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Who do Trump and the GOP really work for?
By meagain
December 12, 2025 9:10 am
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America is in or on the verge of a seriously bad recession and the Trump regime is hiding the numbers; the signs are everywhere. His incoherent tariffs, massive tax breaks for billionaires, and gutting the Inflation Reduction Act are kneecapping our economy.

In response, Trump visited Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania this week and tried to pitch himself as a champion for the little guy, the middle class, small farmers, and working people.

Which raises the question: who do Trump and the GOP really work for?

— Putin was furious that the Biden administration had been providing Ukraine with weapons systems, including air defense munitions and HIMARS rockets, so in March of this year Trump abruptly suspended delivery of most US military aid and Republicans in Congress never restarted it.

— American billionaires didn’t want to pay their damn taxes, so Trump and the GOP gave them trillions in new tax breaks with their Big Beautiful Billionaire’s Bill while increasing the taxes paid by the bottom 80% of Americans.

— After giving the Trump family gifts, trademarks, and patents, President Xi of China wanted Nvidia chips to help bring his military and AI capabilities up to where he could easily defeat a US effort to defend Taiwan, so Trump changed the rules so Xi could get his chips and Republicans in Congress are refusing to stop him.

— Both Putin and Xi were constantly irritated by the Voice of America broadcasting truthful news and pro-democracy programming so Trump killed off the broadcasts, is shutting down the stations and transmitters, and Republicans in Congress are letting it happen.


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Comments on "Who do Trump and the GOP really work for?":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on December 12, 2025 9:12 am

    Re: Who dom Trump and thr GOP really workm for?

    Juss a quick note, meagain, by tradition all SS posts are in English.


  2. by islander on December 13, 2025 5:59 am

    Thanks, meagain !!

    There are still about one third of the American people who are unable, or for some reason, unwilling to connect the dots. And for those who can see what is happening and what he is doing, but still support Trump and this administration; I can only guess, but it seems to me that they are driven by anger over "something"(?), that in their own mind justifies their pleasure at seeing Trump destroy what the rest of us here and around the world, have worked so hard to try and achieve.

    It seems to be a kind of self justified bitterness. Whatever it is, it's Trump's ability to appeal to the worst in people that is his strongest talent. And he is able to convince them that it is justified when they act on those impulses.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on December 13, 2025 6:57 am

    The thing is, people who love the Constitution struggle with their choice between evil and evil-er.

    In 024, the majority of Americans knew. Trump is merely evil.


  4. by islander on December 13, 2025 7:26 am

    The Constitution is an amoral legal framework not meant to define good or evil. Not everything legal is moral or ethical, nor is everything that is illegal evil.

    The majority of Americans didn't vote in 2024, and the majority of those who did vote, did not vote for Trump, they voted for someone other than Trump. However, it's anyone's guess as to how many Americans who voted or didn't vote acknowledged that he was evil.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on December 13, 2025 7:29 am

    "
    The Constitution is an amoral legal framework not meant to define good or evil."

    HolyfreakinfrigginEFFINcow, man!


  6. by Donna on December 13, 2025 7:45 am

    Trump and Putin are conspiring against Ukraine and Europe. I think their long-range plans are to create a trilateral world, where China controls eastern Asia, Russia controls Europe, and the US controls the Americas.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on December 13, 2025 8:07 am

    Conspiring.

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha


  8. by oldedude on December 13, 2025 8:33 am
    isle- However, it's anyone's guess as to how many Americans who voted or didn't vote acknowledged that he was evil.

    I don't see either side as "evil." I have an extremely clear understanding of what I define as "evil." I've tried to give examples of my "evil" definition, and that seems to be out of the reality of folks here. Sport murders of humans is evil. Ergo, 10/7 was an evil act. as was the Holocaust, and the mass murders in southern Europe, Africa, etc. Truly torturing people is evil. This comes up again with references above. Cutting people apart while they're alive is evil. Using infants to test your swords is evil (ala the japanese in Nanjing).



  9. by Donna on December 13, 2025 8:38 am

    IMO evil is what happens when love is absent.


