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Public Hearings into 1/6 Insurrection Begin

By Ponderer
June 9, 2022 8:52 am
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Other than picking up some more popcorn and ordering the pizza, I'm ready to watch the hearings today. I am really looking forward to it.

Who else is going to be watching? I know Hate won't be tuning in. He'll be watching whatever drek Fox decides to air while all the other networks are covering this historical event.

Actually, I am looking forward to Hate's reaction though, whether he watches it or not. He's sure to at least see highlights. He is a stereotypical representative of the MAGA wing of the Republican party, which is pretty much all of it. So his reactions will tell us a great deal about how the Trumpians will assess these hearings.

These hearings and the investigation are totally bipartisan. The Republicans won't really have anything to complain about. But they and Hate will anyways. Obviously.

MAGAs like Hate absolutely can not stand the truth. I can't say that I blame them, since it is NEVER on their side. So it won't surprise me if Hate says he tried to watch it, but he couldn't stand it for long. He'll give bullshit reasons why he couldn't. He'll take issue with specific people and how he just couldn't stand watching them or listening to their voices. He'll cast doubt on every single testimony and piece of evidence presented. And then most bizarrely, he'll somehow see the scathing and damning results of the investigation as a win for his side. As if they didn't find any wrongdoing at all by the insurrectionists or their Orange Lord and Master.

I can't wait. Don't disappoint me, Hate...

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Comments on "Public Hearings into 1/6 Insurrection Begin":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on June 9, 2022 9:28 am
    On this date in history in another important congressional hearing...

    In the spring of 1954, McCarthy picked a fight with the U.S. Army, charging lax security at a top-secret army facility. The army responded that the senator had sought preferential treatment for a recently drafted subcommittee aide. Amidst this controversy, McCarthy temporarily stepped down as chairman for the duration of the three-month nationally televised spectacle known to history as the Army-McCarthy hearings.

    The army hired Boston lawyer Joseph Welch to make its case. At a session on June 9, 1954, McCarthy charged that one of Welch's attorneys had ties to a Communist organization. As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy's career: "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness." When McCarthy tried to continue his attack, Welch angrily interrupted, "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"

    Overnight, McCarthy's immense national popularity evaporated. Censured by his Senate colleagues, ostracized by his party, and ignored by the press, McCarthy died three years later, 48 years old and a broken man.


  2. by Donna on June 9, 2022 9:39 am
    That America died.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 9:56 am

    These hearings and the investigation are totally bipartisan.

    po,

    You are an effin and unabashed liar.


    And, you're wrong. pb won't watch. pb will watch THE FIVE in the afternoon. After that, we'll probably watch what's on HGTV or Dabl whichEvie loves. I may watch a rerun of GUTFELD!, on YouTube after the fact.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 10:15 am

    BTW,

    pb hopes that the Committee will present evidence that Trump is morally and criminally connected to the Capitol riot.

    I despise Trump. I think he's despicable.

    My sense of most GOPs is that, by now, having Trump around is like wearing a brand new pair of Florsheims and stepping right into a fresh patty of cow skat.

    Let us nominate DeSantis and Tim Scott in 024 with no Trump drama and we'll win 45 states, 260 House seats and 60 seats in the Senate.

    So, pleeeeeeeeeeease!


  5. by Donna on June 9, 2022 10:49 am
    Well put, Hts.

    But good luck with that.


  6. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 10:54 am


    I guess I am kinda curious as to why Hate thinks I'm lying about the hearings being bipartisan.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on June 9, 2022 11:02 am
    Ponderer,
    Because Pelosi didn't accept insurrection collaborators like Jim Jordan to be on the committee.

    Good news for Jim Jordan fans! He will be getting some televised publicity. George Clooney and HBO are teaming up to tell the story of a decades-long abuse scandal at Ohio State University. Jim Jordan was a wrestling coach when the sexual abuse occurred.
    hollywoodreporter.com


  8. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 11:05 am

    Well, I hope you're lying. That would mean that you have at least some connection to reality.

    po. Nancy Pelosi didn't allow the House Minority Leader to appoint the GOPs he chose to serve on the Committee.

    You probably remember the truly partisan Senate Select Committee that investigated Watergate.

    This ain't that. I wish it were.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 11:12 am

    Curt,

    The GOPs nominated five House members to the Committee. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were chosen by the Dems, not GOPs.


