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MAGA world weeps: Source for Trump-Russia dossier acquitted. John Durham strikes out after 3 years of trying.

By Curt_Anderson
October 18, 2022 2:21 pm
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Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout,
But there is no joy in MAGA world—mighty Durham has struck out.


Alexandria, Virginia CNN — Igor Danchenko, the primary source for the infamous Trump-Russia dossier, was acquitted Tuesday of four counts of lying to the FBI in an embarrassing defeat for special counsel John Durham.

Durham has taken two cases to trial, and both have ended in acquittals. After more than three years looking for misconduct in the FBI’s Trump-Russia probe, Durham has only secured one conviction: the guilty plea of a low-level FBI lawyer, who got probation.

The jury returned not guilty verdicts on all charges against Danchenko, a Russian expat and think tank analyst who provided the bulk of the material for the anti-Trump dossier. Durham initially charged Danchenko with five counts of lying to the FBI, but a judge threw out one of the charges on Friday.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2022 2:26 pm

    Curt,

    No doubt you know more about the MAGA world than do I but there was no expectation of a conviction...from what I know.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 2:34 pm
    No expectation of a conviction? Really? A three years investigation and two or three court cases and multiple defendants, millions of dollars spent with no expectations---wow!


  3. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2022 2:37 pm

    Just curious. How exactly do you define MAGA world?


  4. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 2:46 pm
    Before I define it, there is a question you've left unanswered, #85 and #89 in the thread linked below. To summarize the choices are:
    1. Your bodily autonomy is your own business, the lives of the post-born be damned.
    2. The government has a role and should have the authority to save lives.

    Which is it, 1 or 2?
    selectsmart.com


  5. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 2:50 pm
    Mr. Trump and his supporters have long insisted the inquiry would prove a “deep state” conspiracy against him, but after pursuing various baseless theories, Mr. Durham never found and charged one. Instead he developed two narrow cases accusing people involved in outside efforts to scrutinize purported links between Mr. Trump and Russia of making false statements.

    The first of those cases ended in an acquittal of the defendant, Michael Sussmann, a cybersecurity lawyer with Democratic connections. The trial against Mr. Danchenko is expected to be the last of Mr. Durham’s prosecutions, and the special counsel is expected to submit a final report to the Justice Department this year summarizing his findings.
    nytimes.com


  6. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 4:26 pm
    So after years of investigations, dismissed charges and acquittals can we all agree that we cannot dismiss the possibility that there was Russian collusion in Trump's election?

    Trump and his allies jumped on Durham’s investigation, promising it would prove that FBI agents were part of a “Deep State” and that Durham would uncover “the crime of the century.” Heather Cox Richardson. Sep 14, 20222

    Former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance tweeted, "The Durham investigation has been a complete bust, an abject lesson in what happens when the Justice Department is weaponized to do a president's political bidding. It will be held up to generations of prosecutors as a cautionary tale about what not to do."

    Former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal said, "Durham wins about as much as every other Trump lawyer."

    Former DOJ attorney Jeffrey Toobin wrote, "The John Durham investigation is a disgrace and a fiasco. Two acquittals at trial in a system where the feds win 95% of their cases. Trump and Barr said Durham would prove the Russia investigation unjustified. He's proven the opposite."
    heathercoxrichardson.substack.com
    rawstory.com


  7. by oldedude on October 18, 2022 4:37 pm
    You can't blame the originator of the Intel. It's not up to them. They'll tell you anything, it's up to the agents on the case to have supporting EVIDENCE to prove their case.

    You can, however, blame the political hacks in our government that used said intelligence, knowing that it was false, to use it in 1. false accusations and charges. 2. LIED to a federal judge repeatedly. 3. Used the fruit of the poison tree in destroying others. 4. systematically leaked the information in order to have stupid people actually believe the "intelligence" they KNEW was false. and 5. Stood by this information, changed evidence to give to the government, then changed it back.

    Those involved with the use and dissemination of this should be jailed. Most have acknowledged the wrongdoing but were given (almost) a slap on the wrist and released. They are still criminally liable.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 4:44 pm
    OD, too bad you didn't tell John Durham earlier that he cannot blame the originator of the intelligence. Not that he would have listened. I posted on this site at the start of Durham's quest, "we've been told repeatedly 'if you see something, say something'" Durham ignored me.

    As for your other five points, for some reason Durham and company couldn't make the cases you outline.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2022 5:10 pm

    Before I define it, there is a question you've left unanswered, #85 and #89 in the thread linked below. To summarize the choices are:...

    pb's the one who pointed out that we don't have the right to drink 10 vodkas then go joy riding in our Honda.

    But, I still have no idea what this has to do with the Dobbs decision.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 5:21 pm
    HtS,
    Maybe it's cognitive dissonance that makes if difficult for you to understand.

    1. You believe that government making medical decisions and telling women what to do with their bodies to save a fetus is good.

    2. But you also believe that government making medical decisions and telling you what to do with your body (upper arm in particular) to save vulnerable lives is bad.

    If I incorrectly characterized your beliefs above, please feel free to edit either one or both in your response post.










  11. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2022 5:25 pm

    Curt,

    pb believes that there is no right to abortion guaranteed by the Constitution and, or its Amendments and that matters such as this should be regulated by the people and their representatives.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2022 5:53 pm
    "pb believes that there is no right to abortion guaranteed by the Constitution and, or its Amendments"

    I believe that too. I also believe there is no right to have a vasectomy, a heart transplant or tonsils removed guaranteed by the Constitution and, or its Amendments. If anybody thinks otherwise, show me where in the Constitution or its amendments that those rights of medical procedures are guaranteed.

    However, the 14th Amendment establishes the right to due process at the state level. Due process has been used by the Supreme Court to strike down state legislation that restricts personal liberties and interests not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, such as the right to privacy. Those privacy cases included the use of contraceptives, interracial marriage, same-sex marriage and abortion.


  13. by oldedude on October 18, 2022 7:21 pm
    1. Right to Privacy is covered under the fourth amendment.
    It's not the availability of the use of contraceptives, interracial marriage, same-sex marriage and abortion. It's the reporting of those things.

    Such as if a person is married, has children, is in an interracial whatever, cannot be asked in a job interview or an application. You can't require the person to affix a picture of themselves for a job interview (there are specific case exceptions)' All of these waiver between the fourth amendment and title VI.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on October 19, 2022 3:04 am

    However, the 14th Amendment establishes the right to due process at the state level. Due process has been used by the Supreme Court to strike down state legislation that restricts personal liberties and interests not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, such as the right to privacy.

    You're right. Exactly.

    IMO, you've just identified what makes this Supreme Court unique. Big Brother jurisprudence came up with this "trick," this little scheme, to justify allowing the federal government squelching the rights of individuals...and states.

    And, this Court has said...several times, now..."Yo!, the Bill of Rights contains, as po'd say, the EFFIN Tenth Amendment."

    There's potential tension between the Tenth and Fourteenth Amendments. It's Big Brother's tool way to pretend that it's possible to apply the Fourteenth Amendment to many things it was never intended to. Liberal jurisprudence has been exposed as a "trick."

    For the moment, you Big Bro worshipers are going to have to deal with the reality that this Court understands the Tenth Amendment. You're not going to get away with your silly little Big Brother games.

    ...at least for now.


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