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GOP mayor of Aurora CO refutes fearmongering, xenophobic Trump's lurid depiction of his city.
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October 11, 2024 4:40 pm
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“Former President Trump’s visit to Aurora is an opportunity to show him and the nation that Aurora is a considerably safe city — not a city overrun by Venezuelan gangs," Mayor Mike Coffman.

The city of Aurora is roughly the size of pre-evacuation Tampa, Florida. With 400,000 people spread over 164 square miles, it has swank subdivisions, working-class neighborhoods and the high-end resort where Donald Trump will hold a rally Friday to highlight a city turned into “a war zone” by immigrants, in the words of his campaign.

The reality is much different from the one Trump has been portraying to his rally attendees. As with many other American cities, Aurora's crime rate is actually declining.

The matter that brought the Denver suburb to Trump's attention occurred in August in a single block of the city, in an apartment complex housing Venezuelan migrants.

Aurora's crime rate has followed a downward trend seen across the country. That's despite — or, some argue, partly because of — the influx of Venezuelans fleeing their country who have funneled into Colorado and other cities nationwide.

Multiple studies show immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. But Aurora also is an example of how Trump has been able to use real but isolated episodes of migrant violence to tar an entire population. He uses those examples to paint a picture of a country in chaos due to what he regularly calls an immigrant “invasion.”



The tall tales of Colorado’s third largest city being occupied by armed Venezuelans stem from the novel excuse given by an out-of-state landlord, CBZ Management, to the city of Aurora for the utterly deplorable conditions in which residents of three of its apartment complexes were living.

In July, CBZ told the city that its property managers were unable to make the repairs that tenants and city officials were demanding because armed leaders of Tren de Aragua had taken over the complexes, violently expelled the managers and begun extracting rent payments from the migrant residents themselves.

A public relations firm hired by the landlord enlisted Denver’s Fox affiliate to run a story on the supposed takeover.

That assertion has been denied strongly by city officials, including the Republican mayor and Democratic City Council members, all of whom say CBZ is an out-of-state slumlord that has exploited clients, bilked the city and created a fiasco now weighing on the city’s reputation.


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Comments on "GOP mayor of Aurora CO refutes fearmongering, xenophobic Trump's lurid depiction of his city.":

  1. by Indy! on October 11, 2024 5:58 pm

    Hard to believe anyone supports this POS.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on October 11, 2024 6:48 pm
    Former President Donald J. Trump escalated the nativist, anti-immigration rhetoric that has animated his political career with a speech Friday in Aurora, Colo., where he repeated false and grossly exaggerated claims about undocumented immigrants that local Republican officials have refuted.

    And during a meandering 80-minute speech Mr. Trump repeated claims, which have been debunked by local officials, that Aurora had been “invaded and conquered,” described the United States as an “occupied state,” called for the death penalty “for any migrant that kills an American citizen” and revived a promise to use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport suspected members of drug cartels and criminal gangs without due process.

    That law allows for the summary deportation of people from nations with which the United States is at war, that have invaded the United States or that have engaged in “predatory incursions.” It was far from clear whether the law could be used in the way that Mr. Trump was proposing.
    nytimes.com


  3. by oldedude on October 11, 2024 9:03 pm
    you just don't get politics, do you. Good God, you're such a neanderthal, aren't you? A mayor is going to "ask" for help? Or are they going to get re-elected like your lying bitch kammy who is changing ALL of her "decisions" from 2019 on? Oh. That's right. You're a dim male. One of those "delicate" "men" from the left. Got it.

    I will tell you that Aurora has been a gang infested shithole you know nothing about. Even the gangsters were "complaining" the latinos were over populating at a much higher rate than the blacks in the area. This and five-points in denver are the major points of gang related homiecides in CO. I know you haven't been in South/central, but it's much the same scenario. Car that isn't one of there's, gets into they're space, and it gets hit. And they're not using you're cheap ass 9mm to do it. I know it's okay with you, because it's just little brown people killing your "N" word. so You don't give a flying fuck about them. Not only that, but you don't care about their "hood rats" that are used as sex slaves. So actually, you're "view" of "humans" rates extremely low on the scale. More like Idi Amin. You and your "butties" are sick fucks because they aren't in your "reality."

    I'm going to say this again. Your "son" if he really exists, I pity it. You and your political views will murder him and his family. Your grandchildren will be feasted on by members of these cartels if they ever learn where he lives. But you don't give a fuck at all. about your own children, or anyone else on this earth.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 4:13 am

    I believe you, OD.