  10. by Donna on June 9, 2022 11:20 am
    That would be like choosing atheists to sit on your church council, Hts.

    As for your Watergate reference, I'll give you a similar answer that I gave to Curt a little while ago: That Republican Party died. They actually had a shred of decency then.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on June 9, 2022 11:22 am
    HtS,
    Kevin McCarthy’s Jan. 6 committee picks were mostly Trump loyalists. Legitimate investigations cannot happen in any meaningful way when co-defendants and enablers are involved and making decisions. They would be rowing in the opposite direction...away from the facts and the truth.


  12. by Donna on June 9, 2022 11:32 am
    Let's hire Jeffrey Dahmer to run our daycare!

    Hts, if you really want to see Trump convicted, why are you suggesting an approach that would be antithetical to reaching that result?

    You really are a knucklehead.


  13. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 12:24 pm

    In Hate's book, it's it makes perfectly logical sense to put alleged (not for long) insurrectionists and co-conspirators on the committee that is investigating the insurrection and its co-conspirators. It's only fair apparently. To Hate. To the Republicans.

    But don't worry. I am sure that Jordan and other traitors to America who didn't get to sit on the committee will be getting a good deal of face time on video and in depositions in these hearings tonight and ongoing to make up for it.


  14. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 12:30 pm

    "I am terribly shocked at the undemocratic, unjust unfairness of the fact that I am being kept from putting any of my associates on the jury or on the prosecution's legal team in my trial. It's a travesty of democracy is what it is."

    -Al Capone





  15. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 12:40 pm

    "You probably remember the truly partisan Senate Select Committee that investigated Watergate." -Hate

    What about it? Most of the Republicans were quite aware that Nixon was caught dead to rights and they even told him so.

    What mistake(s) in the Watergate investigation and hearings do you think would have been advantages to Nixon had more Republicans been in there to correct them?

    I know you and all the other MAGAs were hanging your hopes on getting a few saboteurs like Jordan into the investigation to fuck the whole thing up to let Trump escape facing the truth of what he did. As if pulling that off would then mean that Trump and his co-conspirators and accomplices never did the things they did.

    So sorry it ain't gonna work out that way for you.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 1:12 pm

    Kevin McCarthy’s Jan. 6 committee picks were mostly Trump loyalists.

    Mostly?

    Fine.

    Two consequences of the way the House Dems have handled the investigation:

    1. It can't be described as bipartisan.
    2. It can be accused of being an Inquisition.

    For several reasons, I don't think that this extravaganza will amount to much. One is that it can't be trusted to be the result of an objective search for truth.

    But, again, I hope that the Dems nail Trump to the wall. That would be the best thing for the GOPs in 024.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 1:17 pm

    In Hate's book, it's it makes perfectly logical sense to put alleged (not for long) insurrectionists and co-conspirators on the committee that is investigating the insurrection and its co-conspirators. It's only fair apparently. To Hate. To the Republicans.

    But don't worry. I am sure that Jordan and other traitors to America who didn't get to sit on the committee will be getting a good deal of face time on video and in depositions in these hearings tonight and ongoing to make up for it.
    ~po

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

    Classic, ol time pondy!

    Thanks.

    You can't know how much I miss being able to read a handful of these posts every day!


  18. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 1:52 pm

    "You can't know how much I miss being able to read a handful of these posts every day!" - Hate

    I can imagine. Especially because my posts to you are some of the only truth you ever allow yourself to be exposed to.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 1:58 pm

    Especially because my posts to you are some of the only truth you ever allow yourself to be exposed to.

    You're not stalking me again, are you, po?


  20. by islander on June 9, 2022 2:19 pm

    Hate wrote: ”But, again, I hope that the Dems nail Trump to the wall. That would be the best thing for the GOPs in 024.”

    You are not the only one who, like you, voted for Trump twice to tell me that.

    I hope the Dems and Republicans on the committee nail Trump to the wall and hold him accountable too. It would be the best thing for the Republicans and "and" for our country . 

With Trump no longer holding power over them it just might give the Republicans a chance to clean house and rebuild their party into something more honorable and respectable.

    I hope they get that chance. 



  21. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 2:27 pm

    Oh if I was really stalking you, you wouldn't know about it.

