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If DHS really cared about traumatized churchgoers, they wouldn't be traumatizing churchgoers.
By Curt_Anderson
February 2, 2026 12:55 pm
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“This action empowers the brave men and women in CBP and ICE to enforce our immigration laws and catch criminal aliens—including murders and rapists—who have illegally come into our country. Criminals will no longer be able to hide in America’s schools and churches to avoid arrest. The Trump Administration will not tie the hands of our brave law enforcement, and instead trusts them to use common sense." -DHS announcement.



ICE agents detain migrants on church grounds at 2 California parishes, diocese says
Church leaders say Catholics fear going to church because of increased immigration raids


Prosecutors and civil liberties groups speak out on ICE raids in houses of worship
Faith organizations suing to prevent immigration raids on or near houses of worship have gained support from a diverse array of prosecutors, civil liberty and religious groups in a case against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.


‘This is domestic terror’: Shaken by ICE raids, pastors rethink ministries
[Religion News Service] When the Rev. Tanya Lopez talks about the day in June when she had to confront masked agents in her church parking lot, she focuses on the man they detained. As the pastor of Downey Memorial Christian Church near Los Angeles, California, she said her primary concern was the person being taken away by the apparent federal immigration agents, though they declined to identify what agency they worked for.

But the fact that agents felt comfortable apprehending a man on church property — and were willing, Lopez says, to raise a weapon at her even after she identified herself as a pastor — left her shaken.


Cited and related links:

  1. dhs.gov
  2. ncronline.org
  3. baptistnews.com
  4. episcopalnewsservice.org

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 1:23 pm

    As po'd say, inequitable comparison.

    "... on or near houses of worship..."

    Still, pb enthusiastically begs, have at it!!!!!

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeha, ahhhh, baha


  2. by myce on February 2, 2026 1:43 pm

    HatetheSwamp clearly only cares about white supremacy and not the First Amendment.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2026 1:46 pm
    Yeah, you cannot compare the terrifying prospect of Don Lemon asking to interview you versus seeing a fellow parishioner absconded, never to be seen again, by gun toting men wearing masks.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 2:14 pm

    Cept, that's not what Lemon did.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2026 2:28 pm
    I read the indictment. You posted it. Quote from the indictment and tell me what terrifying or traumatizing action Don Lemon took inside that church. Unless it's scarier than kidnapping church goers on church property, don't embarrass yourself by posting something lame.


  6. by oldedude on February 2, 2026 2:44 pm
    You really need to read the law when I post it. It should be that, instead of your pure snowflake ideas of if they did this, if they did that. The law actually says "disruption" Which they did.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 2:48 pm

    Curt,

    As I've said... and #2 has said it, as well... it's going to be from the evidence that supports the claims that the Grand Jury signed off on that will make the case.

    I'm imagining you haven't watched the six hours of his live stream. You have no idea what is included in texts and emails and other communications. Maybe there's nuthin, I doubt it. What's clear, though, is that holding a mike and standing in front of a camera does make one a journalist.

    This Conspiracy Against Rights, i.e., KKK Act charge seems like a done deal.

    Still, I know that your subjectivity is fully engaged over this. I'm sure that you'll deny it, probably lying even to yourself, that you are being theophobic.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2026 2:54 pm
    OD,
    I have said here, and in another thread that I expect the disruptors of the church service will be charged and convicted. Like Jonathan Turley I don't think that Don Lemon will be found guilty of anything.

    I'm also saying that the DHS goon squad violated the FACE Act.

    Washington, D.C. – On Monday, Democracy Forward and a large coalition of faith groups filed a lawsuit and motion for a preliminary injunction (PI) against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Secretary Kristi Noem over the sweeping and aggressive immigration policy that gives free rein to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents to conduct enforcement actions in and around houses of worship and other “sensitive locations.” The lawsuit argues the policy violates the First Amendment, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the Administrative Procedure Act.


    democracyforward.org


  9. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 3:03 pm

    "Like Jonathan Turley I don't think that Don Lemon will be found guilty of anything."


    He didn't say that. He said that judges will have a hard time with it.

    IMO, if the Supreme Court takes the case on, Lemon is toast. Otherwise, he skates.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2026 3:19 pm
    "Like Jonathan Turley I don't think that Don Lemon will be found guilty of anything." ---Me

    "He didn't say that. He said that judges will have a hard time with it." ---HtS


    Yeah, judges will have hard time finding Lemon guilty.

