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Was JD Vance a combat correspondent like he claims? Nope.
By Curt_Anderson
August 9, 2024 9:11 am
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JD Vance is no Ernie Pyle. JD Vance never saw combat. Actually Vance was a public affairs specialist, not a “combat correspondent”.

Here is the definition:
Combat correspondents also known as war correspondents operate in the most conflict-ridden parts of the world. Once there, they attempt to get close enough to the action to provide written accounts, photos, or film footage. It is often considered the most dangerous form of journalism.

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  1. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 9:37 am
    If you could "journal" professionally, it would be Vance "escorting" you around trying to keep your pussyass alive.

    ALL Marines, after basic training, Must attend the School of Infantry. ALL Marines. Media, cooks, everyone. Because unlike the Navy or Air force, Every Marine IS an infantryman. He was assigned to a helicopter squadron. That doesn't lend itself to a lot of CQC. Different mission.

    The idea that Vance shirked his duties is repulsive to me. He joined he did ALL his time. He got an honorable discharge and was awarded some pretty decent medals for an E1-E4. So in four years, JD was an NCO. You have to show actual leadership to get that in that amount of time.

    Your complete lack of integrity doesn't really stun me. You're doing the same thing kelly was ordered to. And you're falling for it hook, line, and sinker. Except it cost kelly his soul with military folks. He may have gotten paid, but you just do it for free.

    With every veteran, my only question, if that's 2 year or 40 years. Did you do all your time. If the answer is yes. I'm good. If they're a cook, or a navy Corpsman (AGAIN PROUNCED COREMAN). They're a person of honor. They keep their word. If they got out early (failure to adapt, AWOL, etc) fuk'em. They can't keep their word, I have nothing in common with them and they're out of my life.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on August 9, 2024 9:55 am
    A crime reporter that implies that they show up to crime scenes. If a person reports on agriculture, you’d have the impression that they occasionally visit farms. A combat reporter, you would expect, reports from where combat is happening. A real combat reporter isn’t reporting merely about combat, they are reporting from combat.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 10:18 am

    What does JD claim?


  4. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 10:37 am

    "A combat reporter, you would expect, reports from where combat is happening." -Curt

    Or more likely in most instances already happened.



  5. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 10:46 am
    curt- I'm sorry. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's an MOS (military Occupational Specialty), not just a name they picked out of the air for him. If you had an ounce of integrity, you'd at least quit being the "good little german" and look shit up.

    I think I've been fair with tampontim. I took his side at first because the dims are too stupid to stop the hemorrhage of "information" that may or may not be on either side. That means they're hiding something. I haven't seen his "discharge" paperwork (like I said before). I would like to see his NGB22. It would have loads of information that would bring your (or mine, I'm open to that and you'd get an apology) stupid shit to an end.

    But I'm interested in his story from MNARNG. They DO NOT agree with you. And THEY are the authority in this matter. Everyone else is nothing but bullshit.

    You have ZERO basis for what you're saying. Hell, you couldn't even hack the Navy or Air Force, so to speak to either of these cases makes you just look stupid. Just like you do with "constitutional" and "law" issues. You're so blinded by your dogma, you parrot information without knowing what you're saying. I have actually cited where I got my information. You cite other people that are hired thugs for your party. Right now, I don't trust either side and will check my information. But honestly, until you can show that the other good little german your being the parrot for is correct. You have no clue WTF you're talking about.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on August 9, 2024 10:53 am
    HtS,
    Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps.

    Vance has never corrected or clarified that “combat correspondent” is a grandiose overstatement.
    stripes.com


  7. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 11:04 am
    Lead- neither of them actually understand WTF they're talking about. or what it entails.

    A Marine Corps Combat Correspondent (MOS 4341) collects news and feature information for a variety of media platforms. The media platforms include newspapers, magazines, radio, television, and websites. The coverage is intended for both internal military release as well as external release to the broader American media.

    A Marine Corps Combat Correspondent (MOS 4341) collects news and feature information for a variety of media platforms.

    The media platforms include newspapers, magazines, radio, television, and websites.

    The coverage is intended for both internal military release as well as external release to the broader American media.

    Combat Correspondents help deliver a unique perspective about life inside the Marine Corps.