    It's kinda hard to seriously consider these hearings and the investigation as an "inquisition". It's simply a gathering of evidence and statements under oath to find out what actually happened, how, who, and why. This body has no legal ability to indict or charge anyone or anything. It's just a collection of facts and evidence. And we're about to see a lot of what they found, i.e. facts and evidence you desperately DO NOT want to see.

    People are about to be fried by their very own words and actions. By the fact that others watched them say and do them and have given testimony under oath to that effect, corroborated by other evidence and testimonies.



  22. by Ponderer on June 9, 2022 2:29 pm

    Hey, Isle!

    Seriously, the best thing that could happen to the Republican party is if Trump and every one of his co-criminal cronies are put behind bars.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on June 9, 2022 2:34 pm
    I predict these hearings will result in an epidemic of cognitive dissonance among HTS and his ilk.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 2:51 pm

    There's something uniquely American about the energetic, chaotic, synergistic openness and inclusiveness that allows the GOPs to welcome Trump and his supporters. If there's some excess? That's American, too.


  25. by islander on June 9, 2022 3:03 pm

    Pondy---That would probably be “the best thing” !!!

    In my lifetime I’ve watched the Republican Party devolve over the decades into what it has now become. I honestly don’t know if it can “rebuild itself” into something honorable and respectable. It really might not be salvageable. The absolute “Best Thing” might be for those honorable Republicans, and there absolutely are some, who are in agony right now, who might reasonably disagree with us on some things, to start a “New Party”, and they could be our “Loyal Opposition”. Folks with whom we could sit down and work out our differences and come to compromises that would be acceptable to both sides. That’s what good statesmanship is all about.

    I'd hate to think that's just a Pipe Dream.


  26. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 3:30 pm

    isle,

    I'm afraid, for the sake of your dream, that Reagan seriously wounded Dem hegemony with a compliant GOP as a loyal opposition, and that Newt Gingrich put it out of its misery in 1994.

    Interestingly, to me, I was a Dem during the days of Dem greatness, so great that GOPs could only hope to be happy surfs.

    Significantly, when Dems lost me, and people like me, their day was done. In order for Dems to regain the sort of power that could compel GOPs to be only a loyal opposition, Dems are going to have to find a way to win me, and people like me, back.

    And, I doubt you want that sort of unwershed person back. You're going to have to say goodbye to your elitism to be as powerful as you once were. So far, you're choosing to be elite. You don't strike me as a Big Tent kinda guy. None of you do.


  27. by Donna on June 9, 2022 4:25 pm
    Hts is like a former cigarette smoker who hates cigarettes more than people who've never smoked cigarettes do.
    .


  28. by Donna on June 9, 2022 4:39 pm
    I was just watching Charlie- I mean Kevin McCarthy standing behind a podium complaining in front of reporters about inflation and the cost of gasoline.

    **rolling eyes**



  29. by HatetheSwamp on June 9, 2022 5:36 pm

    Have you seen polls of what voters care about in 022?


  30. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 3:55 am

    I hope the Dems and Republicans on the committee nail Trump to the wall and hold him accountable too. It would be the best thing for the Republicans and "and" for our country. With Trump no longer holding power over them it just might give the Republicans a chance to clean house and rebuild their party into something more honorable and respectable.
    ~isle

    You suggest that this is true, more and more, of the people you know and who voted for Trump feel this way. You may be right.

    But, I think many GOPs only voted for Trump to save the nation from Hillary and, later, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap."

    If you listened to that gay Guy Curt's never heard of, you know that Bill Barr will vote for Trump in 024, but only if the only remaining choice is the Flatulent Fool or Kammy or some other Dem.


  31. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 6:08 am

    I just saw a tweet from Randy Quaid that last night was "pure ULTRA TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME."

    That's a pretty accurate characterization.


  32. by Curt_Anderson on June 10, 2022 7:35 am
    You do know that Randy Quaid had some sort of mental breakdown and was living like a fugitive for a while, in Canada looking like a hermit.

    He really is deranged.


  33. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 7:44 am

    Yeah, Curt. But I haven't seen a more vividly accurate description of last night's event.


  34. by Donna on June 10, 2022 7:56 am
    Personally I don't pay attention to the rantings of mentally disturbed people.

    What is "deranged" about presenting factual events that were part of a coup plot?


