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Andrew Jackson: Good, Evil and the Presidency...or, Trump and MAGA 200 years ago
By HatetheSwamp
March 26, 2024 8:03 am
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You SS regulars may recall that my degree is in history... American history even... mostly from the era in which Andrew Jackson was prominent. I remembered that Jackson reshaped the Republic. And, vaguely in a way that might be seen as foreshadowing Trump and MAGA... for better and for worse.

However, my study focused on Christianity and its role in sparking anti-slavery and, eventually, feminism. And,... the revolutionary aspects of Jackson's political leadership has made me wonder how much leaders of emerging, well, Christian "sects" emulated him.

I stumbled on this PBS documentary with that in mind. The documentary was created when George W was President. It has no notion of what would happen from the time Trump went down the escalator near the end of the Obama presidency.

Still, I couldn't help think of Trump and MAGA.

I'm certain that today PBS could not produce this documentary today. Too much of Trump and MAGA has changed us.

I encourage you to check it out. It's a PBS program. One episode. It's not horribly long. I watched it at 1.5 speed so it doesn't take much time to finish it.

And, the similarities to what we've been through politically in the last 10 years are fascinating, to ole pb anyway.

Please. Check it out.



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  1. by Curt_Anderson on March 26, 2024 8:30 am
    I definitely will watch that documentary. I recall Trump saying that he was a big admirer of Andrew Jackson, not that I believe he’s done any study of Jackson, or any of the presidents.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on March 26, 2024 9:12 am

    Good. Let us know what you think.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on March 26, 2024 9:32 am
    Btw, from what I have read about Andrew Jackson I don’t like him.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on March 26, 2024 9:51 am

    Like?

    He was made by events that shaped him in his youth. His actual accomplishments were minimal but he brought about as much change in the way Americans relate to each other as anyone in our history.

    He served as an iconoclast.

    He destroyed his day's notion of who our elites were... and, for the most part, we benefit from that, IMO.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on March 26, 2024 10:15 am
    Jackson was responsible for the Indian Removal Act and the infamous Trail of Tears. Not that he was a rarity of his times, but he was clearly a racist. He did not appeal to our enlightened selves or our better angels. That's probably why Trump is a fan.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on March 26, 2024 10:19 am
    Incidentally, I visited his home, The Hermitage, near Nashville. It's not especially impressive.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on March 26, 2024 10:45 am

    Comment on his racism after you watch the documentary. It seems to me that being a racist means something different in America after the Civil War than before. My take on the documentary is that it's rather weak on the significance of the Trail of Tears. I, at least, was hoping for more.

    Having said that, one of the connections between MAGA, and anti-MAGA, and the people who revered Jackson, and didn't, is over those issues.

    As I've said, I know many, many MAGAs. None of them are virulent racists... though all of them, as far as I know, favor immigration reform.


  8. by Indy! on March 26, 2024 12:26 pm

    "As I've said, I know many, many MAGAs. None of them are virulent racists... "

    I'm guessing none of them own a mirror either. 🤔


  9. by HatetheSwamp on March 26, 2024 1:16 pm

    Indy!,

    You have MAGAs in the family?


  10. by Ponderer on March 26, 2024 2:31 pm

    "I would just like to take this opportunity to thank HatetheSwamp for carrying all this for me and for all the other virulent racists in our country's history..."



  11. by HatetheSwamp on March 26, 2024 2:59 pm

    huh


  12. by Curt_Anderson on March 26, 2024 5:46 pm
    Well, I watched it. The documentary was well done, but my negative opinion of Jackson remains. My view of him is actually worse. I don't know about his assault on the First Amendment: he tacitly encouraged southern postmasters to burn abolitionists' pamphlets.

    The PBS documentary called him "a democratic autocrat". He wasn't. He was an autocrat restrained somewhat by our governmental system. I say somewhat because he ignored Supreme Court decisions, the Constitution, laws and (earlier in his career) military orders (he ordered the extrajudicial executions of two men). He was a violent racist---not a person whom I admire.


  13. by Ponderer on March 26, 2024 5:58 pm

    And again, there was also the whole Trail of Tears he was absolutely responsible for.



  14. by HatetheSwamp on March 27, 2024 6:59 am

    One of Thomas Jefferson's better known observations, contained in a letter
    to James Madison in 1787, the year our Constitution was ratified:

    "...weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government."


    When I was watching the last few minutes of the Jackson documentary, I was asking myself if I'd been around then, if I'd think about Jackson what I think about Trump, i.e.,

    I despise Trump. I think that Trump is despicable...

    ..., but, I love MAGA.

    As a human being, I despise Jackson and I do think that he, personally, was despicable.

    However,...

    ...I think that what Jefferson understood about the value of "a little rebellion" happened through Jackson. That, I believe was a good thing. Not just a good thing, an EFFINgood thing.

    Less than 50 into the Republic, a Swamp was forming... a political elite, an increasingly corrupt and dysfunctional ruling class.

    And, Andrew Jackson was the point guard... the Isiah Thomas... of the little rebellion, though not an armed rebellion.

    I think that the people chose Jackson not vice-versa.

    What's still known as the Age of Jackson created a United States far more democratic than what the Founders were able to create in their time... and EFFINfar more than it was becoming by the time John Quincy Adams defeated Jackson in 1824 with it's "corrupt bargain."


    So, pb despises Jackson but he loves the popular impulse toward democracy that made his presidency possible... EFFINneccessary.

    pb often chastises po and Curt and t'other woke, white electric limousine lovin progressive Swampcultists here because pb's all about Lincoln's vision of a nation, "of the people, by the people and for the people..."

    ...and, you wokesters ain't. You're all about Swamp, and elitism. You're all about the spirit of the corrupt 1824 election and the enabling of an elite ruling class.

    So, I despise Jackson but love the yearning for democracy in his movement...

    ...just as I despise Trump and love MAGA...

    ...and, hate today's SS SwampLovers' cult.
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