    You had to know that the KK krowd would politicize this. They're dead meat on immigration with moderate and independent common sense voters... and they know it.

    It seems to me that Curt's Good Germaning ain't so good these days. But, he doesn't have much to work with.


  5. by Donna on October 12, 2024 7:37 am

    olde dude, do you have any crime statistics about Aurora to back up the gloomy picture you and Trump are promoting?


  6. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 7:43 am

    Donna,

    Since the "dithering and diminished" "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" DOJ took over federal law enforcement, the reporting of crime has been radically reduced to make it appear that the Former Truck Driver has crime under control. Ask po. po fills us in on what goes on on Fox News. po'll tell you. They talk about that all the time.


  7. by Donna on October 12, 2024 9:43 am

    Another conspiracy theory. LOL!


  8. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 9:47 am

    The numbers don't lie, Donna.


  9. by Donna on October 12, 2024 9:54 am

    I agree. That's why I'm asking for statistics.



  10. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 10:33 am

    Question peebs... how did Biden reduce crime the 30 years prior as it fell to historically low levels when he wasn't president as well? 🤔


  11. by Curt_Anderson on October 12, 2024 12:11 pm
    You can count on two things: Trump lies, HtS believes it.

    Trump claimed cities like Aurora are seeing ‘the highest level of criminality.’ Here’s what the data shows

    The overall picture in Aurora shows crimes tracked across the seven major categories by the Aurora Police Department are down by 17.2%, according to data provided to Denver7 by the city.
    denver7.com


  12. by Donna on October 12, 2024 2:57 pm

    Thanks for those stats, Curt. They show that shoplifting is the only crime that's more of a problem now, but overall, crime is down in Aurora. Trump has been shamelessly exploiting a severe problem in Aurora involving a slumlord and Venezuelan immigrants for political gain, as he shamelessly did in Springfield. Because Trump has no shame. Or empathy. What I can't stand is people who try to make his blatant lies seem credible.


  13. by oldedude on October 12, 2024 5:47 pm
    Donna, sorry it's been a minute, but here's some of the issues.

    This is a rundown of the history of Denver/Aurora since 1990's. FYSA, Denver and Aurora share a very long border, and therefore the history of the gangs are intertwined. Most of the time, you don't know which city you're in. Denver is also on the I-25/ I- 70 corridors. I25 goes from Las Cruces, NM to Buffalo, WY. I70 from Cove Fort, UT, to just outside Baltimore, MD.

    Gang activity and associated crime is a long-standing concern in Denver, Colorado. The city's street gang activity received statewide attention in 1993 when a "Summer of Violence" increased public awareness of gang-related violence and led the state to enact harsh penalties for crime by juveniles. From 1992 to 1995, Denver had 331 murders: 95 in 1992, 74 in 1993, and 81 each in 1994 and 1995 In 1997 The first Gang to ever be indicted out of Colorado was the West Side Ballerz Posse WSBP a Chicano gang that resided in West Denver & branched off in surrounding Adams county in cities such as Aurora, Commerce, Thornton, Brighton, and Westminster. In 1996, members of the FBI's Metro Gang Task Force (“MGTF”) were investigating suspected gang-related drug activity in Denver, Colorado. Specifically, MGTF was investigating members of the West Side Ballerz Posse whom it suspected were selling controlled substances and engaging in gang-related violence. As part of this investigation, a series of wiretaps were authorized in late 1996 against suspected members of this drug conspiracy. Gang-related crime has continued, as shown by the New Year's Day 2007 drive-by shooting of Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams by members of the Tre Tre Crips, an East Denver street gang. The Crips in the city have several sub-sets such as Tre Deuce (DOD), Tre Foe, 35 Outlaws and the Tre Tre Gangstas. In 2017, the city's police estimated that there were 38,000 gang members in Denver, affiliated with 220 gangs. The Rollin 30s or Tre Tre Crips still have a powerful presence in the Denver area. In 2017 there were an estimated 2000 Bloods and Crips from Denver. These gangs are in various locations including Five Points, East Denver, Commerce City, Englewood, Aurora, North-East Park Hill and Federal Heights. Crips and Bloods have been commonly sighted almost all over Denver, even in the suburbs outside the city.