    Turley predicts judges will be persuaded by Don Lemon’s appeal he was at Minnesota church protest as journalist
    Fox News contributor Jonathan Turley assesses the arrest of former CNN anchor Don Lemon in connection to his appearance at a Minnesota church protest on ‘The Will Cain Show.’

    foxnews.com


  11. by Navy2711 on February 2, 2026 3:41 pm

    Idiot,

    "Cept, that's not what Lemon did."

    What did he do?


  12. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 3:03 am

    Navy,

    Lemon didn't AKS to interview him. He pushed the mike into his face. And, that hurts Lemon as far as a FACE Act violation is concerned.


  13. by Ponderer on February 3, 2026 5:27 am

    "As po'd say, inequitable comparison." -pedophile's bitch

    As has been explained over and over again innumerous times, you are in no position to say, now are you.


    "Lemon didn't AKS to interview him. He pushed the mike into his face." -pedophile's bitch.

    Meanwhile, American citizens are being assassinated extrajudicially in the streets for exercising their Constitutional rights by masked, armed and armored to the teeth, unvetted government thugs roaming around our cities in wolfpacks.

    What sniveling little pants-pissing snowflakes you flaming MAGA Hats are, pedophile's bitch. How compliant you are to whatever this Reich wants to use you for. Un-American, fascist-loving cowards, the lot of you.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 5:37 am

    "Meanwhile, American citizens are being assassinated extrajudicially in the streets for exercising their Constitutional rights by masked, armed and armored to the teeth, unvetted government thugs roaming around our cities in wolfpacks."


    Horrible! Now, how bout a link to a trustworthy source...

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha haha ha ha haha ha


  15. by Ponderer on February 3, 2026 5:45 am

    You've seen the videos, pedophile's bitch.

    If the evidence of your own eyes is insufficient to prove anything to you, then I sadly confess that nothing I could present to you would do a better job at it.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 6:15 am

    huh, baha


  17. by oldedude on February 3, 2026 7:49 am
    See #12 cited[1]. If you actually read it once, that's good enough, and actually answers po, comudo curt, et.al.

    There IS a way to correct this. Cops that need help in task forces are really missing the help, and DHS can do this with out the wide swath techniques they are doing now. Period.
    selectsmart.com


  18. by Donna on February 3, 2026 8:01 am

    No mention of Georgia Fort? She's the journalist most residents of Min/St. Paul are most concerned about. She MCs a popular local TV news & opinion show there.



  19. by oldedude on February 3, 2026 8:29 am
    All this huff was about Lemon. I don't really care about the story, but it was such curfuffle....
    That's just me saying I stated the law, the law applies to everyone. I'm done.


  20. by Ponderer on February 3, 2026 8:31 am

    Yeah, od. Freedom of the press, schmeedom of the press. There are still lots of other Constitutional Amendments this Fascist Regime hasn't deemed useless yet. Who needs that one, right?


  21. by oldedude on February 3, 2026 8:34 am
    Of course your complete hatred of Christianity comes out in full. You just had to get your dog whistle from your Gruppenführer.


  22. by Ponderer on February 3, 2026 8:46 am

    "Of course your complete hatred of Christianity comes out in full." -olde dude

    Now you're just babbling incoherently.

    I in no way at all hate Christianity. I have said many times in this forum that Christianity is my favorite religion of them all. I have the highest respect for Christianity and for all true adherents of it and to Jesus Christ.

    What I completely hate is hypocrites.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 8:50 am

    OD,

    po runs on hate. I think it's good to be in contact with po because po's a reminder that people can be consumed by hate yet think their hate sets them above people who don't share the hate.

    Our search for the right to worship freely and peacefully goes back to Plymouth Rock in 1620. That same search founded Rhode Island and Pennsylvania and Maryland. South Carolina was an early haven for persecuted Jews. Come to think of it, it's po's JewHate that may be at the core of po's theophobia.

    po's hate can't alter the fact that the Declaration of Independence is rooted in the claim that our nationhood is founded on a shared faith in the Creator nor that the first freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights is about religion.

    If po ever accepts that those truths, po'll have no choice but to be even more royally pi$$ed.


