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For Supporters of Ukraine, there's been a big milestone.
By oldedude
August 5, 2024 12:00 pm
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First F-16 fighter jets arrive in Ukraine, officials say

BERLIN – Ukraine has received its first collection of F-16 combat jets, Lithuania’s foreign minister and several officials confirmed on Wednesday.

The jets have been long anticipated, with discussions about providing the fighters to Kyiv dating back to the early days of the February 2022 Russian invasion of its smaller neighbor.


“F-16s in Ukraine. Another impossible thing turned out to be totally possible,” Vilnius’ Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis wrote on X.

The Associated Press and Reuters cited unnamed U.S. and Ukrainian officials who confirmed the delivery of the first jets. Publicly, Ukraine and its supporters are keeping tight-lipped; a top advisor to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he would neither confirm nor deny that Ukraine has received F-16s, NPR reported on Thursday.


I'm split on this. On one hand (I think it's a good idea).
Every NATO country has picked this aircraft up. It's great for our economy. We also know they're easier to fly than the old Soviet MiGs. They're lighter, their thrust to weight ratio is better, and they're an all-around bad ass all weather aircraft. We're also starting to work them out of our inventory.

Another issue is that maybe we could use another country to help take away one of our fronts (see below). Nothing bad in that.

On the other hand. Does this draw us in to another endless war. The Ukranian government is fairly well known to be almost soviet in their mannerisms. Meaning bribery, graft, and corruption are very common. That's a problem. I will say they're not nearly as bad as the Turks, and don't hate us as much.

If we're not really, really careful, we'll be fighting a three front global war we're not prepared for. For over three years, our military has worried more about being woke than their reason for existence. With the exceptions of the Marines. They refused to go woke because of the complete breakdown of the chain of command. They're not wrong. So we have one CORPS (~180,000 active-duty personnel) of Marines (an offshoot of a single department whose job isn't to fight on land). Granted, "your best friend, your worst enemy" is a true statement. If unleashed, they are fierce. And bloody. But they can't stand up to the 2-million-member Chinese Military (and they claim 3 million reservists).

I just thought I'd throw this out. I saw it on my dailies.





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Comments on "For Supporters of Ukraine, there's been a big milestone.":

  1. by Indy! on August 5, 2024 12:32 pm

    Coule easily cut all that down to 1/4 size.


  2. by oldedude on August 5, 2024 5:58 pm
    And I care why?


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2024 3:51 am

    OD,

    Does this mean endless war? The best question.

    I've been as hawkish as anyone on the strategic importance of Ukraine to the West. But, I was critical of "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" handling of the conflict since before the Russian attack.

    So, we're feeding our own Military Industrial Complex... until the American people have had enough. Then it will be Afghanistan all over again.

    And, you're right. Ukraine is corrupt and Zelenskyy is a Putin-ish dictator. Donna, in particular, here wants to fashion him as Gandhi 2.0... all our progressives do, except Indy...but he ain't.

    In time, voters will protest and, without any strategic consideration, we'll drop Ukraine like a hot potato.

    Typical. Sad.


  4. by oldedude on August 6, 2024 6:41 am
    So. Feeding our own "Military Industrial Complex" also means good paying jobs. I agree with the "endless war", although we may we need that in the near future to take one of the three wars over, so we're not caught between Russia, China, China and Iran/ Radical Islam. I think we're going to be feeding that just like we had to in WWII.

    My guess is that SEATO cannot handle China. Together, they don't have the military they did at the beginning of WWII to handle the Japanese. If Russia is only involved with NATO, that might be doable. Minus the MWD/CBRNE threat. In addition to that, Radical Islam and China have placed operatives in Europe and North America. (China in SEATO also). So while we're fighting a front, we're also fighting a terrorist or guerilla war on the homeland. Same with Europe.

    In addition to that, we'll still have "supporters" of both China and Radical Islam (with no logical ties*) assisting these groups (as seen on this site) out of nothing but the fantasy of 1. playing revolutionary (ego). 2. hatred of the US. and/or 3. a total misunderstanding of what these groups really are. These folks are generally looking for belonging and think they find it there. Most of them are a mix of two or three of the reasons as you can see on SS. These folks have no cultural, ethnic, or nationality ties to the groups. Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs call them "Clingers" or "hangers on." We call them "Useful Idiots."

    Again. To me, this is a really complex issue that we haven't seen before because of the global issues.


  5. by Ponderer on August 6, 2024 7:14 am

    I've been saying since the beginning that we should have gotten them a shitton of A10's very early on somehow. We're mothballing them now as it is.


  6. by oldedude on August 6, 2024 9:06 am
    They're testing out a new airframe. If those don't come up in the next whenever, we'll reactivate the hogs. The Marines have been trying to get them for about 10 years now.


  7. by Indy! on August 6, 2024 9:59 am
    by oldedude on August 5, 2024 5:58 pm
    And I care why?



    I give up - you care about Ukraine, why? It's a valid question. 🤔


  8. by oldedude on August 6, 2024 12:42 pm
    I don't give a shit about your remarks about my posts. Obviously you haven't read a post I've ever done.


  9. by Indy! on August 6, 2024 6:57 pm

    Sure I have, OD. I can't recall any except the one where you never backed-up your claim about some guy named "Jesus" "saving" people - but there are probably a couple more.


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