  35. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 8:25 am

    What I thought was deranged was the inability of the Committee to suppress their irrational hate of OrangeMan.

    You couldn't see that, of course. You share it.

    It struck me that the presenters are more upset now than they were on January 7th.

    The reality is that no member of Congress was harmed in the attack and Joe Biden’s election was finalized on January 6. The only person who died in the riot itself was that one unarmed white woman.

    A hearing on January 6th could have been a celebration of the strength and resilience of the United States.

    Instead, it was an angry rant by people who just can't let go of the past.


  36. by Curt_Anderson on June 10, 2022 8:32 am
    That woman you mentioned was not unarmed. She was armed with an angry mob intent on attacking the members of Congress. There was another woman who died that day: she had a heart attack and or was trampled to death.


  37. by Ponderer on June 10, 2022 11:52 am

    "What I thought was deranged was the inability of the Committee to suppress their irrational hate of OrangeMan."

    Hatred of those who tried to overthrow and destroy our government is not an irrational hate at all. Not in the slightest degree.

    So you expect people to describe a violent attempt at overthrowing our government and the one who orchestrated it and goaded his followers into perpetrating it in a glowing, friendly, unbiased manner?

    What Trump did was absolutely heinous. Why should his callous disregard for our democracy and people's lives be sugar coated? All anyone did last night was show what he did and didn't do, and what he said and didn't say.

    I knew you would be totally impervious to even the tiniest shred of truth and reality that was presented. You certainly didn't disappoint.



    But at least the lie has been totally blown to pieces now, Bill. It has been proven that Trump knew... it was impossible that he didn't know... that he lost the election. Everyone around him knew and told him as much. And he no longer had anything whatsoever to base his knowing lie that he really won the election on. Yet his desperation to find some piece of flaming bullshit to hang his lie on never faltered. He became desperate to find enough people to lie and cheat for him in order to stay in office. He began begging state officials to break the law for him. He stood in front of his throngs of brain-dead followers and kept doubling down on his flaming, bald-faced, baseless lie that the election was stolen from him. And his brainless zombies, such as yourself, swallowed it whole.

    You and the other dedicated and devoted Trump cultists are choosing to believe a flat-out, bald-faced lie that literally has nothing at all to support it. And your denial of reality is totally indefensible. It only stands to show how totally little you really care about this country. You couldn't give a flying rat's ass about this country if it doesn't do whatever you want it to.

    You are all simply just immature, whining babies who couldn't accept the reality that your treasonous asshole criminal of a president was not reelected. As if such a thing happening was an absolute impossibility when it was a demonstrable likelihood all along.

    It's literally all you are. And you don't care a damn about what it does to the rest of the country by continuing to cry about it like spoiled, bratty two-year-olds.


  38. by Curt_Anderson on June 10, 2022 12:05 pm
    To piggyback on what Ponderer wrote above, if a person loves democracy (as the committee members do) it is not irrational to loathe anybody who would seek to undermine their democracy.



  39. by Ponderer on June 10, 2022 12:29 pm

    👍, Curt.

    See, since this country and our democracy doesn't matter a good god damn to Hate, he is incapable of understanding what you are even talking about.

    Yet Hate and these same flaming hypocrites were apoplectic and all up in arms demanding the immediate imprisonment of Hillary Clinton, even after years of REPUBLICAN hearings found absolutely no chargeable crime were ever committed by her. But hey, LOCK HER UP! anyway according to Hate and his fellow zombies because... well because her emails were the first salvos in destroying America or something.


  40. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 12:43 pm

    You and the other dedicated and devoted Trump cultists are choosing to believe a flat-out, bald-faced lie that literally has nothing at all to support it. And your denial of reality is totally indefensible ~po

    What exactly Trump knew and when he knew it is the question.

    Nuthin I saw or heard last night clarifies that issue...as much as your drives you, nuthin's settled.

    As you will recall, if you're courageous enough to remember, pb was condemning the riot as it was happening.


  41. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 12:47 pm

    So, Blue MAGAs, didn't you think that the whole thing was boring?


  42. by Ponderer on June 10, 2022 12:59 pm

    "What exactly Trump knew and when he knew it is the question." -Hate

    Exactly. And that is just what we are now learning pretty definitively in these hearings. The fact that you didn't watch any of the hearings and just checked out a couple videos from Fox's website or something is becoming pretty glaring.It is being shown and proven beyond any reasonable doubt in these hearings that Donald Trump knew he lost the election. And he therefore knew it every time he stood in front of a microphone and declared otherwise.