    The job is very comparable to the role of a civilian journalist only that you receive your paycheck from the Marines and also live a military lifestyle.

    Combat Correspondents are respected by their peers because they are sometimes deployed in battle zones and report directly on the front-lines.


    This is what I was talking about. SOI, even for JD is a level above Army Infantry School at Ft Benning. SOI for 0300 Marines is one of the toughest infantry schools in the free world.

    The School of Infantry (SOI) is the second stage of initial military training for enlisted United States Marines after recruit training. The IMC (Infantry Marine Course) is a 14-week course. The School of Infantry's training mission ensures "Every Marine is, first and foremost, a Rifleman". At SOI, Marines with the Military Occupational Specialty of infantry (0300 occupational field) [this school would not apply to Vance] are trained at the Infantry Training Battalion (ITB), while all non-infantry Marines [this school does apply to Vance] are trained in basic infantry and combat skills at the Marine Combat Training Battalion (MCT Bn). SOI marks a transition in the professional training of entry-level students from basically trained Marines to combat-ready Marines.
    operationmilitarykids.org
    en.wikipedia.org


  8. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 11:13 am
    Curt- Read below. I was mistaken.

    Ours were "Public Affairs" folks, that differs between each branch to more accurately represent the MOS/AFSC. So my apologies for that one. They ARE Combat Correspondents. All of them. They can be assigned to the Pentagon, they don't change "names" they're STILL MOS 4341, Combat Correspondents. Obviously, Vance had the expertise in the career field to be an NCO and lead people.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on August 9, 2024 11:19 am
    “Combat Correspondents are respected by their peers because they are sometimes deployed in battle zones and report directly on the front-lines.”. —-OD’s post.

    In JD Vance’s case, make never in four year’s time. Rather convenient politically to have glory of the title without ever having to be at any risk in a combat zone. Where are the persnickety “stolen valor” complainers now?




  10. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 11:47 am
    I find it very interesting that curt and co, are jeering at Vance because he is a "FORMER MARINE," he was placed (by the Marine Corps) in an MOS the USMC wanted him in. He didn't bail when his unit's deployment came up. He served his time as his contract stated to the country and the Marine Corps and fulfilled all his requirements (and did them well).

    And "tim" who was in a long time. And, when there was a call to deploy, he skidded out on his cowardly ass. The dims have not given out any of the information on how he got out. Nor has the MNARNG. That is very suspicious to me. kammy could have gotten rid of this mess a week ago. Instead, everyone is pissing on the other side because of a lack of facts. I think it's because of design. Kammy's just lying to you again.


    *I'm going to say something about deployments. Many people are questioning Vance for "only being in country" for six months. The only US Service that deploys more than six months is the US Army. And there are lots of issues with that. Divorces PTS, and a whole bunch of other things.

    #2. Just because someone/anyone is not taking direct fire and firing back doesn't mean crap. There are rockets constantly, terrorists trying to kill American, and blowing shit up daily.


  11. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 11:51 am

    This is a non-issue to the outside world. We did this with Clinton and the ROTC - nobody cared. Obama ran against a Vietnam veteran who was considered a hero by many. Nobody cared.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 11:53 am

    I can't see stolen valor there.

    What's obvious is that Tim Walz is a cl*ster f*ck as a Veep selection and progressives are scrambling to cover Kammy's a$$.

    Nice try.


  13. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 11:56 am

    Funny how the Kamala team doesn't seem to think so. The massive audiences at their rallies seem to like the guy just fine. And the one thing you never hear at any of their appearances?

    "Tampon Tim"

    It's not working in any way at all - but maybe you guys just need to push it a little harder? Get Jannine Perirro another drink to make her shrill voice one octave higher. Yeah... that's the ticket. 😃👍


  14. by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:16 pm

    LOL! Walz has got them flustered. He's been instrumental in helping Harris scoop up all of those independent voters. Polls are clearly indicating a mass shift from independents being undecided to being very excited about supporting Harris/Walz.

    I can see Harris/Walz sweeping the battleground states, and I'm guessing so can the supposed non-MAGAs here who are acting exactly like MAGAs, even using the same talking points.



