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Trump lambastes American Jews: “absolute fools” if don’t vote for him.
By Curt_Anderson
September 24, 2024 8:20 am
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Trump accused American Jews of voting for “the enemy”. Trump agreed with a radio host that Vice President Kamala Harris’s husband, Doug Emhoff, is a “horrible Jew” and a “crappy Jew.” Listen at link.

I predict Emhoff will respond forcefully.

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on September 24, 2024 9:36 am
    Trump may have a Jewish son-in-law, but Trump reveals his antisemitism. He assumes all Jews think alike and agree with the Israeli government. Many Jews even in Israel don’t like Netanyahu. Like other Americans, Jews in America care about many issues besides what happens in the Middle East.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am glad Trump is scolding Jews. I am sure it turns off Jewish voters. No voters like to be insulted.

    There are a lot of Jews in Florida. I am feeling better about Florida turning blue.

  2. by oldedude on September 24, 2024 6:21 pm
    I think trumpster understands that the dim party is extremely pro-Palestinian, and antisemitic. He also knows how much attacks on Jews have gone up in the US in the past 4 years. Why? because nobody does anything about it unless they have a MAGA hat on. The Anti-Defamation League tracked 8,873 antisemitic incidents in the United States in 2023 – the highest number of incidents reported since the organization began tracking data in 1979, according to the organization’s annual audit of antisemitism released Tuesday.

    So I think what he said is correct. If Jews vote for the dims, they're voting themselves into the rail cars again.
    cnn.com

  3. by Ponderer on September 24, 2024 6:34 pm

    "So I think what he said is correct. If Jews vote for the dims, they're voting themselves into the rail cars again." -olde dude

    olde dude is easily more than three sheets to the wind.

  4. by oldedude on September 24, 2024 9:58 pm
    So you support the Jews in their fight against Hamas? CORRECT? Please answer that before you go into anything else.

    Po- here's the thing. I'm not a flip-flopper. AND I don't think you are either. That's fine. And helps for me understand you better. That's a good thing. We (all) have a base point for what you are thinking. I think your wife does also.

  5. by Curt_Anderson on September 24, 2024 11:51 pm
    "So you support the Jews in their fight against Hamas?" ---OD

    You are making the same mistake that Trump does. Jews are not a monolith. It is not all the "Jews" fighting Hamas, it is Israel government's fight with Hamas. I make that distinction because many Jews here in America and Israel oppose Netanyahu's handling of the war.

    What I have heard from my Jewish friends is their opinion that Hamas hates Israel more than they care for their own people in Gaza. Furthermore, Netanyahu is playing into the hands of Hamas by being disproportionate in response. Even though Israel was the victim of a terrible crime almost one year ago, Israel and Jews everywhere are being blamed the 40,000 dead of Gaza. To be fair, I haven't heard of any better ideas that would win the return the hundred hostages. I don't think that any government can allow hundreds of their citizens to be murdered, raped and kidnapped without a response and an attempt to retrieve the hostages.

    In the same way not all Jews support Netanyahu, not all Jews support Trump. They have plenty of good reasons not to. As I said, American Jews care about other issues besides Gaza and Palestinians. And they may agree with Harris and like her more. That's a legitimate reason to vote for her.

    To answer your question, I support the Israel government's right to respond militarily to Hamas, but their ham-fisted response is counterproductive.

  6. by Indy! on September 25, 2024 10:18 am

    Like Trump is the arbiter of who is most religious when the only time he's seen the inside of a church was when he was there to steal out of the collection plate.

  7. by oldedude on September 25, 2024 3:51 pm
    You are making the same mistake that Trump does. Jews are not a monolith. It is not all the "Jews" fighting Hamas, it is Israel government's fight with Hamas. I make that distinction because many Jews here in America and Israel oppose Netanyahu's handling of the war.

    You are making the same mistake as the media that you worship does. You "assume" the Jews globally care only about the war. We agree there's a split on that subject. What I said the issue is about is the antisemitism, physical attacks, and threats against the individual Jews, and the Temples/ Synagogues globally.

    The Jewish family members and friends I have are horrified at 10/7. Most of the Saturday worship services there are armed members that have been trained in responses because they're used to the fighting in the middle east, but now there is so much more response to the issues of the illegals that don't care about gun laws that are actually kicking the established gangs out of their usual turfs and several other things it's just becoming a really stupid situation.

    In the US alone, from 2020, attacks increased 34% to 2,717 in 2021. Again a historical record in attacks directed at Jews. In 2022, that record increased by 36%, and in 2023 attacks on Jews increased by 140% to over 8,800 cases.

    According to FBI figures, which are considered to be conservative since many hate crimes go unreported, there were a total of 1,832 antisemitic incidents in the United States last year, as compared with 1,124 in 2022, though the number in 2023 doesn’t indicate whether the crimes occurred before or after the single largest attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust.

    The statistics come amid an unprecedented burst of antisemitism around the globe, including in the United States, following the Oct. 7, 2023 Hamas massacre in southern Israel.
    npr.org
    cnn.com
    washingtontimes.com

  8. by Curt_Anderson on September 25, 2024 4:16 pm
    OD,
    I think we mostly agree. No doubt, there is antisemitism, physical attacks, and threats against the individual Jews, and the Temples/ Synagogues globally. Even without consulting statistics I would say it has increased. Let's just say Netanyahu hasn't helped to improve the perceptions of Israel and Jews.