    Along with the old gangs mentioned above, Tren de Aragua (TdA) blamed for sex trafficking, drug smuggling and police shootings as well as the exploitation of migrants. Then as usual, the gang violence came in shortly after their arrival.
    Venezuelan gang activity confirmed by Aurora officials after release of Colorado woman's surveillance video
    For Cindy Romero, living at 12th Avenue and Dallas Street has become a daily struggle against escalating violence and neglect. Life deteriorated into a nightmarish ordeal, marked by frequent encounters with crime and what she calls a lack of support from the city and police.

    She first noticed a gradual increase in crime in her part of the Denver metro area about a year-and-a-half ago. It got worse over the last three months. "We were constantly forced to take measures to protect ourselves," Romero said. "I installed more locks, bought additional cameras, and parked further away from the building. Despite all these efforts, the situation kept escalating. We felt like we were being tortured."

    She reported seeing people move automatic weapons and engage in shootouts. "The police would call me and say they weren't coming unless it was a severe crime," Romero said. "When I called the police to report a shooting, one officer asked if I had considered moving. If I could have afforded to leave, I would have."

    en.wikipedia.org
    cbsnews.com


  14. by Ponderer on October 12, 2024 6:07 pm

    Thanks for the info, but it doesn't change anything I said. I acknowledged that a Venezuelan gang was active in Aurora. But other than a 20% increase in shoplifting, there hasn't been an increase in crime in Aurora for the last five years.

    Btw, as I'm sure you know, all major American cities and surrounding areas have had gang problems from time immemorial, and it has been a problem regardless of who was president and which party was in power. For example:

    "On the evening of March 17, 2020, a former Mexican police officer working for the Sinaloa cartel left his hotel room in Tijuana and walked across the U.S. border into Southern California at 10:09 p.m.

    Ricardo Ramos Medina’s first stop was San Diego International Airport, where he picked up a rental car. He drove to a nearby location and met a female drug mule, who handed off a grocery sack filled with methamphetamine. Then he set out on a much longer journey — a 16-hour drive to Montana.

    Medina had made the trip a handful of times before, but this time it didn’t go as planned. Before he reached Butte, he was pulled over by state and federal officers. Inside his white Jeep Compass, they found about 2 pounds of pure methamphetamine — enough, authorities said, to supply the entire town of Townsend, Montana (population: 2,150), for multiple days.

    The arrest, which was outlined in court papers and in interviews with investigators on the case, helped bring down a drug trafficking ring that federal prosecutors said brought at least 2,000 pounds of meth and 700,000 fentanyl-laced pills into Montana from Mexico over three years. [That would be during Trump's term. I'm sure that I could find more examples of foreign gangs operating in the US during Trump's term if I wanted to spend more time on this.]

    “Why Montana?” said Chad Anderberg, a Montana Division of Criminal Investigation agent who was one of the lead investigators on the case. “It boiled down to money. He could make so much more profit from drugs he sold here than in any other place.”

    Illegal drugs have long flowed from Mexico to the more remote parts of the U.S. But with the rise of fentanyl, cartel associates have pushed more aggressively into Montana, where pills can be sold for 20 times the price they get in urban centers closer to the border, state and federal law enforcement officials said."


    nbcnews.com


  15. by Donna on October 12, 2024 6:08 pm

    Mine ^


  16. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 7:31 pm

    What was that excuse peebs and OD got from Fox? Oh yeah, the government was leaving out statistics from bad areas... so maybe they left out the Aurora crime statistics when they were working up the crime report on Aurora? 🤔


  17. by oldedude on October 12, 2024 11:51 pm
    Donna- what I got was that you approved of the fentenyl trade in the US, and the use of human sex slaves to be used for carrying the drugs into the US.

    indy- you're of no further use in the world so go kill yourself. and yes, denver and that shithole called "aurora" is worse than southcentral LA. Oh. Yeah. You've never been there. or the fucking border. You've never been out of mihami and whereeverthefuckyou "say" you're from. You fucking liar.


  18. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 12:05 am
    donna- “Why Montana?” said Chad Anderberg, a Montana Division of Criminal Investigation agent who was one of the lead investigators on the case. “It boiled down to money. He could make so much more profit from drugs he sold here than in any other place.”

    Illegal drugs have long flowed from Mexico to the more remote parts of the U.S. But with the rise of fentanyl, cartel associates have pushed more aggressively into Montana, where pills can be sold for 20 times the price they get in urban centers closer to the border, state and federal law enforcement officials said."