  15. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 12:25 pm

    I watched a little of Trump's speech / press conference and quite honestly it doesn't seem like his heart is in it this time. He's just knocking out the same old talking points and throwing around WAY too many cheap shots to be effective. The hatred, division and name-calling is just not working anymore and I honestly believe even he knows it.


  16. by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:34 pm

    Trump is already past the pinnacle of his political career. It's all over except the screaming and the gnashing of teeth.


  17. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 12:36 pm

    Yes, but as I said a couple days ago - if he loses? Don't be surprised if he pops up again in 2028.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 2:05 pm

    LOL! Walz has got them flustered.

    And, Trump, who's arranged debates with three networks, is afraid to debate Kammy. Bahaha

    Or, have Curt's Holy Trinity and po's metaphorical Rachel not reported that!!!!!?


  19. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 2:09 pm

    I saw it somewhere yesterday and posted about it on the board here... Trump is claiming to have set up 3 debates - but I'll wait for something more official, thank you.


  20. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 2:10 pm

    You know something else I've noticed? Trump's ear does not appear to have any damage at all to it.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 2:23 pm

    "I saw it somewhere yesterday and posted about it on the board here... Trump is claiming to have set up 3 debates - but I'll wait for something more official, thank you."

    Right. And, all three networks have not denied Trump's claim... and two of them d@ng well would in a heartbeat were he lying.


  22. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 2:28 pm

    The ABC debate is still the same one (from what I heard) - so they have no reason to deny it. Trump is Fox's boy - so they're not denying it either (even though they probably wish they could). I believe NBC(?) was the other one? Maybe they haven't even heard his speech where he said it. The bottom line is Trump is not in charge of setting up the debates. So whatever plans he's making are for himself.


  23. by Donna on August 9, 2024 3:23 pm

    Everything that Trump does is a con. Without even looking into it (I know next to nothing about Trump's proposal for 3 debates) I'm guessing that he's demanding that the first debate be run by Fox with a "full arena audience", and then he plans to cancel the other two debates afterwards. I guess he's hoping that Kamala is as dumb as he is.


  24. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 4:30 pm

    I haven't done that deep a dive on this, but that sounds like a solid theory. 🤔


  25. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 5:06 pm

    Yep - you nailed it, Donna...


    Trump and Harris Agree to Debate on Sept. 10

    Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump have agreed to debate on ABC on Sept. 10, setting up the first confrontation between the new opponents on stage before the November election.

    Trump said he also agreed to participate in a Fox News debate on Sept. 4 and an NBC debate on Sept. 25. Harris hasn’t yet agreed to the other two debates Trump outlined.

    “I look forward to the debates, because I think we have to set the record straight,” Trump said at a news conference on Thursday from his Mar-a-Lago home in South Florida. “I think it's very important that we have them. I hope she agrees to them… I think they'll be very revealing.”

    Harris confirmed her participation in the ABC debate and told reporters on Thursday that she would be open to discussing additional debates afterwards. “I’m glad that he’s finally agreed to a debate on September 10th. I’m looking forward to it, and I hope he shows up,” Harris said before boarding Air Force Two in Detroit. Asked if she would participate in the other debates proposed by Trump, Harris said: “I’m happy to have that conversation about an additional debate for after September 10th.”

    >SNIP<

    Walz said on Aug. 6 that he would be willing to debate Vance: "And I gotta tell ya: I can't wait to debate this guy."

    (Indy here: Yeah, me either. Definitely tuning in for that one if it happens 😃👍).

    >SNIP<



    More...

    time.com


  26. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 5:41 pm
    HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? HAVE YOU GONE INSANE? YOU’RE JUST SHOWING YOUR STUPIDITY NOW!
    Sorry, let’s start with some quotes just to bring down the laughter…

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz "misspoke" in a 2018 video circulated by the Harris campaign earlier this week that included the vice presidential candidate talking about his handling of weapons "in war," a campaign spokesperson said Friday.
    The clarification comes after Republicans, led by veteran and vice presidential candidate JD Vance, have attacked Walz over his military record.
    Tim Walz ‘misspoke’ when he discussed using weapons ‘in war,’ campaign says (msn.com)

    There is NOBODY to clarify the record at all. “This will all stop. Just tell the truth.”

    Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), a Marine Corps veteran, said Thursday in a thread on the social platform X. “JD knows personally that signing up to serve does not always mean you see combat — 90% of servicemembers don’t.”

    Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Texas), a Navy veteran, slammed Walz in a post on X on Thursday.
    “I proudly served 20 years in the U.S. Navy, with multiple deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq – retired as a Master Chief,” Gonzales said in his post. “Yes, that makes me the highest ranked enlisted service member to EVER serve in Congress. A claim Gov. Walz has falsely paraded around. It’s important to call out DISHONESTY. Tim Walz should immediately be WITHDRAWN as the Vice President Nominee.”


    So let’s get to your stuuupid statement…
    So how long does it take a recruit to become a military member that is function at an “apprentice” skill level? For everyone but a Combat Correspondent, I can’t guarantee the school lengths. Mine was 14 months, which also included 1x 30day leave for Christmas holiday. But for JD, I actually looked up the USMC information. We start in year 01, to make it easier for you to count his four years. I figured if my 9 year old granddaughters could figure it out, you “might” be able to.
    Recruit appears at basic training 1/01
    Recruit graduates basic and goes to School of Infantry (SOI) (see my post above about it) 5/01
    SOI graduation for non-0300 Marines. 9/01
    The Marine goes to Marine Corps Combat Correspondent (MOS 4341) 9/01-12/01
    30 Day authorized prior to reporting to new unit 1/02
    Arrive at unit 2/02
    In processing to unit, Base training, unit training, assigned to section. Done 3/02
    OJT/Correspondence course start 4/02
    OJT/Correspondence course (earliest) finished 10/2
    Order Test 11/2
    Receive/ Take test/ fully functional Apprentice 12/2
    Authorized leave finish 1/3
    On the job/deployment prep. 1/3-5/3
    Deployed 5/3-11/3
    Return to base 11/3.
    DEROS, Marine has fulfilled their obligation. If they want to re-up, that’s usually possible. If not, they are given an Honorable Discharge (which because of the awards and his rank there isn’t a doubt). 1/4

    msn.com
    thehill.com
    operationmilitarykids.org


  27. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 6:01 pm

    A Navy guy crowing about serving in Afghanistan and Iraq? I think realistically - if we're being HONEST (as he wants) - he was probably parked about 100 miles offshore for both of them. Not exactly "in" Afghanistan. 🙄


  28. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 6:56 pm
    I served with the Navy on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan. So when you get your facts straight, you may speak.


  29. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 7:33 pm

    "I served with the Navy on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan." -olde dude

    So you, a former serviceman, should therefore be ashamed of yourself for besmirching the service career of a military veteran whose boots you are obviously not worthy to shine. Any service member who besmirches another service member's service should be ashamed of themselves. "Band of brothers", my aunt's fanny.

    You really, truly disgust me sometimes, od.


  30. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 7:59 pm
    Bottom line. He left without doing any paperwork. He missed a troop movement. He LIED about being in country. He LIED about his rank. He wouldn't change a word until he was caught.
    I'm going to emphasize this again "Band of brothers" my ass. He doesn't deserve as I've said over and over.

    The paperwork and troop movement. Those are the worst, and both came under the "cowardliness" code in the Military Martial Laws. In the civil war, if you missed a troop movement, you were hung. Maybe shot if they didn't want to do the hanging. Period. In the Indian wars, you could be hung (plenty of ropes), shot, or if they felt you had some excuse, they would brand you with the US horse brand. Then strip you of all uniform insignias, take your gun, horse, and any other equipment, empty your canteen and kick you out of the fort. Unless you found water, they might find your body in three days. If the local tribe didn't get you.

    Do you understand the severity of these? 750- 1000 soldiers needed him as a "leader." He failed, but not by a "mistake." He failed because he's a coward. If this was legit, they would have already said it. There are some extremely harsh feelings over what he did. I know from my experience that if anyone would do that, they don't deserve any respect at all. They're cowards.

    I'm not going to excuse myself to you (especially). Here are some interesting things you're not hearing on your MSM.

    Here is tampontim apologizing for LYING. He is caught. And he and kammy won't tell anyone what the truth is. I take that for a coverup. Period. So no. I don't feel bad.

