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U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records By Curt_Anderson April 26, 2025 9:12 am Category: Law (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post & Tips Write A New Article How To Post Here

(CBS News)Three weeks ago, 238 Venezuelan migrants were flown from Texas to a maximum security prison in El Salvador.

That country's president offered to take them and the Trump administration used a law not invoked since World War II to send them -- claiming they are all terrorists and violent gang members.

The government has released very little information about the men. But through internal government documents, we have obtained a list of their identities and found that an overwhelming majority have no apparent criminal convictions or even criminal charges.

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by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2025 9:21 am CBS. Of course. I'm not all aghast at Trump trying to "remove the worst first," but did DHS ever claim that these people were convicted criminals? by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 9:40 am Oh, do you now only believe the "new media"? Ok, here you go... Joe Rogan, the podcaster MAGAworld can't ignore, warned his listeners about "people who are not criminals ... getting lassoed up and deported and sent to El Salvador prisons." Incidentally, it doesn't matter if the deportees have criminal records or not. All persons deserve due process before being tossed into a mega-prison (foreign at that) for who knows how long. by Indy! on April 26, 2025 9:53 am Comical how little the Brown Shorts know about their own country’s inner workings. 😂 by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2025 9:55 am Wow! You're a Joe Rogan man!!!!!? I'd have never guessed! Baha. And, Curt, you're the one here who says, "But pb, but pb, rights are not absolute!" I wanted Trump to have due process before he was 14th Amendment-ed out of running in 024. You, and po, not so much. I'm all for due process for illegals. I don't want anyone with a legitimate right to be here to be accidentally sent away but I understand that these illegals don't have the rights to due process that citizens do. In this case you're correct. Rights have limitations. by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 10:30 am "I understand that these illegals don't have the rights to due process that citizens do."---HtS HtS, You have miserable understanding of the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution generally. Read the Fifth Amendment carefully. No where in it will you find the word "citizen". The word "person" is used twice. It states that no person shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". The 14th Amendment repeats that concept: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. And yes, even due process rights as codified in the 5th and 14th Amendments are not absolute. If you were to be involved in a shootout with the police, you might not survive to have your day in court. As for Trump and section 3 of the 14th, he did have his due process. He was able to take his case to multiple courts, eventually winning in the Supreme Court. Imho, the SCOTUS ruling was preposterous. "The presidency, that court ruled, is not an office under the United States, and the president is not an officer of the United States", therefore not subject to the 14th. Under that logic, Trump would have been ineligible to be elected to Congress. constitution.congress.gov constitution.congress.gov scotusblog.com by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2025 10:50 am Curt, You ain't no po. Perhaps we need po to chime in... ... but pb's Legal Goobers and Legal Goober Adjacents don't share your opinion. Absolutely, the undocumented have a right to due process but not to the same degree as do citizens. For instance, they don't have a right to be represented by an attorney as I understand it, nor do they have the right to a trial before a jury. But, you seem to know just about everything... and po absolutely everything. by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 11:11 am HtS, I highly doubt that any lawyer, even a FOX News pundit lawyer, would say what you claim they did. If you think you understood them correctly post link and quote what they said. Otherwise, chalk it up to your hearing what you wanted to hear. Deportation is the process of removing a noncitizen from the U.S. for violating immigration law. Deportation is NOT imprisoning them in a foreign prison. Various mob figures, Lucky Luciano for instance, have been deported from the US but not into any foreign prison. Luciano was free to travel about Italy and anywhere else in the world except the United States. Arguably, he was not deprived of liberty. by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2025 11:15 am Curt, Are you doubting the Goobers on the attorney and jury points? by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 11:27 am No, I am doubting you. Incidentally, even citizens don't have a right to an attorney in every courtroom situation. You cannot expect to have a government provided public defender to argue against your traffic or parking ticket. But a person has the right to be informed of the charges, the right to present