    Not accepting truth is not a the same as not knowing what you now know is the truth. Trump knows it and knew it alright, but he just refused to accept it.

    I mean, look at yourself. You know that there isn't a shred of evidence whatsoever that Trump won the election and was cheated out of it. But you just refuse to accept it. It doesn't mean that you know he won.


  43. by Ponderer on June 10, 2022 1:04 pm

    We watched the whole thing. As we plan to do with the rest of them.

    Boring...? No. Not particularly. What an irrelevant thing to bring up.

    But there we go again with your insatiable, overblown ego. As if everything must entertain you or it has no value or meaning at all. You're sickening.


  44. by Curt_Anderson on June 10, 2022 1:06 pm
    "What exactly Trump knew and when he knew it is the question." -HtS

    That's your defense of Trump?!

    In general, every crime involves three elements: first, the act or conduct (“actus reus”); second, the individual's mental state at the time of the act (“mens rea”); and third, the causation between the act and the effect (typically either "proximate causation" or "but-for causation").

    For example, within the last week a two-year old picked up a gun and shot his father in the back, killing him. Obviously the two-year old did not have the mental capacity to know that pulling the trigger would result in a bullet being fired with fatal consequences.

    So you are defending Trump on the “mens rea” grounds that he didn't know he lost the election? There were 60 courts, some with Trump-appointed judges, who ruled that Trump lost. There were recounts and re-recounts and audits confirming that Trump lost. His attorney general and DOJ told him he lost. So did his own data election analyzers say he lost. Mark Meadows knew "there was no there" to make a case that didn't lose.

    Trump is not a two-year old. Denialism and willful ignorance of the facts is not the same as having the mental inability to understand something.
    abcnews.go.com


  45. by Ponderer on June 10, 2022 1:08 pm

    Maybe Hate is trying to make a case that Trump is innocent by reason of insanity...?


  46. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 1:19 pm

    Boring...? No. Not particularly. What an irrelevant thing to bring up.

    It seems to me that it's extremely relevant. If all the things you want to be
    true about January 6 is true, if only you 35% who approve of the way President Clouseau is doing the job care, nuthin's going to come out of this.


  47. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 1:25 pm

    That's your defense of Trump?!

    Defense?

    I'm not defending Trump. If it turns out that po's hate-driven view of Trump's participation in the riot is the case, I'll be happy to condemn Trump.

    If po's right, Trump won't be the GOP nominee in 024 and nuthin could be better for the party.

    Thing is. I can't see po's understanding being even remotely connected to reality.


  48. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 1:27 pm

    Maybe Hate is trying to make a case that Trump is innocent by reason of insanity...?

    It's possible that I've never mentioned my view of Trump. In case I haven't:

    I despise Trump. I think he's despicable.


  49. by Curt_Anderson on June 10, 2022 1:29 pm
    HtS,
    There is no contradiction between Trump being guilty and Biden being underwater in the polls.


  50. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 1:40 pm

    Curt,

    I think the baseline of people motivated to do something about what happened 18 months ago is people who can still stomach the Doddering Old Fart. Those people are hard-core.

    If something's going to come out of this...something that would please you...there's going to have to be popular support.


  51. by Curt_Anderson on June 10, 2022 1:47 pm
    HtS,
    Now THAT notion is irrational. The perceived popularity of Trump or Biden has nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence of possible crimes.


  52. by Ponderer on June 10, 2022 1:51 pm

    Yeah! C'mon, Curt! It was just some little ol' violent insurrection thing to overthrow the government and take over in an authoritarian coup that happened like a year and a half ago. It wasn't like it was some important historical event or anything. There's no good justifiable reason anyone would still be concerned enough about it to still be talking about it if they weren't just using it for political benefits.


  53. by islander on June 10, 2022 2:39 pm

    ”But, I think many GOPs only voted for Trump to save the nation from Hillary and, later, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap."

    I’m sure there were Republicans who voted for Trump because they didn’t like Hillary, although more than half the American voters liked Hillary more than Trump. Most Republicans, like most Democrats, will usually vote for their own party’s candidate.