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz "misspoke" in a 2018 video circulated by the Harris campaign earlier this week that included the vice presidential candidate talking about his handling of weapons "in war," a campaign spokesperson said Friday.
    The clarification comes after Republicans, led by veteran and vice presidential candidate JD Vance, have attacked Walz over his military record.

    Tim Walz ‘misspoke’ when he discussed using weapons ‘in war,’ campaign says (msn.com)


    There is NOBODY to clarify the record at all. “This will all stop. Just tell the truth.”

    Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), a Marine Corps veteran, said Thursday in a thread on the social platform X. “JD knows personally that signing up to serve does not always mean you see combat — 90% of servicemembers don’t.”

    Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Texas), a Navy veteran, slammed Walz in a post on X on Thursday.

    “I proudly served 20 years in the U.S. Navy, with multiple deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq – retired as a Master Chief,” Gonzales said in his post. “Yes, that makes me the highest ranked enlisted service member to EVER serve in Congress. A claim Gov. Walz has falsely paraded around. It’s important to call out DISHONESTY. Tim Walz should immediately be WITHDRAWN as the Vice President Nominee.”


    Notice this is from DEM VETERANS who aren't getting paid or blackmailed by the DIM cartel.

    msn.com
    thehill.com


  31. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 8:38 pm
    So you, a former serviceman, should therefore be ashamed of yourself for besmirching the service career of a military veteran whose boots you are obviously not worthy to shine. Any service member who besmirches another service member's service should be ashamed of themselves. "Band of brothers", my aunt's fanny.

    You really, truly disgust me sometimes, od.


    So why do you hate Vance so much? He volunteered to be a Marine. The got a job (or the Marines gave him a job). He went to the schools, He survived the Crucible, he deployed when his time came up. When his contract ended, he out processed legally, and went to Harvard. Basically unremarkable. Not a hero, just like thousands of others. He learned a skillset, which is more than I can say about many people. He honed that skill in Harvard Law school.

    So what the fuck is wrong with that? You really, truly disgust me sometimes, po.


  32. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 8:45 pm

    But you voted TWICE for George W. Smirk who was AWOL from his post for a year (if memory serves... probably longer).


  33. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 6:21 am
    Po- Any service member who besmirches another service member's service should be ashamed of themselves. "Band of brothers", my aunt's fanny.

    You really, truly disgust me sometimes, od.


    We have spoke extensively about "Respecting ALL Veterans." Apparently including Bowe Bergdahl, Robert Bales, and Bradly Manning. One deserter, a person that shot and murdered 16 Afghan civilians, and a spy. All of these people are good, outstanding citizens in your eyes. And they're veterans, and therefore, regardless of what they do, I must respect them.

    To veterans, they all violated their oath. That's the different between you and me. I swore an oath (many times). I believe in that oath as a core value. To me, anything less shows me a lack of integrity and violating the confidence of that oath.

    In Bales case. in his courts martial, Bales spoke about the (upper echelon) not responding to his (and other's pleas) these people were Taliban Operatives. Most veterans are pissed about him. That's not the way things work. He violated the oath. Period. End of story.

    Bergdahl walked off post in the middle of the night and into tallicountry. He got captured (no shit!). When they finally got a location on him, there was a LOT of "discussion" from the teams on why they should pick him up. He had already cost them three team-mates for deserting. He's a POS. Leave him there and let his God sort it out. And these are generally the folks that will give there lives for someone willing to fight for them. It got so bad, regional command worked out a "deal" for a Taliban member that had killed a bunch of Afghans and US troops. Again, the teams were NOT happy about that.

    Manning is a political story in it's own right. Protected by a "president" hated by the military, manning was freed.


  34. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 7:02 am
    Po- again, these decisions aren't political for us. Most of us can actually see what Bales is talking about. It's frustrating for us. That said, you don't take shit like that on your own. You don't create rules for yourself. You violated the Oath. Done.

    We also understand how little "Oaths" mean to liberals. So the military has been jeered and mocked for a few decades now.

    Your reference to "Band of Brothers," this would be like Lt Spears, the guy that was never around. And when he was, he was a total clusterfuck, only thinking of himself. He got people killed. Period. No one else in that group violated the oath. That's the difference between our views.

