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Canada forming major trade alliance with Europe and China WITHOUT the U.S. By Donna February 17, 2026 7:17 am Category: International (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post & Tips. Write & edit articles How To Post Here

I told you that this would happen when you have a stupid president who, rather than negotiating and standing behind a trade agreement he approved and signed, employs Art of the Shakedown and pisses them off to the point that they go it alone and leave you, along with 340 million Americans who are depending on you, in the dust.

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by Indy! on February 17, 2026 10:44 am This is the only way the Ds win. And when they get in they'll squander the opportunity like they always do. by Donna on February 17, 2026 6:13 pm What is the only way the D's win? by Indy! on February 17, 2026 6:18 pm Trump being such a disaster the Ds are the only other choice. Same way they've won every election this century. by Donna on February 17, 2026 6:47 pm Trump can't run again, but he's certainly shitstained the GOP's brand in the minds of people who at least sometimes vote for Republicans, like indies, which helps. by oldedude on February 17, 2026 7:27 pm canada has always been a "fair whether friend. Since the war of 1812, when they need us they lick our arse. If they don't then they turncoat and won't talk to us. The other thing they're doing is doing open trade deals with the CCP.[1] My only hope is that we stop all our defence contracts with them (including spare parts). AND cut them out of the FYVES, which would take their intel gathering complete and have to rely on the CCP to give them shit. AND sense they're in open trade relations, if they're trading anything we have on the "no trade list," when canada does that we can isolate canada and ALL of it's trade with the CCP. Which I don't mind either. That means if it's oil, We do the same thing we're doing with Venezuela and Iran. WTF do you think trumpster is wanting Greenland? The Danes have been better friends, but honestly don't have means to man a full-scale army for Greenland also. pm.gc.ca by Indy! on February 17, 2026 7:58 pm Donna - You keep saying he's going to run again. But either way, if it's not Trump it's some loser with no chance of winning like Vance. by Donna on February 18, 2026 8:34 am Canada had been abiding by the trade agreement Trump signed back in 2018, which Trump reneged on when he slapped Canada with tariffs. by oldedude on February 18, 2026 9:29 am So you're saying that not being willing to opening another agreement is on trumpster? Because that's a usual thing when one country is getting buddyfucked. by Indy! on February 18, 2026 11:12 am I've never even been there, but you know what? I love Canada. 🙂 by oldedude on February 18, 2026 12:58 pm Other than a week to see 52 countries (from a bus) you haven't been anywhere outside of North America, which is a huge reason for your complete lack of understanding of the global world. by Indy! on February 18, 2026 1:11 pm What's your excuse? 🤔 by Donna on February 18, 2026 2:43 pm Yes, olde dude, if Trump no longer likes the trade agreement that he himself approved, then he needs to propose a new trade agreement like a civilized human being and hope that Carney agrees. Otherwise, he'll have to wait until the previous agreement expires. Why aren't you criticizing the guy you voted for 3 times for signing a trade agreement that sucks? by Donna on February 18, 2026 2:47 pm Adding to what I said, from AI: When does the U.S. trade agreement with Canada expire? The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), which replaced NAFTA, is scheduled to expire on July 1, 2036. However, a mandatory, joint review of the deal by all three nations is scheduled for July 1, 2026, which could lead to an extension of the agreement for another 16 years. Key Aspects of the USMCA Agreement Status: 16-Year Sunset Clause: The agreement has a 16-year term that began on July 1, 2020, ending in 2036. 2026 Review: The July 2026 review is the first opportunity for the countries to confirm they wish to extend the agreement beyond 2036. Potential Outcomes: If the nations do not agree on a renewal in 2026, the deal may face annual reviews until its 2036 expiration. Withdrawal Option: Any party can technically withdraw from the agreement with six months' notice, although this is not the scheduled expiration. Despite some political rhetoric regarding the deal's potential expiration or renegotiation, the official expiration date remains 2036, pending the outcomes of the 2026 review. by HatetheSwamp on February 18, 2026 2:54 pm Good to know. I'm guessing that we're seeing posturing for the 026 negotiations. by oldedude on February 18, 2026 8:45 pm Withdrawal Option: Any party can technically withdraw from the agreement with six months' notice, although this is not the scheduled expiration. Okay. what happens if the US just Withdrawals because canada is doing illegal deals with the CCP? And make it illegal for our enemies to own land within miles of any Military base like they do us? fukk'em. Again, since 1812, they've been so pissed at the US they have never traded fairly. We allowed the auto manufacturing to exist in canada, and they still buddyfucked us on the trade. So fuck'em. We'll take our industry because we can. and produce more and better than the chinese crap that we get now. canadians have refused to even negotiate with us in good faith. Again. fuck'em. Donna, this is like concha asking for a favour from me. Fuk'em. it has no moral character, it's a useless piece of shit that now finds it's place willing to suck our arse. fuk'em. Just a thought. by HatetheSwamp on February 19, 2026 4:36 am "Again, since 1812, they've been so pissed at the US they have never traded fairly. We allowed the auto manufacturing to exist in canada, and they still buddyfucked us on the trade." Bang on, OD. They'd be idiots to really pi$$ off the US. The US economy is 13X larger than Canada's. I know our TDS crowd is hoping for Canada to stick it to Trump but David and Goliath happened 3,000+ years ago. by Indy! on February 19, 2026 12:22 pm Got two board members scared out of their wits. Don't worry, whatever damage Trump causes in 2026 president Rubio will fix in 2028. 