  10. by islander on December 13, 2025 9:00 am

    To me, evil is experiencing pleasure from the suffering of another person or living thing.


  11. by islander on December 13, 2025 9:03 am

    "HolyfreakinfrigginEFFINcow, man!" ~ Hate

    From your response above, I take it you think the Constitution defines good and evil ?


  12. by islander on December 13, 2025 9:10 am

    Donna, in my mind to experience pleasure from the suffering of another human being could only be possible in the absence of love. I think they are intertwined in that way.


  13. by Indy! on December 13, 2025 9:13 am
    by Donna on December 13, 2025 7:45 am

    Trump and Putin are conspiring against Ukraine and Europe. I think their long-range plans are to create a trilateral world, where China controls eastern Asia, Russia controls Europe, and the US controls the Americas.



    They'll call it Eastasia, Eurasia and Oceania. 🙂


  14. by Donna on December 13, 2025 9:41 am

    Islander - Christ Consciousness is all about Love.

    Nice observation there, Indy! I wasn't thinking along those lines when I posted that.





  15. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 4:06 am

    Donna,

    "Islander - Christ Consciousness is all about Love."

    Interesting. Where'd you get that? Not saying that I disagree.


  16. by islander on December 14, 2025 6:27 am

    Donna, I agree. Years ago Hate, then pb, and I had an ongoing argument on this very thing. What is Christianity about, or most concerned with? Hate thought it was obedience, I believe it is about Love.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 6:39 am

    isle,

    And, this is s a question of the centuries. Bottom line, Jesus taught that, in the end, what a person does that matters. Even the so-called, Golden Rule, ""So in everything, DO to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets," is about obedience. Do, BABY!

    His "sheep and goats" teach is about doing... i.e., obedience... feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, etc..

    The question, of course, becomes, where does obedience come from? Jesus's answer is clear. The GREATEST COMMANDMENT... COMMANDMENT... is, "love the Lord your God...."

    Love is a command. Unless the command to love is obeyed, it's of no import in a person's life.

    That's straight down the line Jesus!!!!

    Ain't?


  18. by islander on December 14, 2025 7:11 am

    So, Hate, what do you think has greater value? Loving your neighbor as yourself, or loving your neighbor because you are commanded to? Do you really think love is something that can be given on command? Love, real love, can only be freely given.


  19. by islander on December 14, 2025 7:26 am

    You see, Hate, there really are people who love their neighbor not because they are commanded to. Their love is not driven by a command to obey. It doesn't spring from a desire to be obedient. They would love the other person as themselves even if they weren't commanded to do so.


  20. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 7:36 am

    "So, Hate, what do you think has greater value? Loving your neighbor as yourself, or loving your neighbor because you are commanded to?"

    isle, I'm with Jesus. He commanded it. As the ole Gospel Song says, "That's good enuff for me."

    I've meditated over the question you raise... a lot... over many, many of the years of my geezerly life. It seems to me that the command connects belief to the "fruit" it produces. Unless you live it, it doesn't exist... you don't love.

    I've read the Gospels over and over again. I'm continually stunned by the importance Jesus places on lifestyle, action. He's my Lord. I take Him at His word.


    "Do you really think love is something that can be given on command? Love, real love, can only be freely given."

    That's objectively sensical. But, it's not Jesus.

    The thing of it is, is. Everything important to the Christian lifestyle, is commanded.

    Love, of course. And, "believe in the Lord and you will be saved."


  21. by islander on December 14, 2025 8:12 am

    And of course, Hate, that’s where we differ. I see Christianity and Jesus differently than you. I see him not as a lawgiver commanding us to obey him, but as a teacher showing us how to live if we’re ever to be truly happy. A person can love his neighbor as himself even if he never heard of Jesus or the bible and be truly happy. A mother can show her daughter how to make a better cake, and when the daughter follows her mother's instructions, the cake comes out beautifully. The mother isn't commanding her daughter to do something a certain way, she is just showing her the better way.


  22. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 8:27 am

    I get that, isle, I always have.