  24. by Indy! on February 3, 2026 9:53 am

    by myce on February 2, 2026 1:43 pm

    HatetheSwamp clearly only cares about white supremacy and not the First Amendment.



    Exactly. The only problem with that statement is you left out Old Dude. Racism and white supremacy is the very foundation of the modern Republican Party.


  25. by oldedude on February 3, 2026 2:25 pm
    concha- you're LYING AGAIN. Since after the revolutionary war, the dims have been the ones holding the southern states, and their affinity for slave labor, which was given to us by the brits, french, and spanish. All of those countries made a fukton load of money off that. We did continue until the dummycrats went to war about it. They lost the battles but continued everything they had been doing, just sliding around the laws until the 1960's. It was the GOP that had to go down there and force the states to comply. Wallace was a dim, remember that?

    So your continual lack of historical foundation is noted. Once again.


  26. by oldedude on February 3, 2026 2:30 pm
    po- I in no way at all hate Christianity. I have said many times in this forum that Christianity is my favorite religion of them all. I have the highest respect for Christianity and for all true adherents of it and to Jesus Christ.

    What I completely hate is hypocrites.


    my question is that if you don't know the context, and are cherry picking, how do you know that?


  27. by Ponderer on February 3, 2026 2:45 pm

    "my question is that if you don't know the context, and are cherry picking, how do you know that?" -olde dude






    .....


  28. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 2:48 pm

    OD,

    As Huey Lewis didn't sing, "It's the power of hate."


  29. by Curt_Anderson on February 3, 2026 3:59 pm
    "Lemon didn't AKS to interview him." ---HtS, #12

    Presumably you mean didn't ASK to interview him. Reporters don't typically ask to interview a subject, they just ask their question. That's what Don Lemon did. He asked the pastor, Jonathan Parnell, "what do you think of this?". Parnell chose to answer his question. He answered, "This is unacceptable, this is shameful..." Parnell could have ignored Lemon, or said "no comment" or otherwise not responded to the question.

    I doubt that the judge will find a FACE Act violation in that exchange.


  30. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 4:16 pm

    "I doubt that the judge will find a FACE Act violation in that exchange."

    Curt,

    Your hate has such an air of optimism and hope. Lemon imbedded himself in a mob that violated the FACE Act and didn't leave when he was aksed to. Religious people are protected under law and assured of their absolute right to worship in peace and freedom. Don Lemon is so busted...

    ... but he will be a hero among the GodHate crowd for all of his remaining days.


  31. by Indy! on February 3, 2026 4:22 pm

    Indy:
    Exactly. The only problem with that statement is you left out Old Dude. Racism and white supremacy is the very foundation of the modern Republican Party.


    by oldedude on February 3, 2026 2:25 pm
    concha- you're LYING AGAIN. Since after the revolutionary war, the dims have been the ones holding the southern states, and their affinity for slave labor, which was given to us by the brits, french, and spanish. All of those countries made a fukton load of money off that. We did continue until the dummycrats went to war about it. They lost the battles but continued everything they had been doing, just sliding around the laws until the 1960's. It was the GOP that had to go down there and force the states to comply. Wallace was a dim, remember that?

    So your continual lack of historical foundation is noted. Once again.



    Old Dud... look up the word in bold and get back to me. And - as always - if you need help from mommy, that's perfectly fair and quite honestly - expected.


  32. by Curt_Anderson on February 3, 2026 4:36 pm
    "Don Lemon is so busted..." ---HtS

    We will see perhaps as soon as next week when Lemon is scheduled to be arraigned. You think Lemon is (will be) busted. I disagree. But then again I am not an acolyte of Joe Rogan, Megyn Kelly or some guy named Faila.

    You also said, "IMO, if the Supreme Court takes the case on, Lemon is toast". That is unlikely. If Lemon is acquitted, or the case is dismissed with prejudice, the prosecution doesn't get another bite at the apple. The prosecution cannot appeal a judgment that favors the defendant. You know, the Fifth Amendment's Double Jeopardy Clause.

    Of course, if the decision goes against defendant Lemon, he may be able to appeal to higher court including eventually SCOTUS.




  33. by Indy! on February 3, 2026 4:56 pm

    Best guess is Lemon gets some kind of admonishment from the judge and Lemon gets another couple weeks of content for his web blog or whatever he's doing these days.