    You may think that Democrats are extremely pro-Palestinian, and anti-Semitic, but pro-Palestinian groups disagree. So would Doug Emhoff and the many Jewish political figures, as recent headlines and reports indicate.

    "A handful of pro-Palestinian protesters interrupted Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris during her rally remarks."

    "Pro-Palestinian activists are issuing a new demand to Kamala Harris ahead of the Democratic National Convention."

    "Pro-Palestinian groups to protest Harris campaign stops"


  9. by oldedude on September 26, 2024 7:00 am
    You may think that Democrats are extremely pro-Palestinian, and anti-Semitic, but pro-Palestinian groups disagree. So would Doug Emhoff and the many Jewish political figures, as recent headlines and reports indicate.

    First, how many trumpsters do you see in the masses protesting FOR Palestine. My bet is they don't "identify themselves" as dims. They're greens, socialists, American Communist Party, etc. So yes, like the folks here on SS, who maintain if they're right of AOC, they have to be those fucking MAGA POS's. For us, if they're left of the kennedy's, they're just considered dims to us. Looks like a duck, web feet, quacks and waddles. I'm not going to waste my time going into all the sub groups on that. So, I'd say you're correct, it's just a question of semantics.

  10. by meagain on September 26, 2024 7:37 am
    You won't see many Trumpsters at anti-Israel rallies, od, just as you won't see many Harris supporters. It is extremists of any bent that carry out assaults. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists or whatever and some Jews.

    Until the terrorist rai and the ensuing genocidal assault on Gaza, anti-semitic incidents everywhere, not just in the USA were largely from the Right because that is where most extremist organisations are. There has been a leftward shift in the past year since as always, the Left takes the lead against war and tyranny.

    Most people, too, cannot distinguish between the State of Israel and the corpus of Jewry.

  11. by oldedude on September 26, 2024 9:35 am
    You won't see many Trumpsters at anti-Israel rallies, od, just as you won't see many Harris supporters. It is extremists of any bent that carry out assaults. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists or whatever and some Jews.
    My reply to curt addressed that. Although you are very dismissive and minimize the number of attacks on Jews, there is an alarming number of assaults in the past five years. Also alarming is the rise in crimes against the LGBTQ+ community, especially the trans community nationwide according to FBI statistics.

    Contrary to what are surely the prevailing assumptions, anti-Semitic incidents have constituted half of all hate crimes in New York this year, according to the Police Department. To put that figure in context, there have been four times as many crimes motivated by bias against Jews — 142 in all — as there have against blacks. Hate crimes against Jews have outnumbered hate crimes targeted at transgender people by a factor of 20.

    Until the terrorist rai and the ensuing genocidal assault on Gaza, anti-semitic incidents everywhere, not just in the USA were largely from the Right because that is where most extremist organisations are. There has been a leftward shift in the past year since as always, the Left takes the lead against war and tyranny.
    Also in the last group of citations in my last post, was the odd rise in antisemitic activity after 10/7. Which I honestly don't understand. That wouldn't be from conservative groups who have always had a "right to defend yourself" mentality, and also the murdering, gutting, and beheading of infants in front of their parents is untenable at the very least, regardless of the circumstances.

    Most people, too, cannot distinguish between the State of Israel and the corpus of Jewry.Bold
    I also disagree with that, but I'm not seeing it as an arguable point.
    nytimes.com

  12. by meagain on September 26, 2024 2:05 pm
    I neither dismissed nor minimised the anti-semitism, od. I explained where I believe it is coming from. There is an increase from the Left since that side is more supportive of Palestinian autonomy. It is also from the Right where antisemitism has always been strong.

    It comes only from extremists at both levels and from natural thugs who are always ready for an excuse. As the latter are all stupid, they would be mostly on the Right.

  13. by oldedude on September 26, 2024 3:34 pm
    I disagree with most of what you said. It's not worth arguing about it, and the FBI/DOJ would also take issue with it coming "mostly from the right."

    Like I said, the right has always been in existence but hasn't increased much these last few years. Definitely NOT worth 80- 140% increase year after year. And definitely NOT worth 50% of the hate crimes in NYC.

    Anti-Semitism in the US went up only "very, very little" during other wars in Israel's history - in 1967, in 1973 and during Palestinian uprisings in the 1990s and 2000s, says Yehudah Mirsky, a professor at Brandeis University who studies modern Jewish history.

    In the past couple of years, the Democrats have had a 'tectonic' shift on Israel. Experts say the recent attacks are being driven more from the political left than ever before. It comes as pro-Palestinian supporters blame American Jews for Israeli government policies.

    bbc.com

  14. by meagain on September 26, 2024 3:48 pm
    The BBC report says much the same as I did, od. But it is wrong in one respect. It is a moral problem perhaps more than political. The solutions will have to be political. They will not come until the mora; aspect is fore and centre.

  15. by oldedude on September 26, 2024 4:51 pm
    Okay, I think you're correct in that it is more of amoral thinking. And that it's okay to beat one another because it's not considered an "issue" to literally violently attack someone you disagree with. I have a different thought for myself, but I do agree with it becoming far more acceptable in global society. Even the thought of pushing someone on to the subway tracks and just walking away is becoming acceptable to more and more. I also think the "leaders" of the movement have a lot to do with that.

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