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Is there any doubt that Republicans are largely anti-democratic, pro-authoritarian traitors?

By Curt_Anderson
December 28, 2021 6:38 pm
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(THE HILL)A poll published Tuesday from the University of Massachusetts Amherst found a strong partisan divide in how people view federal efforts to arrest and try people accused of participating in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The poll showed 28 percent of Republicans supported those efforts, compared to 85 percent of Democrats.

Meanwhile, 52 percent of Republicans strongly or somewhat opposed those efforts, compared to 4 percent of Democrats.

Additionally, while 62 percent of Republicans called the people at the Capitol on Jan. 6 "protesters," 68 percent of Democrats described them as "insurrectionists," "white nationalists," and "rioters," according to the poll.


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  1. by Donna on December 28, 2021 6:54 pm
    Well what more can be said about someone who says they would vote for Trump knowing that he pines for the days when Israel, in his opinion, completely controlled the US Congress? To me, that's a hallmark of a traitor.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on December 29, 2021 4:21 am

    Y'know, I think the January 6 mostly peaceful gathering shows that GOPs are the party of the people, that they are willing to fight for government of the people, by the people and for the people.

    GOPs are the party of a radical Jeffersonian democracy.

    What I see in you Blue MAGAs here is visceral devotion to Big Brother government...and a little snowflake-ism.


  3. by Donna on December 29, 2021 4:42 am
    What I see in you is a traitor.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on December 29, 2021 5:20 am

    Traitor?

    Really? I didn't even attend the mostly peaceful gathering. And, it's not even that far away from me.

    I denounced the people who entered the capitol when it was happening and I agree that people who committed crimes should be punished.

    However, Jefferson did say, "A little rebellion is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."

    What's the accusation against someone like you who opposes a vibrant, energetic democracy? Big Brother sycophant?

    So, very seriously. Suppose, in 024, the GOPs use all their new election laws to their advantage and you and other GOP opponents think they stole the election. What sort of protest would you support?

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    Now, has your stuff arrived from Vegas?


  5. by Donna on December 29, 2021 6:21 am
    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I was very clear why I'm calling you a traitor. It has nothing to do with Jan 6th.


  6. by Donna on December 29, 2021 8:29 am
    As for the movers...

    Thanks for asking, Bill. I give you a hard time sometimes, but I think you're a nice person.

    Our stuff will be delivered today between 2 and 5pm. But the soonest we were able to schedule our cable hook-up was next Tuesday.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on December 29, 2021 9:48 am
    HtS,
    I certainly would not oppose laws I disagree with by breaking the law. I wouldn't vandalize or deface historic paintings or statues or steal a speaker's podium. I wouldn't pepper spray police. Nor would I enter a building or a chamber that was off limits to the public.

    I would however support and donate to candidates and entities willing to expose and overturn unjust laws.

    You allude to something Thomas Jefferson supposedly said. I'm quoting from memory but the line goes something like this "the tree of democracy from time to time needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants." I'm quite sure that Jefferson would not have included himself in that calculation nor would he consider the members of Congress performing their constitutional duties on January 6th tyrants.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on December 29, 2021 9:49 am

    What I see in you is a traitor.

    Why??????


  9. by Curt_Anderson on December 29, 2021 9:57 am
    "Why?" what?


  10. by Donna on December 29, 2021 10:05 am
    Why? See my 1st post.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on December 29, 2021 4:41 pm
    Donna,

    As you know, I only voted for OrangeMan in General Elections and, then, with great misgivings...and only when the other option was a crook who enabled her husband's predatory sexual perversions and a demented old fool who remembers that he used to drive an 18 wheeler. It will take that again if I'm still around in 024.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on December 29, 2021 4:46 pm

    Curt,

    In 020, BLM and Antifa rioted with violence that makes a joke out of January 6. If the GOPs are believed to have swiped in 024 and BLM and Antifa bring their violence to DC to confront the election result will you wink and nod in the way you did in the summer of 020?


  13. by Curt_Anderson on December 29, 2021 5:32 pm
    Antifa is a favorite bogeyman of Trump. Even if the worst said about Antifa is true, they didn't attempt to interrupt elected officials performing constitutional duties. Do you really have any evidence that Antifa did much more than brawl with far-right activists and some isolated episodes of vandalism? I didn't think so.

    The same goes for the Black Lives Matter movement. I doubt you can find many examples of BLM arrests for crimes more serious than curfew violations and failure to disperse. Certainly nothing comparable to what the January 6th insurrectionists did.

    I am posting these crickets in advance anticipating that you can't make an equitable comparison of any day of Antifa or BLM activities to match the insurrectionists' day.



