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This is treason! By meagain February 13, 2025 6:59 am Category: Politics (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post Write A New Article How To Post Here

Morally if not quite legally it is. But possible legally, too. It could lead to WWIII.

Bowing to the Butcher: Trump Grovels to Putin and Promises to Abandon Ukraine
No American leader has ever pledged loyalty to a foreign dictator — until now…

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by Donna on February 13, 2025 7:07 am We all saw this coming. I seriously doubt that our allies are going to share Intelligence with US anymore -- and who can blame them? -- which will put all of us in grave danger. by meagain on February 13, 2025 7:51 am I don't know why the link did not work but this may. hartmannreport.com by HatetheSwamp on February 13, 2025 8:07 am You two are either lying or fool-o-$#!t. by meagain on February 13, 2025 8:54 am Try reading the link. HtS. You may learn what a bloody, ignorant oaf you are. Or you may carry on being the same Pharisaical embarrassment you have always been. by HatetheSwamp on February 13, 2025 9:10 am It won't open for me. But, Hartmann is biased and unreliable. Show me this from The Hill, even NEWSWEEK and I'll take you seriously. by oldedude on February 13, 2025 9:34 am I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at the lefties getting their nickers in a wad over this. Obviously, it's a lack of knowledge and being told what to say/do as they're lining up for Kristallnacht hating the Jews. In as much as Chamberlain should have been charged with Treason, drawn, and quartered (isn't that the "british" way?), I don't see this as treason either. Anyone that has any sense of the Russians or Putin KNOWS they must have the Black Sea Fleet available. I've said this since the invasion. That is just a fact. Sevastopol is that port and has been the major port since Greacen times. The Russians have docked the (Black Sea) fleet there since the end of WWII. Both the Nazis and Stalin knew the importance of that. The pre-2014 boundaries. It does include Crimea (which is the "only" issue from the left's agenda, since they haven't figured out how to read a map). It also includes the Donbas region. Donbas has all three of the major pieces of steel production right there and already being mined. Coke, iron ore, and coal. Ukraine, Australia, and Russia have the biggest proportion of iron ore deposits in the world. Each of the three countries has over 10% of the world’s iron ore reserves. Ukraine alone has an estimated 27 billion tons of iron ore reserves and ranks 6th in global iron ore production. There are about 88 deposits across the country. These rich iron ores deposits are mainly located in Kremenchuk, Kerch, Mariupol, Belozersky, and Kryvyi Rih. Of the 88 deposits, 60 are located in Kryvyi Rih basin which has a reserve of about 19 billion tons. The Kremenchuk basin has about 4 billion tons while Belozersky holds 2.5 billion tons. This is where the negotiations begin. Is it the 2014 lines? No. Does everyone get what they want? No. Is everyone giving up something? Yes. Great place to start a negotiation. Zelenskyy has already signaled he wants the war to end and he's willing to give some things up. That's fine. He really needs to end this war and get his people back to rebuilding the country. And don't forget he has an election coming up. Lead and I disagree somewhat with Zelenskyy. I think the "martial law" wasn't an unknown thing for that region. Do I like it? Not necessarily, but he also needs to keep his country. Otherwise, I just think he's trying to keep order. He isn't murdering people in the streets, and the people don't seem to care too much. Putin MUST get the "F" out of there. His country is in shambles because of the war. The North Korean soldiers were worse than the Russians. His equipment is crap, and several levels below the Swedes, British, Germans, (well, everyone but the french and maybe the italians). Please clean the brown-stains out of your knickers and actually understand how to negotiate. rbth.com kyivindependent.com worldatlas.com by Curt_Anderson on February 13, 2025 9:48 am I fixed the link used in meagain’s article. There were some errant periods before the URL. by HatetheSwamp on February 13, 2025 9:55 am "Lead and I disagree somewhat with Zelenskyy. I think the "martial law" wasn't an unknown thing for that region." OD, We don't disagree as much as it seems. I make these points about Zelenskyy canceling elections and negating freedom of speech and freedom of religion because progressives on SS, and in general, tend