by Ponderer on September 28, 2023 6:52 am
"Name a bill the Ds have actually passed that helped the poor and middle class specifically in the past 50 years. Not one that gives a few crumbs to the poors while giving billions to the wealthy - one created specifically to help the poor and middle class - and nobody else." -Indy!
Indy!, perhaps you could explain how such a thing is even conceivably possible. Seriously, I'd love to hear you try to construct a viable scenario where the government helps the people without also helping any industries that the help is related to. Because even if the government sent bundles of cash directly to every citizen, it would benefit stores, car dealers, and any other industry that the citizens would then spend that money on buying their products and services. I saw through your trick question and ignored it to give an answer that relates to reality.
So you demand an example of any help the government gave to the people, but it must ignore any additional costs that will affect the related industries? No matter what it costs or how it might even damage those industries? Well there's even some bit of that in the ACA, as is evidenced by the $740 we received back, like many also got from the insurance company that was mandated by the ACA.
But let's hear a hypothetical plan from you that the government could implement that would only help citizens while giving industries nothing.
And please feel free to include any Republican plans that fit your hypothetical bill. As it were.
"po perceives that OCare benefited po and that's all that matters to po. It's all about po!" -Hate
I should be tremendously frustrated with you at this point, Bill. But I understand your handicap and am trying to be patient with you lately. I realize that TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE being helped is meaningless to you and is not enough of an amount of humanity to awaken even the tiniest shred of basic human empathy that might still survive somewhere deep down in your makeup. So I understand that there is little point in trying to arouse any in you. But the true fact is that TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE were helped by the ACA and you are simply incapable of understanding how helping them was worth it. This is your shortcoming and not that of the ACA.
This is not about me. I have never suggested it was. It's about TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
And yes, I am among the TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE that the ACA has helped tremendously when we couldn't get any health care coverage at all. But I would feel the same about the ACA even if it hadn't helped me because it helped TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who were desperate with no end in sight. And to me, TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE being directly helped by a government program, and it even saving many lives of those people in the process, is in no way as inconsequential and meaningless to me as you perceive them to be.
Again, it's an empathy thing and I realize you can't understand it. So don't be too hard on yourself that none of this makes any sense to you.
by oldedude on September 28, 2023 9:14 am
Indy- The task was name something the Ds did for poor and average Americans that didn't include an even bigger payoff to the wealthy and/or corporate America. The ACA simply does not qualify - the people who made out the most was Big Insura, the healthcare industry and Wall Street. So debate those 10M people lucky enough to be covered out of the 40M who didn't have health insurance at the time (75% of whom probably still don't) until you're as blue in the face as you are at the polls and it still doesn't fit the test laid out before you.
I agree. 'nuff said.
by Indy! on September 28, 2023 9:20 am
Good lord, Pondy - it's HEARTBREAKING to see the way your ideology and politics have been completely broken in the wake of Hillary's easily predictable loss to Trump. At least Donna still genuflects to her former beliefs (while - true - also simultaneously undermining them by posting that load of crap from Bernie). Now to answer your question...
How does government pass something that helps the poor and average Americans without also simultaneously gifting an even larger handout to the wealthy? Raise the income tax rate on the wealthy and use the money to pay for public services. Remove the cap on the Social Security payroll tax and give everyone an increase in their benefits. There are a multitude of ways it can be done if you simply open up the Blue MAGA box you are locked in right now and think outside of it.
