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I previously opined here that the poll numbers don't matter as much as...
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September 10, 2024 12:38 pm
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voter turnout. One predictor of voter turnout is voter enthusiasm. I still believe that.

Harris Voters’ Enthusiasm Surges Past Trump’s In Major Polling Turnaround—Here’s Why That Matters
(Forbes)Excitement among Harris voters now outpaces excitement among Trump voters, according to an Aug. 25-28 USA Today/Suffolk University poll of likely voters that found 68% of Harris supporters are “very excited” to vote for her, compared to 60% of Trump voters.

An Aug. 1-20 Gallup survey also found the share of Democratic voters and voters who lean Democratic who say they are “more enthusiastic than usual” about the election now outpaces enthusiasm among Republican voters and voters who lean Republican, 78% to 64%.

“The party with the higher net-enthusiasm score at the end of a presidential campaign usually sees their candidate win,” Gallup wrote in April. “This is likely because partisan enthusiasm at that point in the election cycle is closely tied to their candidates’ position in the pre-election polls—the better their party’s candidate is doing, the more enthusiastic they feel about voting.”

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HtS believes that lying Trump supporters, falsely claim that they will vote for Harris. It's more likely that news media and poll adverse MAGA cultists would simply refuse to answer the pollsters.

Non-lying Trump supporters that pollsters questioned are about ten percent less likely to be very enthusiastic than Harris supporters. That matters. If Kamala Harris can favorably impress the 28% of voters identified by the NY Time/Sienna poll who want to more about her, she can boost her voter turnout.

Harris has a higher ceiling than Trump, she also has a lower floor. There are not many people who don't know Trump's act. I don't think he will lose or gain many converts. She will be selling herself as if in a job interview tonight. Trump will be doing his best to denigrate her, rather than selling himself.

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  1. by Indy! on September 10, 2024 12:46 pm

    I'm with peebs on this one - I think Trumpers are lying to pollsters. How else could "60%" of them be "excited' to vote for Trump? 🤨


  2. by HatetheSwamp on September 10, 2024 12:51 pm

    "HtS believes that lying Trump supporters, falsely claim that they will vote for Harris."

    No. He simply claims that many MAGAs don't tell the truth about supporting Trump. Polls from previous elections strongly suggest that.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on September 10, 2024 1:06 pm
    "No. He simply claims that many MAGAs don't tell the truth about supporting Trump. Polls from previous elections strongly suggest that."

    HtS ask your alter ego what "he" means. If MAGAs are not admitting they support Trump who are they telling pollsters they will vote for?


  4. by Curt_Anderson on October 14, 2024 10:54 am
    I started this tread a month ago and stated then that the polls won't matter as much as voter turnout. I thought then and still think now that polls will remain close. The forecasters on 538, RCP, Silver Bulletin, betting sites and elsewhere are myopic in only looking at the polls, and that's understandable as they are practically the only numbers available. Prognosticators made the same mistake a couple of years ago when a "Red Wave" was predicted.

    The reports are that Harris has a much more robust get-out-the-vote operation than Trump who outsourced that to Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA.


  5. by Indy! on October 14, 2024 10:59 am

    Part of me still says Trump is not really interested in winning.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 11:09 am

    Let me start off with two words. I support the Dingbat. I support Cackles Mckneepads.


    The get out the vote issue, and...

    ... the shenanigans, i.e., ballot harvesting and ballot curing and diddling with the chain of custody of mail-in ballots are Kammy's only chance. It's Aa very real chance...

    But, she wouldn't be risking an interview with a genuine Fox News journalist if her own polls told her she's winning.


  7. by Donna on October 14, 2024 11:17 am

    Since you guys seem to know where all of the cheating in going to happen, it should be a piece of cake to provide proof this time around that it actually happened.

    If Kamala wins, I predict that your people won't provide such proof, as you all prefer take my word type "proof".




  8. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 11:41 am

    Donna,

    By definition ballot harvesting is very difficult to prove. And, diddling with the chain of custody with mail-in ballots is impossible to prove.

    That's what Dems did in 020.

    pb's been saying, since November 020, it will never be possible to know who would have won a free and fair election.

    Dems have been cheating since Tammany Hall. "Not a joke." They ain't stopping now.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on October 14, 2024 11:50 am
    HtS likes to whine about ballot harvesting as if it were a nationwide election problem and criminal enterprise without any voter safeguards.

    "Ballot harvesting" which is the collection of mail-in ballots by somebody other than the voter in every state in the union, except Mississippi.
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  10. by Donna on October 14, 2024 12:03 pm

    By definition ballot harvesting is very difficult to prove. And, diddling with the chain of custody with mail-in ballots is impossible to prove. - Hate

    Cop out




  11. by HatetheSwamp on October 14, 2024 12:06 pm

    Curt,

    Dems in Philadelphia and Delaware County in Pennsylvania achieved new heights in diddling with the chain of custody of mail-in ballots in 020. I posted about it in the moment. I see no reason at all not to think that they'll try it again.

    And, Josh Shapiro is a good governor but he's hyper-partisan.

    If the election in Pennsylvania is honest, Trump will win it. But, I suspect that it won't be.


  12. by Donna on October 14, 2024 12:28 pm

    Dems in Philadelphia and Delaware County in Pennsylvania achieved new heights in diddling with the chain of custody of mail-in ballots in 020. - Hate

    If you know that, then why can't you provide proof? If you can't provide proof, then you don't know that it actually happened. You might want to check with Marjorie, though, to find out if Jewish space lasers were involved.




  13. by Indy! on October 14, 2024 2:42 pm

    It's no wonder peebs likes Trump so much - they use the same standards for proof...

    They do not have to prove anything, everyone else has to prove everything.


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