to think of him as a Gandhiesque figure. He's not. Ukraine is corrupt. It's more like Russia than a western or northern European parliamentary democracy. And, Zelenskyy fits Ukraine. I'm speaking truth... and mocking woke ignernce. I'm a hawk on Ukraine because of US interest, not because Zelenskyy is morally pure. by oldedude on February 13, 2025 10:44 am Lead- I agree, you can't use morally pure and Ukranian in the same sentence (although I just did). He is much better than his predecessor, Kravchuk. Everything since Kuchma has been placed there by the Russians (in this case, read Putin or one of his puppets) since 1999. It's going to be very, very hard to get the graft and corruption out of Ukraine. Anyone that knows how to spell "Ukraine" should understand that. Not an easy country to deal with. People there are rich for a reason. They're part of the Ukrainian mob, tied into the government, or some other shenanigans that are imbedded in that part of the world. Zelenskyy actually jailed some of his senior commanders for life (which means you'll never see them again) for corruption. Of course they got caught (by serial number) selling weapons on the world market. OOPS. I agree with how you're thinking and your rationale. No issue with that. Again, if he were in Central America, there would be mass graves all over country. So, I think it's a comparison of terms. Again, I think it's funny. This is how you and I disagree. by HatetheSwamp on February 13, 2025 11:19 am Bang on. It's deranged TrumpHaters suggesting that Trump's in Putin's pocket that is the real idiocy... because Trump understands that Ukraine doesn't belong in NATO. I think that embracing TDS equates to surrendering 15 IQ points... and some of our SSers don't have those points to spare. by Indy! on February 13, 2025 12:24 pm I'm with you Brown Shorts on this in some ways. End the frickin' war - get the f out. We're the ones responsible for it, it's time to put an end to war for profit. That's all this is. Russia doesn't have the means to take over Europe again and they haven't shown any inclination towards attempting it. This is not the post-WWII Soviet Union. Ukraine is a corrupt country that hasn't done anything to earn our support except to be in-between Russia and countries we care about. Putin is a paper tiger - yes Trump loves sucking him off, but what can we do about it? Let him as long as this is all he's getting - what he had before and some nice oral from the orange skidmark. However I have to ask about this part... Donbas has all three of the major pieces of steel production right there and already being mined. Coke, iron ore, and coal. Not sure how we're going to convince Zelensky to give up his coke. 🤔 by HatetheSwamp on February 13, 2025 12:33 pm Substantially agree. Listening to Trump, as I do, and not relying on TDS-stricken insaniacs, as many here do, it's obvious that Trump wants access to Ukraine’s minerals. How that will work out, I can't tell. Where Donna and po and others are wrong is that Trump is going to get sumpthin out of this for himself. It's not about Putin nor Ukraine. by Indy! on February 13, 2025 1:52 pm Where Donna and po and others are wrong is that Trump is going to get sumpthin out of this for himself. It's not about Putin nor Ukraine. LOL! Brown Shorts... that is assumed for EVERY deal the Homeless Hairdo makes. Otherwise he wouldn't be interested. It's comical that he feels like he needs more money when he only has a few years to live and the only thing he likes to do is talk about himself and/or play golf. He owns a golf course and talk is cheap. He needs more money like you and Odorous need more Fox-fueled misinformation. 😂 by oldedude on February 13, 2025 2:08 pm Most of our coal is used for energy and producing liquid and gas products. That's a problem. Iron ore is coming out of Michigan, Minnesota, and Utah. Coking Coal or metallurgical coal has been produced in the United States for nearly 200 years in about 20 states. Long story short here. We can either trade them for the products we can produce, or do it some other way. I'm not sure what that might be. Apparently, some on this site are sitting in on the briefings without a clearance, I am not, but I'm sure there's some trade thing going on. It might be contractors for construction and rebuilding the country. The other thing may be contracts with Deere or Caterpillar. They both build construction, mining, and farming vehicles. I know that CAT and DEERE have gone under some issues with keeping employees because of the global market and the farms being bought behind the auspice of the chinese are buying Yantai Lansu, Taizhou, Qingdao