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Some are calling what Trump and Musk are doing an "auto coup"
By Donna
February 3, 2025 4:20 pm
Category: International

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Autocoups occur when a duly elected executive suspends the legislature and judiciary or withdraws civil liberties and otherwise violates the constitution—sometimes with the intent of protracting their rule. But the number of autocoups that have occurred in democracies again place us in the land of very few data points: Hitler in 1933, Uruguay in 1972, Peru in 1992 (and some argue, again in 2019), Turkey in 2015, Hungary this year, Bolivia before Morales was exiled to Mexico last year, and Maduro in Venezuela over the last few years. If we again stretch the definition of democracy we might include episodes in Pakistan, Panama, The Philippines, and Sri Lanka. The key to successful autocoups? An executive opportunistically declares a state of emergency and then uses extraordinary powers to arrogate more authority, the way Viktor Orban did in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Jeremy Konyndyk, USAID Staffer and president of Refugees International:

"So, I have not seen any reporting that suggests that Elon Musk has a valid security clearance, particularly to access the systems that it seems like they were trying to access, which were tapped into the highest-level national security networks that the U.S. government has.

USAID is a national security agency. You know, it conducts foreign policy work. And as such, in its, what are called SCIFs — those are the rooms where special compartmentalized information can be stored. It has a couple of SCIFs, as all the national security organizations do. And most staff at USAID rarely go in there and never need to consume that information. When I was working on COVID, I barely went in that room. But it exists. It’s there for some of the programs that need it.

And Elon, through that, if he has access to that, if his minions on this DOGE group of twentysomethings have access to that, that is some of the most sensitive national security information that the U.S. government possesses. None of them, as far as I have heard, have a valid clearance for that. And I think what you saw or reported of the two security staff is that they tried — as they are legally required to do, they tried to block people without a valid clearance from breaching classified information. And for that, they were pushed out of the agency. And reportedly, the Trump-appointed chief of staff, who had just arrived, also resigned over this. So, I mean, that should be a huge, huge, huge alarm bell.

You know, in terms of specific contract information, I’m not sure what rivals he might be looking for. I don’t get the sense he’s looking for a competitive edge here or something. I think he is just looking to destroy this agency, because if they can destroy this agency without any consultation with Congress, without any public disclosure of what they’re doing, without even an executive order giving them fig leaf from the president to do this, if a private citizen can just go in and destroy a federal agency, then we are in a dire, dire place as a government and as a country."





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  1. by Donna on February 3, 2025 5:20 pm

    "And I think what you saw or reported of the two security staff is that they tried — as they are legally required to do, they tried to block people without a valid clearance from breaching classified information. And for that, they were pushed out of the agency. And reportedly, the Trump-appointed chief of staff, who had just arrived, also resigned over this. So, I mean, that should be a huge, huge, huge alarm bell."

    Which brings us to why Musk brought those six young employees of his along with him: to hack into USAID's computer system.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on February 3, 2025 5:51 pm
    Funny how Trump and the Republicans were persnickety sticklers for strict adherence to protocols and security standards when Hillary Clinton was a little loose with her email. Now not so much.

    Inside Musk’s Aggressive Incursion Into the Federal Government
    (NYT)In Elon Musk’s first two weeks in government, his lieutenants gained access to closely held financial and data systems, casting aside career officials who warned that they were defying protocols. They moved swiftly to shutter specific programs — and even an entire agency that had come into Mr. Musk’s cross hairs. They bombarded federal employees with messages suggesting they were lazy and encouraging them to leave their jobs.

    Empowered by President Trump, Mr. Musk is waging a largely unchecked war against the federal bureaucracy — one that has already had far-reaching consequences.

    Mr. Musk’s aggressive incursions into at least half a dozen government agencies have challenged congressional authority and potentially breached civil service protections.

    nytimes.com


  3. by Indy! on February 3, 2025 6:31 pm

    Why hasn't someone arrested him? There has to be more than one federal agency with the power to arrest him for breaking the law. Why are we just whining about it? Next time Musk shows his face - arrest his fat, lily-white, nazi ass.