  34. by HatetheSwamp on February 3, 2026 5:00 pm

    "... or some guy named Faila."

    Few I've ever known flaunt their ignernce as proudly as you, Curt. Go for it!!!!!


  35. by Curt_Anderson on February 3, 2026 6:18 pm
    "Flaunt their ignernce (sp)"?!

    You are the guy who brags that he's "stoopid".


  36. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 11:05 am
    Iranian asylum-seekers were arrested in L.A., adding to the number of churchgoers taken into immigration detention despite having lawful status. A Christianity Today piece titled “ICE Goes After Church Leaders and Christians Fleeing Persecution” described how a pastor was called by two members of his church, a husband-and-wife couple, because CBP agents were going to take the husband. The wife collapsed and began to convulse on the ground; she appeared to be experiencing a panic attack. Agents barred the pastor from approaching her to give her comfort.

    The pastor told the agents the couple had come to America to flee religious persecution in Iran. Terrible things could happen to them if they were deported back.

    “They came here for freedom, not like this,” the pastor said. “I know you are doing your job, but shame on you. Shame on this government.”

    Actions like these—operating aggressively outside churches and often targeting churchgoers—has left a deep mark on faith communities across the nation.

    “You ever been in a living room with a family who’s very, very deeply committed to Christ and can’t go to church for a month, and that’s their community? And faith is what sustains them,” Rev. Dr. Gabriel Salguero, president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, told CBS News. “They’re telling you in the living room with tears in their eyes, ‘Pastor, I want to go, but I’m too afraid.’ What do you do?”

    Similar actions by agents were reported in Chicago and in Charlotte.

    In October, in the Rogers Park area, ICE agents stopped a man in front of St. Jerome Catholic Church as a Spanish-language Mass was going on inside.

    “I think they’ve been casing the church,” a bystander told the local news, noting that the church’s Mass schedule was publicly posted. She added that parishioners were terrified to walk outside after the service concluded that day.

    In Charlotte, a May operation at Central United Methodist Church on the east side of the city brought armed agents to the church’s grounds at preschool pickup time, alarming the community. Right before Christmas, Charlotte was again rocked when a community member was taken at a Casa de Dios church event. Video recorded by the pastor showed congregants who had fled inside the church when the agents approached; children huddled together anxiously, and one woman openly wept.
    thebulwark.com


  37. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 11:14 am

    "Iranian asylum-seekers were arrested in L.A., adding to the number of churchgoers taken into immigration detention despite having lawful status. A Christianity Today piece titled “ICE Goes After Church Leaders and Christians Fleeing Persecution” described how a pastor was called by two members of his church, a husband-and-wife couple, because CBP agents were going to take the husband. The wife collapsed and began to convulse on the ground; she appeared to be experiencing a panic attack. Agents barred the pastor from approaching her to give her comfort."

    I'm just guessing that you are smart enuff to know that this has nuthin to do with violations of the FACE Act. If, I'm wrong, I'm sorry you're not.


  38. by Indy! on February 4, 2026 11:14 am

    But Don Lemon is the problem. 🥴


  39. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 11:29 am
    HtS, the Department of Justice (DOJ) indictment against former CNN anchor Don Lemon alleges that his actions—along with other protestors—during a January 18, 2026, demonstration at Cities Church in St. Paul, Minnesota, were "traumatizing to church members".

    The FACE Act specifically protects individuals exercising their First Amendment rights at churches and religious sites from intimidation or injury. ICE is certainly intimidating churchgoers, and possibly injuring them.



  40. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 11:50 am

    Right. And which First Amendment rights are those?


  41. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 12:29 pm
    HtS,
    ICE and the DOJ infringed on all the first amendment rights except freedom to petition the government.


  42. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 12:30 pm

    How?


  43. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 12:57 pm
    You are flaunting your ignorance again, HtS.


  44. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 1:02 pm

    Or, you're joshin, or BSin.


  45. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 1:13 pm

    Hey, Curt. As this exact moment. Jimmy Faila is guesting on that gay Guy you've never heard of's radio program!!!!! bahaha


  46. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 1:18 pm

    Solid gold, Curt, Solid gold!


  47. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 1:40 pm
    The Minnesota Star Tribune, Minnesota Public Radio, the Minnesota Reformer, the Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder, and the Center for Broadcast Journalism released a collective statement condemning the arrests, saying: “In America, we do not arrest journalists for doing their jobs. The Minnesota journalism community stands united in defense of press freedom and the essential role reporting plays in holding power to account.”