    Do you not understand that money is the sole reason for these gangs to operate? Did that escape you somehow? You hate every other capitalistic form in the globe, why not this one? It exists to murder people. It is that simple. Most of these gangs have a direct line to Chinese sellers. If not, they're using the Mexican cartels to sell it to them. If you thought by killing Guzman (which they haven't but should) was the end? you're just as stupid in believing that there are no more true Nazis in Germany and Austria. And as clueless.

    What's worse is that you believe that the indoctrination of children is the way to go in the schools, you're nothing but a Nazi (capital "N", because that's what Goebbels used and the left is using that to train our children. If you believe it, just say so. Please. We can discuss brainwashing for political favour and purpose. Like Goebbels used. You're no better then he.


  19. by Donna on October 13, 2024 7:38 am

    Donna- what I got was that you approved of the fentenyl trade in the US, and the use of human sex slaves to be used for carrying the drugs into the US." - olse dude

    Fascinating how your mind works.


  20. by Indy! on October 13, 2024 11:05 am

    Don't know what I said to get so far under OD's skin, but man I wish I did so I could keep saying it. 😂


  21. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 8:02 pm
    I've told you several times, and you completely fucking ignore it🙄.
    I dunno, maybe your just too fucking stoopid to understand American English. You damn sure can't understand any other english that you "demand" others conform to. the true tell of narcissists. At least "try" to be a big boy in big boy panties. That would help you.


  22. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 8:21 pm
    donna- honestly, that was somewhat harsh, but it's because you gloss over the actions of the crimes these people are doing. That is the major issue. I used that to bring up the view many have.

    They/you forget what these assholes are actually doing.

    They own that apartment building for a reason. They have control of all the human beings inside of it. THEY are collecting rent from everyone in each building they own. They sell dope to all the people in the building. They own the children of the people in the building. They walk the buildings and start firefights with automatic weapons (AR4/AR10/AKs) which by YOUR description are weapons of war. You asked me to support my claim that these assholes and others were part of a problem in this area. It's like asking if there's a "gang problem" in Southcentral LA. What I also know is that many people don't know that. They think that Coloradoans just buy weed and are high all the time. No, that's not true either. Half the state hates that law because of the shit that has chosen to live in the state.

    Honestly if you wanted anything that deviated from my answer, you need to explain it. I thought I answered what you wanted. Otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my fucking time. Sorry. But I feel you moved the goalposts like indy usually does when he loses.


  23. by Indy! on October 13, 2024 8:21 pm

    Maybe if you put aside your obvioius infatuation with me and tried talking like an adult instead of an idiot with an attitude - we could get somewhere.


  24. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 8:41 pm
    indy- but whenever I do you make sure I respond to you, little bitch. Don't do what you just did. We'll get along fine. And I won't have to talk about the dozens we agreed on. You could have read the rules, but chose not to. Then fuck you. You have no vote. Only action.


  25. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 8:54 pm
    donna. honestly, You're only going to believe what you want to believe and know not a fucking thing about the area (curt, you're included in that). So it's useless for me to tell you that the fucking FBI says they are lacking data from prime points that don't want to report the problems. This is where your beautiful central government falls apart.

    WHAT WE FOUND Most large cities in the U.S., including New York, Chicago and Los Angeles, reported their 2023 crime data to the FBI. The false claims likely stem from gaps in reported crime data due to changes the FBI implemented in 2021. which means that when jurisdictions change their predicates, UCR didn't keep up with them.

    If counties (which the OCR states are taken from, NOT cities unless the city/county are the same) report false data for tourism areas (because everyone knows all coloradoans are just high) Which is fucking stupid. My point is that you're being fed bullshit. And you're falling for it hook, line and sinker. You can believe how innocent these people are, and they'll take your house. When I was working counterdrug, we had a group from CA that got a couple that wanted some weed, and they sold them crack. After that, they sold the wife and husband for crack. His gang name was "Bitch." He died in prison from various STDs from the gang.
    cbs8.com


  26. by oldedude on October 14, 2024 7:32 am
    Olde Dude appeared shocked Sunday SS when co-host donna interrupted him mid-statement and attempted to downplay Venezuelan gangs’ takeover of Colorado apartment complexes.

    “Dude, I’m going to stop you because I know exactly what happened. I’m going to stop you. The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes and the mayor said, ‘Our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns.’ A handful of problems,” donna said.