    I've studied Tecumseh, Rogers, Mosby, Musashi, Sun Tzu, and others. They all talk about their "oath." Surprisingly, they don't differ much. You can pick them apart, but the main features are the same going back several hundreds years.


  35. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 7:36 am

    OD,

    If Walz' story was Vance’s, po'd be all over Vance like a fly on $#!t. And, po knows it.

    Walz got caught in lies. Period. Stolen valor.


  36. by Donna on August 10, 2024 8:36 am

    I think it's shameful to besmirch any American's military service unless they were dishonorably discharged. For another serviceman to engage in that kind of thing is disgusting.





  37. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 9:01 am

    Well, Donna. It's men from his unit who are driving this and, honestly. It's not his service that's at issue. It's his outright, proved, lies that are getting Walz in trouble. He lied about carrying his rifle in war... and about his rank retirement.

    Curt, who watches Fox more than ole pb, will tell you that their commentators regularly say that they'd never criticize someone's service... but those d@ng bold lies...


  38. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 9:17 am
    Well, Donna. It's men from his unit who are driving this and, honestly. It's not his service that's at issue. It's his outright, proved, lies that are getting Walz in trouble. He lied about carrying his rifle in war... and about his rank retirement.

    Ditto. Like I talked about. It's about integrity and keeping with the oath you took when you made your contract. My view? because there are so few facts from the campaign, they want this to go away. I think there's a bonfire underneath the whole "retirement" thing that would eat them alive. They've bought off all the dims they can, there are veterans really pissed about him getting out when he did, and how he did it. The "how" in this case is key. The when just shows that he's a self-contained prick and not worthy to serve.

    At first, I admitted I didn't think it was stolen valor. Then facts started coming out. Things you can't dismiss. Had he just come clean with the rank thingy, most vets would have just shrugged that one off. Everyone knows how guard rank works, especially on the Army side. The weapon thing? not so much just because there's so much hooked into that.

    But he's a lot like kammy. He wants the rank just to feed his ego. And he won't fulfill his obligation.

    And then dealing with folks that don't understand the words obligation, promise, your word, integrity, honesty, etc is just painful.


  39. by Curt_Anderson on August 10, 2024 9:21 am
    JD Vance is making a big deal about preposition usage in a 2018 statement. I agree with Jesse Ventura. See link.

    Vance is trying to make a case against Walz and his 24 year’s of National Guard service. Hypocritically, Vance partners with draft dodger of the worst sort. Let Jesse explain it…
    cnn.com


  40. by Donna on August 10, 2024 9:29 am

    The same thing was done to John Kerry, also because of politics. And again, it's always right-wing miltary personnel who engage in that kind of crap.

    They can whine all they want, but Tim Walz will be our next VP
    .


  41. by Donna on August 10, 2024 9:33 am

    I agree with Jesse 100%.



  42. by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 9:35 am

    These fuckingtwats would demonize Mother Theresa if she were a Democrat running against their convicted felon.


  43. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 9:43 am
    The same thing was done to John Kerry, also because of politics. And again, it's always right-wing miltary personnel who engage in that kind of crap.

    You didn't read the quotes from dem members of congress then. Right now it's veterans, regardless of the party. Like I said before (twice now), for veterans, this is apolitical. It's about the integrity of the person. That's it. Unless you're paid of or blackmailed by someone, which makes me feel worse about the person that would sell they're integrity.

    And for the flipper? They could never rebuke the narrative. That should tell you to vet (so to speak) your people better.


  44. by Curt_Anderson on August 10, 2024 9:44 am
    Donna,
    Maybe you knew this already:
    Christopher Joseph LaCivita (born 1966) is an American political consultant and former partner in FP1 Strategies, a national public affairs and campaign firm, known primarily for coordinating the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" campaign against 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry[1] as well as his service as senior adviser to Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign.


  45. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 9:47 am

    It's about integrity and keeping with the oath you took when you made your contract.


    Comical that you don't understand how hollow that rings when you are on this board attacking people's families all day long here. You have zero integrity and morals.


  46. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 2:35 pm
    To be clear. I only attack yours. And only when you attack me. If you don't fucking like it, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Done.