    “The government’s arrests of journalists Don Lemon and Georgia Fort are naked attacks on freedom of the press,” Seth Stern, the chief of advocacy at the Freedom of the Press Foundation, said in a statement. “These arrests, under bogus legal theories for obviously constitutionally protected reporting, are clear warning shots aimed at other journalists. The unmistakable message is that journalists must tread cautiously because the government is looking for any way to target them. Fort’s arrest is meant to instill the same fear in local independent journalists as big names like Lemon.”
    cjr.org


  48. by HatetheSwamp on February 4, 2026 1:57 pm

    "The Minnesota Star Tribune, Minnesota Public Radio, the Minnesota Reformer, the Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder, and the Center for Broadcast Journalism released a collective statement..." baha


    In America, we don't arrest journalists for doing their jobs...

    ... but, if we don't arrest them for violating the civil rights of other citizens we ain't America anyway, eh!!!!!

    By now, Curt, you should be far beyond merely regretting lockstepping with the smoke-filled room's conspiracy to foist the Dingbat on voters. Think of everything we've suffered in one year... and, there are three more to go!


  49. by oldedude on February 4, 2026 4:08 pm
    And of course, you don't remember DOJ going into Churches for "suspicion of terrorist activity" during the pedojoe DOJ. Right? The FBI Richmond Catholic memo concerns an internal Federal Bureau of Investigation document from January 2023 that identified “traditionalist Catholics" as potential domestic violent extremists. The memo, leaked in February 2023, prompted a congressional investigation, a United States Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General review, and controversy over alleged religious profiling.[1][2]

    The interesting part of this, is there was no evidence tying the investigation to any known threat, and used used the term "Interest of Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremists in Radical-Traditionalist Catholic Ideology Almost Certainly Presents New Mitigation Opportunities." The 11-page document had been first drafted by an analyst in late 2022 and anticipated potential threats from Catholic extremists and white nationalists leading up to the 2024 United States elections. The FBI used the "reasoning" of the case was because the parishioners preferred the Latin Mass.[3]
    newsweek.com
    upload.wikimedia.org
    nationalreview.com


  50. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 4:31 pm
    OD,
    As ill-considered and inappropriate as the FBI Richmond's office efforts to investigate "traditionalist Catholics" as potential domestic violent extremists might have been, they were not intimidating churchgoers as Trump's ICE has.

    How do we know? Because the Biden-era FBI infiltrators were surreptitious. They were surveilling Catholics in the church secretly.

    Nice try, but your whataboutism tact doesn't work in this instance.
    judiciary.house.gov


  51. by oldedude on February 4, 2026 7:12 pm
    As ill-considered and inappropriate as the FBI Richmond's office efforts to investigate "traditionalist Catholics" as potential domestic violent extremists might have been, they were not intimidating churchgoers as Trump's ICE has.
    I'm going to call you on bullshit on this. Clearly it wasn't "just" ill-considered and inappropriate, as usual with the pedojoe administration, it was blatantly unconstitutional. Which shows a complete and utter disregard for our constitution and laws that asshole was duty-bound to support and defend. You're just defending the act, which is pretty usual for you. Being agnostic, you couldn't imagine how these solid citizens felt violated. Many of those listening to Mass in Latin are also immigrants, as it was set up as an "international" language for the church. Where I grew up, it took us at least five years to get most of the parishes to do mass in English. And, there are still a few that still do it in Latin, and interestingly enough two parishes in the small town near where I live in FL still say mass in Latin. This is the ONE place where an immigrant understood was sacred, maybe not in their country, but at least here in their land of opportunity. And asshole (a "Catholic" nonetheless, even though he shit himself in front of the Pope). Was willing to do that.


  52. by Curt_Anderson on February 4, 2026 7:24 pm
    OD,
    Not illegal or unconstitutional, at least not according to the committee Jim Jordan (R-OH) chaired.

    House Judiciary Committee Findings: A July 2025 staff report asserted that the FBI "disrespected and potentially violated the constitutionally protected religious liberties" of Americans. The committee found the FBI had no legitimate law enforcement purpose for surveilling a Richmond-area priest who refused to divulge confidential parishioner information.
    judiciary.house.gov


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