Muyuan and several others that market under the "MADE IN CHINA" logo. So it may be an end-around with the trade agreements. made-in-china.com by meagain on February 13, 2025 2:42 pm Some of what you say, od, is correct but your history is lacking. Chamberlain was a great leader, actually. At Munich, he was simply buying time for war preparations. He is known to have said it bought about three more months. Three badly needed months because no country was prepared: not the USA, either, which was in a woeful state of military preparedness in 1939. The Crimea was never Russian territory, nor was the Donbas. Russia annexed Crimea t the time of the Napolean Wars when it could safely do so since Britain was preoccupied with France. Why should everyone give up something? If Mexico attacked the US and annexed Texas, while fighting in other areas, would you agree to giving up Texas in a settlement? The idea is pure nonsense. Sovereign countries do not cede territory and that is a fundamental position of NATO as well as international law. You also exaggerate the positions of the Zelensky government. A better way to look at that is the desire for membership in the EU where the fundamentals of adherence to the Rule of Law and of democratic principles are demanded. Zelensky has been struggling to bring Ukraine to that standard. by oldedude on February 13, 2025 6:12 pm Well, this was one of my AORs the last 6 years of the military. The total history is useless unless everyone here doing portfolio work and needs to memorize to be held to the tidbits of information to brief out the teams. Again, know the room. You "ass- ume" everyone must have your version of the entire history back to your bitter loss in the Crimea... Nobody cares. And most Americans feel about Chamberlain like they do monty. Better they died early in the war, I would have taken us two fewer years to end it. And the thing you need to finally understand. These are FEELINGS! Neither of us is wrong. They are how we feel. You need to try it sometime. You may think you're self important, but no one listens. The idea is pure nonsense. Sovereign countries do not cede territory and that is a fundamental position of NATO as well as international law. Why should everyone give up something? If Mexico attacked the US and annexed Texas, while fighting in other areas, would you agree to giving up Texas in a settlement? That's the way you negotiate. Period. You're really bad at this, aren't you? And you keeping up with what Zelenskyy has talked about last week was that he might be willing to do exactly that. So piss off. You also exaggerate the positions of the Zelensky government. A better way to look at that is the desire for membership in the EU where the fundamentals of adherence to the Rule of Law and of democratic principles are demanded. Zelensky has been struggling to bring Ukraine to that standard. Again. Maslow's Hierarchy. Zelenskyy has to stay alive and in power to do the things you say he wants to do. If he doesn't, everything is a waste of his time and ours. by meagain on February 14, 2025 6:55 am Your response, OD, can be summed up in a few words of your own. "Nobody cares." But somebody does care: a lot of somebodies do. All the somebodies who are affected. They care enough to decipher the true history, not your imagined version. The truth is what I posted, You say the 'way Americans feel about Chamberlain." That seems to be the MO in every facet of your lives. The way you fell, not the way it is or was. There is truth about Chamberlain and there is the way you want to feel. Monty and 'it would have taken you two years to end it? You were not in the war until two years into it; and not in any numbers except the Pacific until three years in. Monty wanted to blitz into Berlin and end the war quickly. Ike for political reasons and under political instructions adopted a campaign that extended the war be an estimated three months and cost tens of thousands more lives. It also was the cause of the Russians getting to Berlin and the division of Germany. Germany would have been under Western control had it been Monty's way. We should not need to rehash these old issues. There is a reality of the present. That requires justice based on historical truth. by oldedude on February 14, 2025 10:23 am yetagain... I was voicing my opinion. You are voicing yours. Nothing more. I'm not going to add anything more to this. Please read where Lead and I disagree. THAT is my preferred way to disagree. Not to spend endless posts boring the rest of the posters over things they don't care about. done. Go To Top

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