  4. by oldedude on February 4, 2025 5:53 am
    "And I think what you saw or reported of the two security staff is that they tried — as they are legally required to do, they tried to block people without a valid clearance from breaching classified information. And for that, they were pushed out of the agency. And reportedly, the Trump-appointed chief of staff, who had just arrived, also resigned over this. So, I mean, that should be a huge, huge, huge alarm bell."
    Everything you said is/was conjecture without any fact. My guess is your "security staff" were in fact computer folks with the proper clearances.

    Things I agree with indy on. 1. Arrest Musk. If it's in violation of the law, ensure he's brought to justice in a court of law using actual LAW, not what you "think."

    2. USAID does not have ANY stops on their spending. They have no congressional oversight on their money. They are completely without any checks and balances. Secondly, they were "invented" during/ right after "bay of pigs" for the expressed purpose of circumventing the federal government to do illegal things the state department doesn't want to tell anyone they're doing. In case you're wondering, that violates the constitution.

    3. Do they do good things? sometimes. We were part of a mission in Costa Rica in the 1990's to build some schools do some other stuff. They're also responsible for giving books to the radical Islamic schools to teach them how to build bombs while they learn how to read. That was part of the UNESCO fiasco that brought weapons into Gaza that got people killed.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2025 8:14 am

    You TDSers are a royal freakin friggin EFFINhoot!

    Some of Trump’s friggin Cabinet nominees will pass the Senate's scrutiny by the skin of their teeth. Some may be rejected...

    ... and you think Trump could execute a coup!!!!! Bahahahahahahahahahaha ha!... that he would!

    Oy, do I ever regret saying, let me start off with two words. I support Kammy. I support Kammy.

    A Cackles Mckneepads' presidency could have never been this much fun!!!!!

    And,...

    We're only two weeks in. Whadahoot! Whada freakin friggin EFFINhoot!!!!! Keehee ha!


  6. by Donna on February 4, 2025 11:06 am

    "Everything you said is/was conjecture without any fact. My guess is your "security staff" were in fact computer folks with the proper clearances." - od

    Your "guess". LOL.







  7. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2025 11:09 am

    Donna,

    Don't you mean, *yawn*, bahahahahahahaha!


  8. by Indy! on February 4, 2025 11:41 am

    This whole DOGE thing is nothing more than a DODGE. The only place in government to save any real money is...

    Medicare

    Social Security

    and the military.

    Those are the 3 big ticket items that could actually get the country back on financially sound ground. The good news it would be EASY to right all 3 of those ships...

    Medicare - universal healthcare. We could cut healthcare costs by approximately 3/4s (and IMPROVE actual healthcare at the same time!)

    Social Security - remove the cap on payments into the system. There is no reason to have a cap except to give more money to people who don't need it.

    Military - we could easily cut it down to about 1/10th the size it is now. That's if we include all the "security" apparatus as well (the NSA, Homeland "Security" 🙄, etc...) Most of those are just glorified jobs programs for people who can't get a real job (like Tulsi and serial molester Pete Hegseth).


  9. by Indy! on February 4, 2025 11:43 am

    The bad news? Nobody in government or on either... ahem... "side" of the "two" parties has the balls to do it. Least of all the pasty-white panty wastes running the show now.


  10. by meagain on February 4, 2025 1:27 pm
    "3. Do they do good things? sometimes. We were part of a mission in Costa Rica in the 1990's to build some schools do some other stuff. They're also responsible for giving books to the radical Islamic schools to teach them how to build bombs while they learn how to read. That was part of the UNESCO fiasco that brought weapons into Gaza that got people killed."

    What a load of hogwash!

    Ending USAID is an act of almost unparalleled cruelty. USAID has been a vital part of the development and anti-poverty initiatives in 100 or more poor countries. Trump's action is an example of the creature's lack of concern for others: for their health or lives. America first isolationism is also part and it cedes political influence in those countries to China. A serious setback for America's foreign policy and for world security - including America's.


  11. by Indy! on February 4, 2025 2:00 pm

    Anything that is not covered on Fox's Fairy Tale Factory is beyond the orange ass monkey.


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