🥴 by Donna on February 19, 2026 2:04 pm olde dude: Exactly how did Canada fuck the U.S. on trade? by Ponderer on February 19, 2026 2:36 pm However Trump told him they did. by oldedude on February 20, 2026 7:45 am Comparing pre 2025 tariffs to about Aug/Sep 2025. The tariffs have continued to change and some of them still aren't done. Now, it's a more equitable trade agreement, with 85% of trade between the countries have no tariffs. That's what trumpster was shooting for. Obviously, he would like to get to no tariffs between the countries. For example, the tariff for Wisconsin cheese was about 245% the tariffs on it now is 0% What tariffs does Canada currently impose on U.S. products? As of August 2025, Canada has significantly reduced its retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods. On September 1, Canada will lift most of the 25% counter-tariffs it imposed in March on $29.8 billion worth of U.S. imports.. However, tariffs remain in place for strategic sectors: Steel and Aluminum: 25% tariffs remain on U.S. steel and aluminum imports. Automobiles: Canadian tariffs on U.S. automobiles remain in effect. Lumber and Copper: These sectors continue to face targeted duties. Goods covered under the USMCA (Canada’s CUSMA) are now largely tariff-free, reflecting a renewed commitment to free trade. What tariffs does the United States currently impose on Canadian products? The U.S. maintains a mixed tariff regime: Steel and Aluminum: In August, the U.S. raised tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum to 35% for non-USMCA-compliant goods. Energy and Critical Minerals: A 10% tariff applies to Canadian exports in these categories. Autos and Lumber: These remain subject to U.S. duties, pending further negotiations. What U.S. goods are no longer subject to Canadian tariffs? Starting September 1, Canada will remove tariffs on a wide range of U.S. consumer and agricultural goods, including: Dairy and Poultry: Milk, cheese, butter, chicken, turkey, and eggs. Grains and Produce: Wheat, rice, citrus fruits, berries, and melons. Beverages and Alcohol: Coffee, tea, wine, beer, and spirits. Cosmetics and Toiletries: Perfumes, soaps, toothpaste, and deodorants. Miscellaneous: Condiments, protein powders, plastic building materials, and more. thefulcrum.us commenda.io newsweek.com by Ponderer on February 20, 2026 8:04 am olde dude, if the trade agreement with Canada was so unfair to the U.S., why did Trump call it the greatest trade agreement in our history after he originally finalized it with Canada in his first term? by Donna on February 20, 2026 8:34 am Was Canada's 245.5% tariff on Wisconsin cheese in breach of its trade agreement with the U.S.? +9 Whether Canada's high tariffs (often ranging from 200% to over 300% on over-quota dairy, with cheddar cheese around 245.5%) constitute a breach of its trade agreement with the U.S. is a complex, ongoing dispute. Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), a dispute panel ruled that while Canada's tariff rates are allowed, its method of allocating quotas was in breach of the agreement. ustr.gov +4 Here is the breakdown of the situation: The Tariff Structure: Canada uses a "supply management" system for dairy, which involves strict import quotas (Tariff Rate Quotas or TRQs). Within these quotas, tariffs are very low or zero. Imports exceeding these quotas are subject to high tariffs, such as the ~245% on cheese. The Breach (Quotas, not Rates): The U.S. challenged Canada’s practice of reserving the majority (80–85%) of these import quotas for Canadian dairy processors rather than importers, which limited access for U.S. products. In January 2022, a USMCA dispute panel found this practice to be inconsistent with Canada's commitments, as it unfairly restricted market access. Subsequent Rulings: After Canada revised its rules, a second panel in November 2023 issued a mixed ruling. While the U.S. argued Canada was still not in compliance, the panel largely allowed Canada's revised, restrictive, and technically compliant, allocation methods to stand, representing a setback for U.S. producers. Current Status: The U.S. continues to argue that Canada's quota allocation system, even if not technically violating the text of the agreement, is "commercially limiting" and acts as a barrier that prevents the full use of negotiated access. University of Wisconsin–Madison +5 In summary, the 245.5% tariff rate itself is a permitted, albeit high, part of Canada's supply management system recognized under the USMCA. The breach was specifically regarding how Canada managed the quotas that allowed, or prevented, products from entering at a lower rate. Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy +3 by Donna on February 20, 2026 8:41 am So I asked this follow-up question: Has the US. been in violation of the USMCA? +3 Yes, the United States has been found in violation of certain USMCA provisions, most notably regarding the interpretation of automotive rules of origin. Panels ruled against the U.S. for failing to apply the agreed-upon standards, and, as of late 2025, the U.S. has faced scrutiny over using IEEPA tariffs that violate the pact. CSIS | Center for Strategic and International Studies +2 Key Areas of U.S. Violation or Dispute: Automotive Rules of Origin: A dispute settlement panel ruled against the U.S. interpretation of how to calculate regional value content for autos, a ruling the U.S. did not fully comply with for over two years. Tariffs and Trade Restrictions: The imposition of tariffs on Canadian and Mexican goods under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) has been viewed as a violation of the letter and spirit of the USMCA. Other Issues: While the U.S. has successfully challenged Canada and Mexico in other areas (such as Canadian dairy and Mexican energy), the U.S. itself has not been fully compliant with all panel rulings. United States Trade Representative (.gov) +4 The agreement is subject to a mandatory joint review in 2026, which is heavily influenced by these disputes. Americas Quarterly +1 by Donna on February 20, 2026 8:46 am Then I asked AI: What is the IEEPA? The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) of 1977 is a US federal law authorizing the president to regulate international commerce, freeze assets, and impose sanctions in response to an unusual, extraordinary threat from outside the U.S.. It allows broad economic actions during declared national emergencies. Wikipedia +2 Key details about IEEPA: Usage: Used for foreign policy, national security, or economic threats, such as sanctions against specific nations or entities. Recent Context (2025-2026): In early 2026, the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated the use of IEEPA for imposing broad, comprehensive tariffs on imports, limiting its scope and potentially requiring large-scale refunds for businesses. Authority: Enables the restriction of financial transactions, including importing/exporting, and controlling property in which a foreign country has an interest. Penalties: Criminal sanctions can reach $1,000,000 or up to 20 years in prison per violation. Scope: It was designed for specific emergencies, but has been interpreted broadly by executives to target trade policies. Wikipedia +6 As of February 2026, the Supreme Court's ruling against using IEEPA for tariffs has created uncertainty over how and when refunds for businesses will be administered, with potential for long-term impacts on trade policy and the economy. CBS News +1 by oldedude on February 20, 2026 1:47 pm olde dude, if the trade agreement with Canada was so unfair to the U.S., why did Trump call it the greatest trade agreement in our history after he originally finalized it with Canada in his first term? dunno, don't care. All I'm saying is that he unfucked that. Also, I'm not going to argue the SCOTUS ruling. As usual, that horse is dead, you don't have to beat it anymore. I thought it was a stretch to begin with, and he got away with it for awhile. I'd say he got through most of what he wanted. It wasn't unconstitutional, it's an overstep. Routinely, congress has the president run the tariffs issue. They chose to pull it back. Fine. They get to. Once they did that, tariffs were there's again. It's interesting that your love for china is so embedded. by Navy2711 on February 20, 2026 1:52 pm Ponderer: "olde dude, if the trade agreement with Canada was so unfair to the U.S., why did Trump call it the greatest trade agreement in our history after he originally finalized it with Canada in his first term?" Olde Dude: "dunno, don't care." MAGA in a nutshell. "Daddy said so." by Ponderer on February 20, 2026 1:54 pm "Also, I'm not going to argue the SCOTUS ruling. As usual, that horse is dead, you don't have to beat it anymore." -olde dude Yet Trump is happy to step up the dead horse beating... selectsmart.com by Navy2711 on February 20, 2026 2:09 pm Normal people: Trump was clearly party to an insurrection on January 6th, and ... MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy said the election was stolen. Normal people: The scientific consensus is unambiguous. The earth is warming and ... MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy likes oil. Normal people: Yes, we need better control on immigration, but remember that immigration is economically beneficial and ... MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy said immigrants are scary and bad. Normal people: Okay, so chattel slavery might be gone, but clearly structural racism is still present to some deg— MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy said DEI bad. Normal people: The benefits of international cooperation on trade, climate and security are manifest, and we should — MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy America first. Normal people: Vaccines are PROVEN to be safe and effective, and if everyone that can safely take them does so, then we can — MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy says science bad, Ivermectin good. Normal people: The man was facing the ground! His back was turned to the agents! His gun had already been taken off of him! MAGA: Dunno, don't care. Daddy says he was a domes ... a domestic terr ... a BAD person. by Donna on February 20, 2026 2:14 pm That's ^ a great start. You could have gone on all day. by Indy! on February 20, 2026 6:57 pm Trying to imagine what kind of "favor" Old Dud would ask of me. Maybe to stop booting his (allegedly) disabled ass all over this board? 🤔 by oldedude on February 21, 2026 7:37 am po Yet Trump is happy to step up the dead horse beating... Yeah... not a good look. at all...🙄 Go To Top

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