. ” HtS

I am happy you two oppose the attack on our Capitol and our government. Since those rioters were Trump supporters, it’s important for other Trump supporters to denounce them.

The riots occurred in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder. They did not in anyway represent mean.

Nobody comments on every individual property crime or even violent crime. I don’t recall you saying you disagreed with the shooter in Uvalde Texas. Or the guy who held up a convenience store

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 7:30 am

What I remember from those days, isle, is po effin celebrating the incineration of a police precinct, OD being appalled at her, po standing firm...and no one on your side chiding po. If that is selective and inaccurate, feel free to correct me with actual fact.

by oldedude on May 27, 2023 7:34 am
Lead- See? we all look alike to them. If you're a white conservative, automatically you're a trumpster fan!. How racist. Especially when all of them (limousine liberals) support the riots, assassinations of political leaders and SCOTUS members.

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 7:56 am

OD,

Bang on! I'd be angry if their silliness wasn't so amusing. Baha baha baha bahahahahahahahahahaha baha baha baha!

And, dang it!

Notice, for Curt, it's always about Trump.

Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trump Trump Trump Trump...TRUMP!

Bahahahahahahahahahaha baha baha baha!

by islander on May 27, 2023 9:00 am

Along with a memory of convenience, which conveniently forgets certain memories and remembers false memories, a memory of convenience is often used in conjunction with whataboutism.   

Whataboutism: 

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, "whataboutism" is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, "massacres, gulags, and forced deportations" by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc. Whataboutism has been used by other politicians and countries as well. Whataboutism is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often use "and what about you?" style by instancing of an event or situation in the Western world. The idea can be found in Russian language: while it utilizes phrase "Sam takoi" for direct tu quoque-like "you too"; it also has "Sam ne lutche" ("not better") phrase.”

A memory of convenience and whataboutism are tactics commonly used today by internet trolls.

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 9:11 am

And, isle, if you look up."whataboutism" in the dictionary, that sketch, thin, geezerly male?, that's Curt (AKA "Trump Trump Trump Trump")

by Ponderer on May 27, 2023 9:36 am

"What I remember from those days, isle, is po effin celebrating the incineration of a police precinct" -Hate

Well you remember wrong, Bill..

I didn't celebrate it. I said I understood why they did it and supported protestors' actions to totally destroy that particular police facility.

I very rarely support acts of vandalism. But given the heinous and homicidal atrocities that those police officers from that precinct perpetrated on George Floyd and that whole community for years, I felt it was an appropriate form of retaliation and protest. No one was killed or injured and a sufficiently dramatic and serious point was made. So all's good.

by Ponderer on May 27, 2023 9:43 am

Look, the important thing here is that Trump's coup foot soldiers are getting the comeuppance that they so absolutely deserve. Justice is being served and our country and democracy are stronger for it.

Next up on the docket.....

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 10:10 am

Let's be honest. White antiSwamp people are getting a comeuppance. It pretty much stops there.

by Curt_Anderson on May 27, 2023 11:28 am
“ What I remember from those days, isle, is po effin celebrating the incineration of a police precinct, OD being appalled at her, po standing firm...and no one on your side chiding po. If that is selective and inaccurate, feel free to correct me with actual fact.”

In actual fact, I posted in response to ponderer that in addition to it being stupid, wrong and a crime the arson of a police station likely destroyed evidence that might’ve been used against him some very bad people.

by HatetheSwamp on May 27, 2023 11:33 am

Y'know? Now that you mention it, I recall someone posting that. Are you sure it wasn't tuk? Baha baha?

by islander on May 28, 2023 3:54 am

Teri Kanefield gives an excellent account of Timothy McVeigh’s “Defense” and Donald Trump’s Unhinged Letter to Merrick Garland. She also gives us a good glimpse into the minds the Timothy McVeighs, Stewart Rhodes, and others like them.

A very, very, good read !! 👍

by islander on May 28, 2023 3:56 am

If the first link didn't work try this one !
terikanefield.com

by oldedude on May 28, 2023 5:17 am
"In actual fact, I posted in response to ponderer that in addition to it being stupid, wrong and a crime the arson of a police station likely destroyed evidence that might’ve been used against him some very bad people.""

It took me a day, but I also remember that you only looked at the records, not the burning down of a government building. I found it odd at the time but makes perfect sense now. You care about the records, but not if there were either officers or folks in holding cells the rioters didn't know about.