    IMO, you're placing yourself above all the most ancient authorities that give accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus. Bully for you. I don't possess your audacity.

    Everything you understand about the absurdity of even thinking about commanding love... and faith... I agree with. But, I'm convinced that Jesus is Who He claimed to be. That supersedes my ability to reason and understand.


  23. by islander on December 14, 2025 9:09 am

    You're right in a certain sense, Hate. I'm undogmatic and open to questioning, even ancient authorities. I know that makes some people angry, since they see it as audacity for questioning God. But I suspect that for many their real anger comes from having someone with the audacity to question what they themselves are certain of, and they tell me all will bend their knee before Christ when he returns, and the rest will be damned to hell! That's the form of Christianity I reject. I was told directly by one pastor that I am on the road to Hell if I continue thinking like that.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 9:16 am

    You are on that road. Your way of being isn't spectacularly unique. It's what's portrayed in the story of Adam, Eve and the serpent. Some day, we'll find out which of us, or either, was right.


  25. by islander on December 14, 2025 9:30 am

    I'm pretty sure you believe that, Hate. But I believe behavior supersedes belief. The value of a belief, or lack thereof, comes from how it affects behavior. What a person actually does is primary. That's where, by their fruits you shall know them...not by their beliefs comes in.


  26. by Indy! on December 14, 2025 9:53 am

    by Donna on December 13, 2025 9:41 am

    Nice observation there, Indy! I wasn't thinking along those lines when I posted that.



    Odourous and Brown Shorts are still googling that one. 🙂


  27. by Navy2711 on December 14, 2025 10:31 am

    "But I suspect that for many their real anger comes from having someone with the audacity to question what they themselves are certain of ..."

    Lol that's exactly right. Christian indignation in a nutshell.


  28. by Indy! on December 14, 2025 11:04 am

    They're like atheists. Both are so sure they know the unknowable.


  29. by meagain on December 14, 2025 11:49 am
    One should distinguish between moral evil and external evil. One does actual harm in a physical or practical sense. The other, as long as it does not breach society's laws, is harmful only to conscience.
    When defined in a moral or religious sense, it is a lack of goodness. But, I wonder whether goodness or morality can exist in the absence of evil?


  30. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 2:08 pm

    "But I believe behavior supersedes belief."

    Really now, isle. What does anyone do that is disconnected from belief? The message of Jesus is that behavior IS belief.


  31. by islander on December 14, 2025 3:06 pm

    The kind of belief I'm talking about, Hate, is dogmatic religious belief. Such as one must believe such and such in order to be saved. I think loving your neighbor, is more important than believing you must accept Jesus as your savior in order to be saved. Such a belief would only have value if it caused you to actually love your neighbor. Loving your neighbor is what is important. I believe the one who actually loves his neighbor as himself would be saved even if he never heard of Jesus or was an atheist.

    You said it yourself, that you agreed with the pastor that said I was on the road to hell because of what I believed. I didn't believe what he told me I had to believe, so I was on the road to hell no matter what I actually did because I didn't have the required beliefs.


  32. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 3:19 pm

    "The kind of belief I'm talking about, Hate, is dogmatic religious belief. Such as one must believe such and such in order to be saved."

    Nuthin changed in the 2,000+ since Jesus walked the earth. The Scribes and Pharisees that Jesus unloaded on were what the "believers" you’re unloading on today.


  33. by islander on December 14, 2025 3:57 pm

    Hate, How do you relate the idea that nothing has changed to what we were discussing?


  34. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2025 4:22 pm

    isle,

    Because religious traditionalism is what it has always been. I sense that your battle is not against the teachings and way of Jesus but against the good, old-fashioned, institutionalized religion attached to the organized church, which is understandable considering that you came from Catholicism.


  35. by Indy! on December 14, 2025 6:14 pm

    Catholics are the only real Christians. That has already been established on this board.


  36. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 6:36 pm
    I"m not going to answer anything I cannot make any sense of. Wrong again, Quit your day drinking. or manage your strokes (which I'll excuse)


  37. by islander on December 14, 2025 7:26 pm

    You're quite wrong about that, Hate, I'm not rebelling against institutionalized religion. After all this time you still don't get what I've been telling you.You're still missing the point.