    What you are ignoring is the large numbers of Republicans who enthusiastically voted for Trump in the “first election” because they thought he was going to be their savior. They believed he was a genuine person “just like them” and that he said the things they all wanted to say. He was a regular guy and not a politician...He was just wonderful. Just what the country needed.

    The second time around though, many of them saw what a terrible mistake they’d made and realized they had been conned. That’s why Trump lost the second election but he still held on to many of his base even though they now knew what he was, and, like you, they admitted that (now) they “really” despise him and they admit he is rotten to the core. But, like you, they voted for him because they hated the Democrats and the “libs” even more. Now that they know the libs were right about their man all along (and this eats away at them), many of them have entered the third stage . They now have to admit what Trump is and that their Republican heroes are a bunch of misfits, and their heroes have been conniving them all along by simply playing to their worst instincts...They have turned into cynics, claiming that one party is just as bad as the other...They are all no good! A cynic is a disappointed idealist.

    Although, even fewer than in the last election, some of them, like you, would still vote for Trump if he were ever to run again just out of spitefulness. I doubt they’ll ever get that chance though, there are too many good and decent people in our country to ever let that happen. Trump’s handlers know better than to try and use him as their candidate just so that they can hold onto their power. They know that except for his most irrational hard core supporters, “Trump has been found out”...I’m sure you know what that means.


  54. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 4:15 pm

    Trump got 9 million plus more votes in 020 than in 016.

    Though we'll never know, the Doddering Old Fool probably didn't legitimately win the election.


  55. by islander on June 10, 2022 4:27 pm

    "Trump got 9 million plus more votes in 020 than in 016".

    You don't know that!

    Biden got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history!


  56. by HatetheSwamp on June 10, 2022 5:25 pm

    As Dinesh D’Souza splains it, the Former Truck Driver got 81 million ballots, not votes.


  57. by islander on June 11, 2022 4:01 am

    That's how we Vote. With ballots.

    Biden got "millions" more votes than Trump.

    In fact, "Biden got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history!"... That's why he's president and Trump's not.

    As unhappy as it makes you...It's how we do things in my country !!!




  58. by HatetheSwamp on June 11, 2022 4:15 am

    Right. Dems win when dozens of people cast a few thousand harvested ballots each. It's amazing, really, that Joe didn't draw 100 million "ballots."


  59. by islander on June 11, 2022 4:28 am

    The Republicans did their best to hijack the election but they were caught red-handed. Our courts proved that your assertions were bogus.

    I understand how unhappy that must make you.


  60. by HatetheSwamp on June 11, 2022 4:34 am

    isle,

    Simple enough.

    Have the courage to watch, 2,000 MULES, then tell me the Dems didn't cheat.


  61. by islander on June 11, 2022 4:36 am

    "Reviews of the hearing have generally concluded that it was a powerful presentation that effectively put former president Trump at the center of a conspiracy to overturn our democracy. And there has been little convincing pushback from Trump loyalists. Conservative commentator Bill Kristol noted: “Tons of counter-programming from the Right. But no counter-evidence.”

    "In fact, a great deal of the power of the committee’s presentation last night came from the fact that many of its key witnesses were themselves members of Trump’s inner circle. Those witnesses included his attorney general, William Barr; Trump campaign spokesperson Jason Miller; Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley; and Trump’s own daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner. They established that Trump indeed knew he had lost the election, that he nonetheless stoked a movement to keep him in power, and that when the insurrectionists attacked the Capitol to stop the counting of electoral votes, he refused to intervene to protect lawmakers, law enforcement officers, or the law." *

    * H.C.R.


  62. by HatetheSwamp on June 11, 2022 5:17 am

    "Reviews of the hearing have generally concluded that it was a powerful presentation that effectively put former president Trump at the center of a conspiracy to overturn our democracy.

    This has not been my experience. On Fox, Glenn Beck and that gay Guy Curt's never heard of, reviews have been virtually unanimous: Almost nuthin new and, at times, patently dishonest.

    And there has been little convincing pushback from Trump loyalists.

    She can't be serious and you can't be serious in quoting her. IT WAS AN effin SHOW TRIAL!

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha!



  63. by islander on June 11, 2022 6:41 am

    "She can't be serious and you can't be serious in quoting her. IT WAS AN effin SHOW TRIAL!"