Government buildings are the first step in civil wars. During the summer of Love event police stations, federal buildings (housing DOJ/federal courts/ USAs, etc) were burned. In lieu of federal buildings, local police stations are generally targeted. John Brown attacked an armory (local police/military station) and was the reason he was hung. As did colonists against the british. The battles of Lexington and Concord is a prime example. In these times, insurrections against the governments of Nicaragua, Burma, Congo, Syria, etcetcetc started with government buildings. It's felt when citizens burn them down is the ultimate political statement that the people have taken that area. I don't think this is any different in the sheeple insurrection of 2020. I just don't think they had/have the balls to actually take it on.

by islander on May 28, 2023 6:25 am

This is the way we members of the “Swamp” feel about violence, looting, and vandalism. Although I can support a protest and the reason for the protest, I couldn’t agree more with what James Clyburn said:

---On June 3, Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the majority whip of the House of Representatives, told The Washington Post that the movement for racial justice suffers when it is “hijacked” by violence.

"We have to make sure we do not allow ourselves to play the other person’s game,” Clyburn said. “Peaceful protest is our game. Violence is their game. Purposeful protest is our game. This looting and rioting, that's their game. We cannot allow ourselves to play their game."

Clyburn said he encourages young activists to remember the “purpose” of their efforts: “to make a better country, a better world, for those who must come after us.”
“Breaking out a window will not contribute to that. Setting a fire, throwing stones at police officers, that’s destructive behavior, which will not contribute to anything that will make this a better country and make a better future for our children and our grandchildren,” he said.---

Not only do I condemn the violent Jan 6 attack itself on our Capital, but I condemn the reason for it which was to stop the counting of the electoral votes and overturn the election.

by oldedude on May 28, 2023 8:21 am
"This is the way we members of the “Swamp” feel about violence, looting, and vandalism. Although I can support a protest and the reason for the protest, I couldn’t agree more with what James Clyburn said:"

I think this goes for the sheep as much as it goes to the J6 buttheads. Several cities were left in shambles and the left still claims it was righteous or "nothing really happened" or "it wasn't an 'insurrection' like you did" All of these are bullshit. They were riots and insurrectionists.

On an interesting note. When any other third world shthole country has an insurrection, they don't burn down private residences or places of business. They actually understand who owns these small shops. Their goal is not to burn down the city, it's to take over the government per se.

All y'all need to take the Clyburn's hint for yourselves. And correct your cranial/ rectal inversion.

by Ponderer on May 28, 2023 9:19 am

I suppose that I should apologize for my position on the destruction of that police station. So I do.

Sometimes my sense of empathy for a beleaguered minority can get the better of me. I can't fully grok the hell they are put through in their communities. But what empathy I do have sets my tea kettle to whistlin' when I see something like what happened to George Floyd. Such a disgusting abuse of authority. Such blatant racism. And such lack of caring for human life. And it was only one example of an ongoing situation that community had been dealing with for decades.

Apparently nothing the community had ever tried to get through to the authorities had worked. They were understandably tired of getting randomly murdered in cold blood on the streets. I can only imagine what a very high degree of animosity towards such a willingly deaf authority could build up to in such a situation. To me, the burning of that police station was a measured increase in response that I can only hope got the authority's attention somewhat.

Again, sorry.

by islander on May 28, 2023 9:46 am

I know exactly what you are saying Ponderer and I know just how you feel.

I'm against the death penalty and would never vote for it if I were on a jury but there are some crimes so heinous that I feel the perpetrator deserves it even though, like I said, I would never vote to have the prisoner put to death.

by oldedude on May 28, 2023 10:55 am
But what empathy I do have sets my tea kettle to whistlin' when I see something like what happened to George Floyd. Such a disgusting abuse of authority. Such blatant racism. And such lack of caring for human life.

Po- I honestly don't remember anyone on this site that would disagree with what you just said. The cops that did that are in jail, never to be heard from again. They'll get shanked, brought back to life, be someone's girlfriend and sex slave, traded for a pack of cigs, shanked again, and so it goes for the time they're in. You can see how upset I am about that... They're the ones that need to be culled from the herd. But I don't think it's appropriate to blame all of anything on a few. Short story? We agree on this part.

by HatetheSwamp on May 28, 2023 3:40 pm

Yikes!

po. Over here, we we appalled by what happened to George Floyd. We just didn't understand how riots helped him, or anyone else...