    OD pushed back on donna, questioning her issue with Trump and her refusal to acknowledge that U.S. apartment complexes are “being taken over by violent gangs.”

    “Only, donna? Do you hear yourself? Only a handful of apartment complexes were taken over by Venezuelan gangs, and Donald Trump is the problem, not Kamala Harris’ open border? Americans are so fed up with what’s going on, and they have every right to be,” OD responded. “I really find this exchange, donna, sort of interesting because you seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything that Donald Trump has said, rather than acknowledging that apartment complexes in the United States of America are being taken over by violent gangs.”

    This is a much nicer way for me to say this. The fact is we have apartment complex's in the US that are taken by terrorists with "weapons of war" and the left doesn't think that a problem. But only in blue cities. If they were in red cities, you'd be raising hell about it. Along with refusing to think this is wrong, you also don't care about the crime associated with these terrorists. That, to me is the larger issue. Sheep, in general don't care about other human beings and don't think anything is wrong with what these terrorists are doing. As long as you're not affected.

    Another issue is that the UCR only "cleared" cases. Ergo. To clear a case, the officer must say the complaint is "unfounded" or if there is a law broken, the case doesn't get "cleared" until after sentencing of the suspect(s). CO, as a state, doesn't even clear half their cases (43.9% according to CBI).
    coloradocrimestats.state.co.us


  27. by oldedude on October 14, 2024 8:18 am
    Sorry. These are the stats not being recorded in the UCR/ NLETS. Here's a lot of information curt doesn't enter in his "stats."

    14 shootings with 56 victims: Denver sees spike in multi-victim shootings even as homicides drop. Denver is less dangerous than 1% of cities in the US (meaning it's MORE dangerous than 99% of the cities in the US). Not the point you want tourists to know.

    In violent crime, Aurora is less dangerous than 2% of cities in the US (meaning it's MORE dangerous than 98% of US Cities). The rate of violent crime per 1,000 is 10.74 for Aurora, 10.58 for Denver, and 4.92 for Colorado. So to say there is "less crime" this year is still high.

    The total crime rate in Aurora increased by 14.6% from 2014 to 2018 and increased by another 9.7% from 2019 to 2023. Crime against persons fell by 4.6% from 2018 to 2023, after increasing between 2013 and 2018 by 56.3. Crime against property increased by 20.5% from 2018 to 2023. Crime against society decreased by 23.3% from 2019 to 2023 after increasing by 7.6% from 2013 to 2018. Some of the larger increases occurred in burglary, which increased by 17% from 2019 to 2023 after a 22.5% decline between 2013 and 2018, weapons law violation, which rose by 18.5% from 2019 to 2023 after a 10.7% increase between 2013 and 2018, aggravated assault increased by 59% from 2019 to 2023 following a 119% increase between 2013 and 2018, and auto theft, which increased by 122.9% from 2019 to 2023.

    coloradocrimestats.state.co.us
    neighborhoodscout.com
    denverpost.com
    neighborhoodscout.com


  28. by Donna on October 14, 2024 9:31 am

    olde dude- When Mexican drug cartels were disbursing fentanil around America during Trump's term, you never even brought it up.

    The kind of thing you're blaming on Biden and Democrats also went on when Trump was president.

    All of your arguments are political as opposed to objective and substantive.





    .


  29. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 9:47 am

    Donna,

    Please link us to respectable reporting about the fentanyl problem during Trump's term.


  30. by Curt_Anderson on October 14, 2024 9:48 am
    OD,
    You seem to be misinterpreting in the scariest way possible the NeighborhoodScout crime stats that you cited. You wrote that Denver is MORE dangerous than 99% of the cities in the US. That's misleading.

    Denver, the 19th largest city in the country, is MORE populated than 99.9% of all US cities. There are some 19,500 incorporated cities of various sizes in the US. NeighborhoodScout's database includes crime statistics from over 18,000 local law enforcement agencies.

    Likewise, according to NeighborhoodScout, Aurora is safer than 2% of U.S. cities. The 2024 population estimate for the city of Aurora is 404,219. It is the 52nd largest city in the country.

    The bottom line: a person's chance of being a crime victim is about the same in a big city as in small city.
    auroragov.org
    worldpopulationreview.com


  31. by Donna on October 14, 2024 9:49 am

    What's stopping you from doing that?



