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Great news for Indy and other third party enthusiasts! By Curt_Anderson July 5, 2025 5:23 pm Category: Politics (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post & Tips. Write & edit articles How To Post Here

Elon Musk says he is launching a new political party, weeks after a dramatic falling out with US President Donald Trump.

The billionaire announced on his social media platform X that he had set up the America Party and billed it as a challenge to the Republican and Democratic two-party system.

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by Indy! on July 5, 2025 6:22 pm It's bad news because the most optimistic take (imho) is it will be another party calling itself "a third option" pretending to be "purple" when in reality the only way it will qualify as a "compromise" will be to entail the worst aspects of both parties. We've seen this before - many times. Whether it survives or not - it will not help the country in any way except for Leon and the others at the top who will no doubt be pocketing most of the cash contributions... if there actually are any. If there aren't any - Leon will simply take it as a tax write-off (which might be his real plan anyway). by Indy! on July 5, 2025 6:26 pm And just so we're clear, this is not the kind of "third party" I'm looking for, nor will it put an end to the idea that we need more parties because - like all the parties already out there - it will be on the far right of the political spectrum. Although for you, Curt (and Robert)? It's exactly what you've been looking for - another lame excuse to claim third parties don't work (even though "both" parties in existence now were originally outlier third parties). by Curt_Anderson on July 5, 2025 9:13 pm "...(even though "both" parties in existence now were originally outlier third parties). ---Indy! You were so close to almost getting it! Any third party attempting to challenge the duopoly (as Ralph Nader called it) has only three spots to occupy: to the left of the Democrats, to the right of Republicans or in the middle. The current Democratic Party either evolved from or replaced Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party, depending on which historian you prefer. The then-new Republican Party muscled the Whig Party out of existence. Third parties in America (in the examples in which they succeeded) come at the expense of a one-time major party, so they then become one of two main parties. That's because we don't form coalition governments like the UK or other parliamentary-governed nations. Since Lincoln's time the Republicans and Democrats have shifted politically. Being anti-slavery as the Republicans were, is the progressive position. The pro-slavery Democrats of that time were the conservatives. Look at the any electoral map during the Republicans' first one hundred years or so. The Democrats were strongest in the Old South and rural areas where the Republicans are strong now. The opposite is true of the Republicans who were strongest in the northeast and urban areas. For the record, I expect Musk to abandon the idea of creating a third party sooner rather than later. But I hope he burns through a lot of money on advertising and syphons off Republican votes if they ever field any candidates. by HatetheSwamp on July 6, 2025 3:23 am Did you see this? politico.com by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2025 7:36 am I just read that Politico article about the Libertarians hoping to hitch their wagon to Musk. Thanks, HtS. Not sure if they are starting off on the right foot though. Subvert and subversive have negative connotations. by HatetheSwamp on July 6, 2025 8:17 am True, but there's a lot of HatetheSwamp sentiment around these days. This may be the time... by islander on July 6, 2025 8:35 am Ranked Choice Voting is a system that could be considered for creating a third party. It’s working well here in Maine. While it might not immediately lead to the formation of a third party, a successful candidate would have to draw support from both existing parties. Over time, one of the two existing parties would likely disappear, and the third party would emerge to take its place. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2025 9:11 am Islander, Surprisingly to me, voters here in Oregon rejected a ballot measure that would have adopted ranked choice voting last year. Ranked choice voting could, as you suggest, perhaps allow a third party to replace one of the two major parties. Even if that happened, the two party liberal/conservative dichotomy would remain the same, although the names may change. by HatetheSwamp on July 6, 2025 9:27 am I agree, Curt, two distinct political traditions developed in the federal government as soon as George Washington chose not to run for a third term. They developed organically, before they were organized. isle, In Maine, does ranked choice voting apply to presidential voting? by islander on July 6, 2025 10:57 am Curt, I fully agree that as one party faded away, we'd end up rather quickly with two parties once again. However, to me, with ranked choice voting, extremism in either party would be reduced since, in order to win an election, each party would have to put up a candidate that appeals to more than 50% of the voters, and there'd be no chance for a spoiler to make it possible for someone to win even though the majority of voters didn't approve of that person. And to hate, yes, we have ranked choice voting for federal elections here in Maine. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2025 12:33 pm Islander, To be clear, I voted for ranked choice voting. I agree that it will tend to eliminate extremist politicians. by Indy! on July 6, 2025 1:48 pm Curt - you're turning into OD with the explanations of things everyone already knows. It's no wonder your mind is closed to any new ideas. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2025 2:21 pm Indy, What your "new idea" about third parties? That they should be as popular as the main two parties? We already know that you think that. That we should change to a parliamentary system and form a coalition government with a combination of major and minor parties? Good luck with that. by Indy! on July 6, 2025 3:10 pm There are nearly as many independent-registered voters as voters registered as Ds as well as voters registered as Rs (meaning each party separately - not together if that's not clear). So the ONLY reason there is not a third party able to scoop up all those open minded folks is because of people like yourself who live in the past continually shooting the idea down because you know your party sucks... and the fact no new party (or more importantly and the part you always seem to overlook) - neither of the two existing parties can come up with a platform to engage those hanging chads. by Donna on July 6, 2025 3:15 pm The third party solution is a zombie solution that will never die. How long has the Green Party been trying to get off the ground, forty years? The main problem is lack of money. That reason alone makes it a non-starter. The Greens nor any new alternative party will ever be competitive in the US. Our best bet has always been to change the Democratic Party. The Tea Party Patriots for all their horribleness were smart to reform the Republican Party instead of trying to create a brand new party from scratch. by Indy! on July 6, 2025 4:04 pm If that was meant for me, every time I've asked for change my first response is the Democrats need to do something. They have refused to do anything that requires actual change - that is why I have (personally) given up on them. But like all true optimists, on the extremely rare times you guys actually start talking about change - my FIRST suggestion is ALWAYS for the DEMOCRATS (not a third party) to offer some actual policy that will help the average American and make some of the changes needed in this country. But - to be fair - I know for people like Curt and Robert, it's much more warm and fuzzy for them to pretend like I am some crazy "socialist" asking for the impossible because that way their comfortable lives won't be disturbed in any inconvenient manner. by Donna on July 6, 2025 4:24 pm I'm very much in favor of Medicare For All, but even if every Democrat in Congress supported it, it would be next to impossible to pass. There are other ideas I'd like to make law too, like abolishing the electoral college, but that's not going to happen. Not being a defeatist, just a realist. There are a lot of things in life like that. by Indy! on July 6, 2025 5:02 pm Guess it depends on how you define "realist". To me, continually hoping the GOP comes up with a worse candidate than your own preferred party is not a "realistic" strategy - it's fool's gold. And - as I've pointed out many times - the D's had the votes to pass M4A and they chose not to even try to pass it. So - for me at least - hoping the Ds somehow pass something of import does not fall into the category of "realist" in any way. You'll just have to take it for granted that I understand "there are a lot of things in life like that" and believe me when I say the day I gave up on the Ds altogether was one of the best days ever politically for me. The frustration is no longer there once you accept they are not here to help us anymore than the Rs exist to help us. They are two sides of one coin created to serve only the oligarchy. by Donna on July 6, 2025 7:57 pm Not every Democrat is in favor of M4A. If you don't like the way your rep votes, then vote them out next election. by Indy! on July 6, 2025 8:07 pm Apparently the ONLY thing ANY Democrat believes in is posing for the cameras. by HatetheSwamp on July 7, 2025 7:30 am "And - as I've pointed out many times - the D's had the votes to pass M4A and they chose not to even try to pass it." I agree, Indy. In 010. The ONE was determined to foist, what turned out to be, mere health insurance reform, on America. He could have chosen the Indy way. His fascist, Chicagoland politics, would have worked that one time, so long as Dems ran Congress but, once he foisted his bill, it was inevitable that GOPs would run both Houses of Congress, and he'd be dead meat. That was, probably a once in a century perfect political storm. by Donna on July 7, 2025 9:19 am That wasn't "foisted"; it was voted on by our representatives. That system is called a democratic republic. You should familiarize yourself with it. by HatetheSwamp on July 7, 2025 9:26 am Donna, C'mon. Gimme a break, man! Our representatives, well not my representative, but many dozens Dems, voted for it after the American President who most closely resembles Joseph Stalin, bribed and threatened them. Google the 2010 election to reacquaint yourself with how that went over with the voters who were forced, by The ONE, to bend over and take it. by Donna on July 7, 2025 10:02 am There's nothing substantive in that you just posted - just emotion. You're also flip-flopping on what you once explained to me what you mean by "foisted". Your undercutting your original explanation. ALL presidents push congress to pass legislation they want, not just Obama. by HatetheSwamp on July 7, 2025 10:10 am "There's nothing substantive in that you just posted - just emotion." Check out the results of the 010 election. Tell me how I'm wrong. by Donna on July 7, 2025 10:19 am What we're discussing has nothing to do with the results of an election. I suggest growing up and admitting that you changed your own definition of foisted in your emotional rant. by Indy! on July 7, 2025 10:51 am No reason for Brown Shorts to be upset - Obama passed the GOP health care plan. As our buddy Tuk used to say - two colors, one party. They're absolutely working together. by HatetheSwamp on July 7, 2025 11:00 am Donna, Dictionaries often cite multiple definitions for the same word, but I know you are touchy about that verb, foist. by Donna on July 7, 2025 11:40 am You once corrected me when I misused YOUR definition of foist. What interests me is why you always have such an impossible time admitting when you were wrong. And actually you're not the only one; it's rampant on this forum, left and right. It seems to be common among old white men. Why are you all so insecure? by Indy! on July 7, 2025 11:57 am Don't include me in that group because I just admitted to being wrong in another thread. Go To Top

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