...AND we opposed the Capitol riot while it was going on.

by oldedude on May 28, 2023 5:31 pm
ditto. The two are not mutually exclusive.

by Ponderer on May 29, 2023 10:45 am

"We just didn't understand how riots helped him, or anyone else..." -Hate

Right. I know you don't. As you haven't got even the tiniest shred of basic human empathy whatsoever, there is no way that you could. You are incapable of putting yourself in the shoes of the actual people who these things are happening to. You can't comprehend how anyone could be pushed beyond a breaking point to react in such a way. A way that was not directly going to "help", but was more a direct reaction communicating the level of burned-out, hopeless frustration that the community is dealing with, and the arsonists in particular. I have come a long way from ever expecting you to understand the plight of others.

Unless of course you are directly fed bullshit propaganda designed to play on your abject gullibility. You aren't actually feeling empathy for all those mammas and pappas and meemees and poopoos. You're just using their situation to bolster and justify your bigotry is all.

"...AND we opposed the Capitol riot while it was going on." -Hate

Right. You just don't seem to think that the actual organizer and ringleader of what happened on that day needs to be held accountable for goading those felonious terrorists into it in any way. You don't seem to think that flat-out lying easily manipulated, boundlessly gullible people into acting in such violent ways is no big deal. Heck, you even willingly still believe Trump's flaming bullshit lies about the election being rigged and stolen. As many of your MAGA Republican brethren also still do.

by HatetheSwamp on May 29, 2023 11:30 am

Right. I know you don't. As you haven't got even the tiniest shred of basic human empathy whatsoever, there is no way that you could.

Countless minority own business were destroyed in those riots that you STILL cheer. And, I'm the one who lacks empathy.

You are effin heartless, po.

by Ponderer on May 29, 2023 4:16 pm

"Countless minority own business were destroyed in those riots that you STILL cheer." -Hate

First off, I never "cheered" any of the damage that rioters ever perpetrated so you're lying.

And second, you don't really give a flyingfuck about those business owners other than how you can use their plight as a point in here to debate with. Because you haven't got the tiniest shred of basic human empathy whatsoever.

by HatetheSwamp on May 29, 2023 4:43 pm

po,

You cheered the mayhem. Gleefully. Relentlessly. Not givin a d@ng about who was getting hurt.

by oldedude on May 29, 2023 5:36 pm
And second, you don't really give a flyingfuck about those business owners other than how you can use their plight as a point in here to debate with. Because you haven't got the tiniest shred of basic human empathy whatsoever.

I have mentioned Dorn many times, and it's always met with "so what" or excuses from the sheep. Dorn was trying to save a friend's store. He was shot point blank. This man spent his life saving other people, doing the right thing for the right reason, and the (inclusive) sheeple took no notice of it. I also mentioned another firefighter that put his entire retirement savings into a bar, which was robbed and torched before it opened for the sheeples amusement. Neither of these places had insurance because it's too expensive in these cities (Dorn), or the weren't required insurance because they weren't open yet. The firefighter had to put out the fire in his own business and see the remains of his retirement. These are real stories we've brought up. Each time, it's been "who cares." For two people, Lead and I do care.

by Ponderer on May 29, 2023 7:51 pm

"po,

You cheered the mayhem. Gleefully. Relentlessly. Not givin a d@ng about who was getting hurt." -Hate

Bill,

You are lying. Willfully. Bald-facedly. Not giving a rat's ass how shamelessly mendacious you have to be to hide the fact that you are wrong.

by Ponderer on May 29, 2023 7:55 pm

olde dude, that's a terribly sad story. I in no way at all, obviously, support what happened to him.

But don't speak for Hate. You do seem to show signs of basic human empathy. I do get a strong sense from you that you care.

But Hate, however, never really does. He has no basic human empathy at all.

by oldedude on May 29, 2023 9:52 pm
The main "issue" is that we routinely get lumped together (à la isle), so it's just faster preload my defense and see what happens. We have a lot of agreements, and sometimes not. Unless I've seen references about the subject, I won't say anything for him. He does the same. And sometimes he'll bring up points I didn't say that I should have (like every other poster here).

So point taken, and thanks.

by oldedude on May 29, 2023 9:52 pm
The main "issue" is that we routinely get lumped together (à la isle), so it's just faster preload my defense and see what happens. We have a lot of agreements, and sometimes not. Unless I've seen references about the subject, I won't say anything for him. He does the same. And sometimes he'll bring up points I didn't say that I should have (like every other poster here).

So point taken, and thanks.

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