    I understand how much you wish that were true. I really do LoL !!

    It's not even a TRIAL, it's a congressional hearing open to the public made up of Democrats and Republicans who are investigating Trump and his cohorts attempt to steal the election.

    The committee has done and is doing a wonderful job of gathering the evidence and laying it out before your eyes.

    If the evidence they gather, and the evidence the Justice Department gathers is deemed sufficient THEN their will be a trial.

    That's how we do things in my country! 👍


  64. by HatetheSwamp on June 11, 2022 7:41 am

    Until you can say there was no convincing (bahahahahahahahahahaha) pushback from Trump loyalists, you should take a substantial gander at Fox News, Fox Business, Fox Nation, Newsmax, Glenn Beck and Clay and Buck.

    You wanna suggest Heather did that? You wanna tell me that she's not commenting in ignorance!!!!!? What exactly did Glenn and Buck say that wasn't compelling!!!!!


    Can't you UNDERSTAND that this is what happens in Tin Horn dictatorships do?

    The, uh, People's Congress, assembles to conduct public hearings on an "enemy of the people," without even inviting that person to appear and, certainly, not allowing that person to be represented. Exactly that.

    Political independents and moderates vote based on very shallow criteria. One, of course, is how much do essentials, i.e., food and housing and fuel cost.

    Another is how friendly and fair are the people in power. One reason that Joe could win from his basement is that Donald Trump is an arrogant, nasty, narcissistic, mean, bullying, nasty, despicable SOB.

    Moderates and independents can see the unfairness of what's going on now. They UNDERSTAND, brute-force totalitarianism.

    These, uh, hearings, are not helping your cause.


  65. by Ponderer on June 11, 2022 8:35 am

    The sun rising...

    The tide turning...

    The seasons changing...

    The wave crashing on a shoreline...

    Nothing is as absolutely reliable as Republicans like Hate lying their fucking asses off to save them.


  66. by Ponderer on June 11, 2022 8:41 am

    I think Hate actually believes that reviews of the hearing from such sources as Fox, Glen Beck and himself are in any way relevant to or representative of what they actually were.

    He expects us to think that there were any circumstances at all under which such sources would have possibly given positive reviews of such a thing.

    A negative review from Republicans about hearings into crimes that Republicans committed. Whoa Nelly. Who'da ever expected such a thing?

    Ya got nothing, Bill.


  67. by islander on June 11, 2022 8:52 am

    Notice it said "convincing pushback".

    There's been some pushback but no convincing pushback. It's just the same ole, same ole, ploy of trying to use the fact that in this election just as in "all" our elections, there has been and always will be a small number of people (on both sides) who try to commit voter fraud, as if that somehow proves that "this" election was fraudulent.

    What took place after this election was that the Republicans brought their evidence to court and resoundingly lost their cases in court for good reason. Their was no convincing evidence of massive voter fraud that could have affected the outcome of the election. That's a 'fact' you simply can't accept.

    You and yours can continue to "claim" you have evidence of massive voter fraud ad infinitum but you don't have any. Your "evidence" was shown to be what it was in our courts of law..."Millions more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

    Trump and the Republicans have been trying to overturn the election and steal it from the American people even before the electoral votes were counted by the Vice President...We all know this. Some, like you, simply refuse to accept it and we can live with that, we know that there are some people who cannot accept reality and there is little we can do to help them.


  68. by Donna on June 11, 2022 8:56 am
    They all read the same talking points, including the straight white bald guy from Pennsylvania who hates the swamp. No surprises. I mean we expected this, right?

    All of this whining, complaining, deflecting - They just don't like seeing and hearing incriminating things about their party leader. They know he and his mob of traitirs planned the whole thing. And now the sorry, unamerican plot has been exposed for all to see, and of course they can't allow that to stand. Talk about a yawner.

    I can't tell you how sad and depressing it is for me to see these freaky right-wing nihilists continue to try to destroy America. I think they're under the spell of a great darkness we've seen before throughout m history. It pops up every so often.

    Like I've said many times over the last six years, I completely understand now how the Nazi freaks took over Germany. Btw, there's a reason that the party of choice for modern-day Nazis is the Republican Party.

    Holefully the good, decent people of America will be able to wrather the storm hold the country together as the dark powers try to smash it to bits and transform it into an ugly contorted hellhole.



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