  32. by Donna on October 14, 2024 9:52 am

    , Hate?


  33. by Donna on October 14, 2024 10:15 am

    Adding to what Curt said, according to the website that ranked Denver 1% safer than all American cities, St.Louis, which is in a red state, is ranked 0% safer than all American cities.

    Presidents have very little to do with things like crime (except when they themselves commit crimes, for example Trump's 34 felonies) and inflation.





  34. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 10:19 am

    Donna,

    So you lie?, then want ole pb to prove you didn't?

    SS doesn't work that way.


  35. by Donna on October 14, 2024 10:44 am

    You have nothing and you're a bore.




  36. by Donna on October 14, 2024 10:47 am

    Donna, please link us to respectable reporting about the fentanyl problem during Trump's term. - Hate

    NBC isn't respectable enough for you?


  37. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 10:53 am

    Donna,

    "NBC isn't respectable enough for you?"

    huh

    But, often NBC is not. Too metaphorical Rachel.


  38. by Indy! on October 14, 2024 10:58 am

    The fentanyl problem exploded under Trump. I know because I was working for a company deeply involved in helping drug abusers.


  39. by Donna on October 14, 2024 11:07 am

    Right, Indy. Hate and od want everyone to believe that it's only been a problem since Biden's been president. They're frequently taken in by political arguments and often confuse them with objective arguments.

    Hate, if you had read the previous comments on this topic, you'd understand why I mentioned NBC.




  40. by Donna on October 14, 2024 12:42 pm

    I guess Hate found the NBC article because he suddenly got quiet about what he was carping at.


  41. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 1:00 pm

    "Hate and od want everyone to believe that it's only been a problem since Biden's been president."

    Noop.

    The issue is that that "dithering anddiminished" "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" and his crew has done nothing effective to address the problem.

    Proof? See link.
    statista.com


  42. by Donna on October 14, 2024 1:15 pm

    Well whatever Trump tried (Did he try anything?) failed too.

    The immigration bill your guy killed for political reasons included lots of extra $ to combat fentanyl smuggling.

    It would be refreshing to see both parties cooperate to solve the problem, as Biden and the Dems have tried, but Trump isn't interested in cooperating on anything.


  43. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 1:22 pm

    Tell me.

    Donna,

    Do you honestly believe that the bill would have passed if Trump'd kept his big yapper shut?


  44. by Curt_Anderson on October 14, 2024 1:26 pm
    HtS, you linked to the those statistic to defend Trump?!?!? If so, your evidence sucks.

    The rate of overdose deaths from fentanyl saw the most dramatic increase during Trump's term. That chart only shows through 2022.

    The fentanyl death rate tapered off and decreased during Biden's term as this more current Statista graph shows.


    statista.com


  45. by Donna on October 14, 2024 1:35 pm

    Hate, they had the votes and Republicans were ready to vote it in, and then Trump ordered them to kill it.


  46. by Donna on October 14, 2024 1:54 pm

    I read more about the border bill, and it does look like it wouldn't have passed anyhow. Some of those who objected to it were Dems who thought that it was draconian, and there were GOPs who thought it didn't go far enough.

    Trump advisor Steven Miller has been saying that mass deportations will commence on day one. No plan has been announced about how they'd go about that, though.



  47. by Curt_Anderson on October 14, 2024 2:21 pm
    Donna,
    I think it might have passed had Mike Johnson not vowed it would be dead on arrival in the House and had not Trump issued an edict to GOPers to vote against it. Some of the progressives may have not liked aspects of it, but Hakeem Jeffries wanted a vote on it and he may have successfully herded the (Demo)cats.

    House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., criticized Republicans for trying to “weaponize the issue politically” rather than fix the problems at the border.

    “Extreme MAGA Republicans are not serious about addressing the challenges that clearly exist at the border, which is why they detonated their own legislation,” he said. “Democrats are going to continue to be reasonable, responsible and results-oriented. ... Unfortunately, the Republicans appear as though they want to continue to lean into chaos, dysfunction, and extremism. And if that keeps up, I think they will pay a price in November.”



    missouriindependent.com
    democraticleader.house.gov
    nbcnews.com


  48. by Indy! on October 14, 2024 2:25 pm

    You could stop every person coming over the border and still not stop the fentanyl issue. We've had a drug war going on for 60+ years and we're only just now starting to realize outlawing drugs does not make them disappear.


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