  14. by Donna on December 29, 2021 7:02 pm
    LOL! Antifa doesn't even make the DHS terror threat list! It never has! You know who does, though? Right-wing extremist groups like the Proud Boys!

    Bill, the bottom line is that you would vote for a man who would like to put a foreign government in complete control of our Congress. In my opinion, that makes you a traitor. Criticize Biden all you want. At least he supports US sovereignty. Sheesh.



  15. by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2021 3:34 am

    Donna and Curt,

    Interesting that you chose to dodge the question in the same way.

    IF BLM, ANTIFA OR ANY OTHER CROWD OF BLUE MAGA PROGRESSIVES VIOLENTLY PROTEST A SUPPOSED GOP SWIPE OF THE 024 ELECTION WILL YOU WINK AND NOD THE WAY YOU DID AT THE VIOLENT PROTESTS IN 020!!!!?


  16. by Curt_Anderson on December 30, 2021 9:17 am
    HtS,
    You seem to be saying that Donna and I "dodged" the question in the same way: by citing facts. If you could have disputed or refuted any facts that we mentioned you might have but we all know you can't. (See crickets above)

    You on the other hand are are going the usual intellectually-lacking conservative response one better. You are now engaging in whataboutIFism.




  17. by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2021 9:25 am

    The, uh, facts you cited were irrelevant to the question.

    May I take you unwillingness to answer my question to mean they should the GOP seem to swipe 024 and Blue MAGAs attack that you'll cheer them on?


  18. by Donna on December 30, 2021 6:48 pm
    I don't think that violence is ever appropriate. The only exception is if someone is physically attacking someone. Then you have not only the right but a duty to fight back.

    So no, I wouldn't support that.

    What an embarrassingly weak argument you're making. The more you talk, the more ridiculous you get.



  19. by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 5:22 am

    What an embarrassingly weak argument you're making. The more you talk, the more ridiculous you get.

    Perhaps you could work on developing self-awareness.

    You may recall that during the effin "summer of love," when BLM and Antifa and other wacked Blue MAGA progressives attacked numerous cities, tuk22, pb and others were appalled over how blasť po and Curt and you were. It's a fact that conversation continued for some time in which we were beside ourselves over your heartlessness toward people whose lives were destroyed by that violence.


  20. by Donna on December 31, 2021 7:18 am
    I didn't make a big to do about the property damage the rioters caused on Jan 6th either. My focus has been on the personal injuries the rioters inflicted on those, mostly Capitol police, who tried to stop them.

    As for the rioting by some of the BLM protestors, actually I said that anyone who broke the law should be arrested, and if they're arrested should be willing to do the time.


  21. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2021 9:04 am
    My biggest concern regarding the January 6th Insurrection wasn't property OR the assaults on the Capitol Police.

    I have a big problem with people trying to stop a free and fair election and their efforts to stop those who are performing duties prescribed by the Constitution. The the mega crowd wanted and still wants nothing less than to end Democracy in America.


  22. by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 9:22 am

    The the mega crowd wanted and still wants nothing less than to end Democracy in America.

    Bullferner!

    Though, I am convinced that you believe it.

    You, on the other hand, turn a blind eye to numerous irregularities in the casting and counting of ballots in 020.

    What you long for is precisely the Tammany Hall Democracy that placed the Flatulent Fool in the White House.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2021 11:07 am
    HtS,
    A fundamental tenet of any democracy is that the losers of an election accept the outcome. A majority of Americans accept the outcome of the presidential race and condemn the insurrection. But two-thirds of Republican voters say Joe Biden is not the legitimate winner of the 2020 Presidential election.

    A quarter of Trump voters support those who broke into the Capitol to disrupt the certification of the presidential election.

    Not accepting the legitimate outcome of an election and supporting violent means to overturn the results is antidemocratic.

    You are projecting if you think I am the one turning a blind eye to the events surrounding the last 2020 election. You are somehow oblivious to Trump and his supporters' efforts to change the outcome of the election. It wasn't for a lack of trying. There were dozens of statewide and local recounts and "forensic audits" by Trump zealots. There were about 60 lawsuits brought by Trump lawyers claiming "irregularities". The Supreme Court listened to the Trump arguments and like all the other judges threw the cases out. There were even rewards offered for evidence of individual examples of fraudulent voting. None of that resulted in any change to the electoral outcome. There were not "numerous irregularities". The only cheating that was discovered was by Republicans who voted more than once. Not to mention Trump's illegal attempts to pressure secretaries of state into "finding" just enough votes in Georgia and elsewhere to hand him the election.


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