  47. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 6:14 pm

    Bullshit. I've seen you attack Curt's family too. I get it - you're a sad old man sorry he was raised by animals who mistreated you in ways that would make Jeffrey Epstein blush. Sorry, but I can't help you there, Odorous. Nobody can - they scarred you for life.


  48. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 7:45 pm
    I did once. AND QUIT. You're the special needs bride. Quit being a victim in your own life and be an adult for once.


  49. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 9:01 pm

    Ahhh, I see. So you're only a little bit pregnant. 😂


  50. by Donna on August 11, 2024 9:01 am

    Curt - I didn't know about Christopher Joseph LaCivita, but his prior involvement with the GWB campaign and the Swiftboat Veterans' shameful attack on John Kerry, and now his involvement with the Trump campaign, explains a lot. He's just another loser driven by party politics and hatred, which most Americans are sick and tired of and why Kamala and Tim are winning the hearts and votes of people all across our great country.






  51. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 9:30 am
    I disagree.

    That just shows you haven't read anything about how veterans feel about this (other than the one's bribed or blackmailed)

    Why did stolen valor come about? Because veterans got tired of losers claiming to be them. And it is such an affront they pushed congress to do something. For the liberals, they can't understand why someone can't walk down the street with a CMOH, and a Marine Corps uniform as a Master Gunnery Sergeant. I mean all the military does is to pick up cigarette butts, right? They don't work.

    So all of a sudden, there are two guys with "issues" in the military. One was about a Purple Heart he got when he got stuck in the ass. The other guy was AWOL, and failed to go to a troop movement (He refused to deploy with the unit).

    In BOTH cases, it's the folks in their own units that put the stories together. That's why I'm pissed at the left. They'll take the "he said/she said" bullshit as gospel. But when people in their own units talk about tampon tim just "disappearing," that says something. No one in his unit thought he was a POS until he disappeared from the unit. He violated his oath. Simple. At that point. A thousand soldiers trusted him to be there. and he "chose" not to. I've said this before. The left can't/doesn't understand what it is to live by an oath. You don't get it. It can be violated any time because it's what you "want" to do.

    The worst part is the kammy machine has chosen NOT to clear anything up, which I've been saying for days. This is worse than them confirming he was AWOL and just dealing with the flak. Now, people are using the word desertion. I'm not going there because that's a 20-life thing. And if done in battle, it's a firing squad thing. AND I'm going to say it again. If you have any actual "evidence" that is absolutely factual I really want to see it. I am more than happy to look at everything, even if I've been very wrong. I just need to see it, and a reference obviously. I will apologize if I've been wrong.

    So honestly, you have no dog in this fight. And others even less so. You don't understand the issues or the morality of his decisions.


  52. by Donna on August 11, 2024 10:32 am

    Oh come on. It's obviously politically motivated. And btw, Tim Walz, being the class guy he is, commended JD for his service, and Kamala issued a retraction about Tim having misspoken about carrying a weapon to war. How many retractions has Trump/Vance issued? I'm guessing zero.



  53. by Indy! on August 11, 2024 10:48 am

    Let everyone who is "offended" (🙄) vote for Trump. They were voting for him anyway... just like OD.


  54. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 11:54 am
    Donna, maybe for others. I don't give a shit. Like I've said overandoverandoverandover. It's not the politics of it. Like I've said. You can argue all you want. It's immaterial. You don't understand the core problem. You don't want to understand it. You both keep making up stories. Donna, you're just a parrot of the liberal MSM, nothing new there, but very predictable. Princess just likes to dig, and she's expendable to me. I wouldn't even go across the state to shit on her grave. And I'm not offended like the princess says.

    Again. Had you all not pushed it, I wouldn't even think of it much. I leave him accountable for the three who did die for his complete lack of leadership overseas. Could he have had different results? don't care. He still left the unit and didn't bother to tell anyone. And his "friend" doesn't count, because his "friend" didn't bother to cover his ass enough not to throw the whole Battalion into a frenzy and desert them before a deployment into a combat zone. That's the long and short of it.

    I'm sure Bales had a good record before he was picked up for murdering civilians. In your view, he was just doing his job, right? You need to think about this guy. And Manning. And that kid in the sub that took a picture for his family. YOU are using it politically. Not me.


  55. by Indy! on August 11, 2024 12:12 pm

    Big story... on Fox.


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