  38. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 8:32 pm
    Honestly, isle, can you translate this? It's unreadable to me. I've been giving latitude for a minor stroke, etc which I still accept if that's the issue. And I will always be kind for that. I just need to know.


  39. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 3:17 am

    isle,

    I know what you've been telling me. I think that you significantly lack self-awareness.


  40. by islander on December 15, 2025 4:45 am

    Sorry, Hate, your ad hominems and attempts to directly avoid confronting anything I've been telling you demonstrate your inability or fear to genuinely discuss anything of this nature in good faith. I can only go by what you say in your posts, but as often as not your ad hominems seem to be a reflection of yourself.


  41. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 4:55 am

    Ad hominems?, nah. Merely honest observations based in yyyyyyearrrrrs of posting with you. No insult intended, merely an expressions of frustration.


  42. by islander on December 15, 2025 5:29 am

    Instead of using ad hominems to express your frustrations, Hate, perhaps you could try to explain why you are frustrated.

    For example: You could try to explain why you are frustrated by what I believe or don't believe. Such as my disbelief in the pastor's and your belief that I am on the road to hell not because of anything I've done, but rather because my beliefs contradict yours. Why does that frustrate you? Is it simply because you are unable to grasp how I can possibly not believe what you do? Or is it possible that when you look at your belief in the light of day it threatens the image of the God that you have painted for yourself?


  43. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 6:16 am

    I already did. See #s 32, 34 and 39. No insult intended, merely, honest observation.


  44. by Donna on December 15, 2025 6:27 am

    Who does Trump work for? Here's a clue:

    The Russian government announced that Trump's National Security Strategy is "largely consistent with Moscow's vision".



  45. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 6:41 am

    I get that your TDS drives your every thought, there, Donna, but my take on Russia's statement is that it has chosen to admit, to itself, defeat in its drive to conquer Ukraine, and that it is spinning its defeat as acceptance of the will of the US, and and the larger community of nations.

    But, if wallowing in deranged TrumpHate gives you joy?...

    Amazing how literally you choose to believe in Russian propaganda.


  46. by Donna on December 15, 2025 7:51 am

    I think it's funny, or maybe odd, but I'm curious why you almost always respond to ne with an ad hominem attack.



  47. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 8:08 am

    For example, Donna?

    My sense of you woke is that you, generally, regard every point of sincere disagreement as a personal attack. In fact, that attitude significantly defines the woke.


  48. by Donna on December 15, 2025 8:23 am

    I guess you've been doing it for so long now that you don't even see it anymore.


  49. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 8:26 am

    Or, you're so woke...


  50. by Donna on December 15, 2025 9:04 am

    Your favorite 4-letter word. You use that in place of vulgarities.

    I know that most posters here love that sort of thing, though. I guess I don't fit in here anymore.





  51. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 9:25 am

    But, you are woke.


  52. by Donna on December 15, 2025 9:27 am

    Yes, I am.


  53. by meagain on December 15, 2025 1:17 pm
    my take on Russia's statement is that it has chosen to admit, to itself, defeat in its drive to conquer Ukraine, and that it is spinning its defeat as acceptance of the will of the US, and and the larger community of nations."

    Really, HtS? Trump's peace proposals might well have been dictated to him bu Putin, and probably were. They give the Russians everything they wanted and follow almost exactly Putin's demands. Putin's bottom line is the ceding of the Donetsk which is the industrial heartland of Ukraine as well as rich in mineral deposits. Trump agreed with that and demands that Zelensky concede.


  54. by islander on December 16, 2025 11:23 am

    I think Lisa Baker summed it up quite accurately;

    "For Putin this is a historic breakthrough. Russia was an isolated pariah state, essentially backed only by Iran, North Korea and China. Then Trump handed Moscow what it could never win on the battlefield: the political capture of the United States. Now the Kremlin can count MAGA America as an objective asset. Putin has managed to make a leader of the free world betray the allies that America has stood with for eighty years."


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