a defense and the right to be heard if they care to fight the ticket. The same at least applies to deportation. The [Supreme] Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. constitution.congress.gov by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 11:47 am HtS, Since you won't be able to find what you think your favorite FOX legal pundits said, I will help you out with what one of them really said. “No one is saying they can’t deport these people,” [Fox News conservative legal commentator Andy] McCarthy continued. “Nobody is saying that. But in the United States, we have due process of law.” McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, said most, if not all, of the alleged foreign terrorists he prosecuted received life sentences—but only after appearing before a judge. “I couldn’t say to the agent, ‘Go arrest them, and instead of bringing them to court, put them on a plane and take them to a third country,” McCarthy said, in a nod to the government flying alleged Venezuelan gang members to El Salvador for detainment. “We have laws about… the process that you have to go through in order to obtain that outcome,” McCarthy added. thehill.com by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2025 12:00 pm Yeah, Andy McCarthy is Legal Goober #3, but how are these paragraphs relevant to our dialog. And, bubba, your Fox News fixation is Indy-esque. Why the hate? by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 12:08 pm HtS, I like how you plead ignorance. Well played. Nobody would ever accuse you of not being ignorant about the US Constitution, US laws or even of FOX pundit's plain language explanation of them. by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2025 12:17 pm huh by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 12:18 pm Btw, HtS, despite all that I've shown you and discussed in this thread, I'll give you about a day or two before you return here and claim that the due process rights of the 5th and 14th Amendments only apply to citizens. by oldedude on April 26, 2025 1:25 pm curt. we're talking about the same thing we were last week. So we're going to argue facts vs your "feelings." This already went to SCOTUS. Done. There were some things the administration needed (past tense) to do to make the actions to be correct for SCOTUS. AND I agreed with SCOTUS. Did they do it the best way? No. Should they have followed immigration law? Yes, without a doubt. I agree that there were things that should have been done. The administration was advised and shame on them if they repeat the first SCOTUS order. If they don't do what SCOTUS wants (future tense from the second SCOTUS rendered the order), they deserve to get what they get. Now? you're turning into a whiney little kid. The milk's spilled, the adult in the room moved the cup away from the kid or used a tippy cup, and everything's cleaned up. Move on. 1. The #1 issue is that you "feel" like "due process" means a jury trial. It doesn't. If you want to argue read the SCOTUS decision and immigration law that I've given you and cited. 2. "Due Process" in immigration law references a judge. Period. According to SCOTUS, if the do that, the administration is fulfilled the requirements. 3. I covered this ad nauseum also. Deporting is not a sentence to a criminal act. Although a non-citizen can be deported for a criminal act, but that's not necessary. You have the list of things you can be deported for. Some of them are criminal. Some are not. Therefore. If they came in as a gotaway, they can be deported without question. If they are even a small part of human trafficking, drugs, weapons, etc they can be deported. by Ponderer on April 26, 2025 1:38 pm Curt's right about everything. by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 1:47 pm OD, Thank you for sharing your feelings! Ponderer, Thanks. Sometimes I feel like a special ed teacher posting explanations which should be obvious by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 2:01 pm March 24 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court judge said on Monday that Nazis were given more rights to contest their removal from the United States during World War Two than Venezuelan migrants deported by the Trump administration. The 238 Salvadoran migrants deported to El Salvador did not appear before a judge in either the US or El Salvador. They were deported to El Salvador and immediately placed in detention at the mega prison CECOT. There were no legal proceedings in El Salvador to justify their detention. In the US, the deportations were carried out despite a judge's order to stop the process. reuters.com apnews.com by Ponderer on April 26, 2025 2:39 pm I, Donna, have to chime in here. Obama deported 3 million illegal immigrants. I highly doubt that anywhere close to those 3 million were granted a trial. They simply couldn't show they were here legally, so Obama deported them. Garcia's case is different. From the BBC (link below): ...But the judge who presided over his 2019 case said that based on the confidential information, there was sufficient evidence to support Mr Abrego Garcia's gang membership. That finding was later upheld by another judge. As a result Mr Abrego Garcia was refused bail and remained in custody. During this time he applied for asylum to prevent his deportation to El Salvador. In October 2019 he was granted a "withholding of removal" order, court documents show - a status different from asylum, but one which prevented the US government from sending him back to El Salvador because he could face harm. Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say that he was granted the status based on his "well-founded" fear of persecution by Barrio-18, the main rival gang of MS-13. He said that prior to him entering the US, his family and their business had been threatened and extorted by Barrio-18. Since 2019 [Trump was president then - Donna], when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident". Mr Abrego Garcia has faced at least two other allegations of criminal activity, neither of which resulted in a conviction. So it sounds to me that up until recently, Garcia was given due process, and that our legal system ruled that he could stay under a "protective order". Furthermore, Trump himself said that Garcia was deported by mistake. Someone else in his administration said it was a "clerical error". In addition, the SCOTUS, in a rare 9-0 decision, ordered the Trump Admin to "facilitate the return" of Garcia, but Trump so far hasn't complied, and he added that he can't do anything about it, which I don't buy. What I think is going on is that after seeing how impossible and costly it was going to be for Homan to deport 11+ million illegal immigrants, they decided that the only way to accomplish that would be to extra-judiciously, if necessary, deport an immigrant like Garcia, who was under protective order, and send him directly to a prison in El Salvador, where he's from, for the rest of his life, the idea being that this would scare bejesus out of the millions of other illegal immigrants into self-deporting. What scares me personally is that if Trump can defy a unanimous SCOTUS ruling to return a deported immigrant to the U.S., then there's nothing stopping him from deporting anyone he wants, including U.S. citizens, to Gitmo or the like, regardless of what our courts rule. And we would have no recourse. And Trump has even hinted that he might do that when he said to Bukele, the president of El Salvador, "Home-growns are next. The home-growns. You gotta build about five more places. It's not big enough." Transpeople are hardly embraced by Trump and many of his cultists - just sayin'. So of course Ponderer and I are concerned. No one else here can relate to what we're feeling right now. msn.com by Curt_Anderson on April 26, 2025 3:05 pm "Obama deported 3 million illegal immigrants. I highly doubt that anywhere close to those 3 million were granted a trial." ---Donna For a simple deportation, a trial isn't necessary. A hearing before an immigration judge suffices. The deportees under Obama's presidency were given notice, a hearing, a chance to defend themselves---due process. Of course, Obama was simply deporting people, not putting them into a foreign prison. Depriving somebody of their liberty requires greater constitutional protections. You are not alone in your anxiety. Somebody who is the significant other of a family member is British. He's lived and worked in America for thirty years but for whatever reason he's never applied for US citizenship. I don't really know his immigration status, but it is the cause of nervousness. They normally would be involved in protests, but given his circumstances, they are laying low. by Ponderer on April 26, 2025 3:19 pm We already know of two people who have either already left the U.S. or are planning to. One is a friend of a friend, a transwoman who's an immigrant. I don't know her immigration status. The other is a friend I can't talk about now, but this person is a U.S. citizen, born here, non-TG, who doesn't want to take any chances for reasons I understand. by meagain on April 26, 2025 4:17 pm Numbers leaving America? Hundreds of doctors. Probably mostly returning Canadians, but there have been enquiries from hundreds of Americans. Many Academics are leaving or thinking seriously of it. Three prominent Yale professors have already come to the University of Toronto, and many more are in negotiations with different universities. Other professionals are here or planning to be. It's a brain drain that we are grateful for. by oldedude on April 26, 2025 7:13 pm March 24 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court judge said on Monday that Nazis were given more rights to contest their removal from the United States during World War Two than Venezuelan migrants deported by the Trump administration. First, I really feel sorry for your much better half. I'm sure she gets reminded daily of all the things she did that you didn't approve of when you were dating. She's married to an emotional manipulator. The woman needs to be canonized. I have always supported the SCOTUS decision. I also think the appellate judge should also let this go. The administration got their hands slapped and told what to do. What you believe in your heart of hearts that gangsters are perfect people that don't do any harm to others. The issue with your "theory" is that it's illegal to say that for this one country, potential deportees MUST have a jury trial. Which is selective enforcement. WTF doesn't everyone get a jury trial? That's exactly "if someone murders an LGBTQ+ person, it's okay. But if they murder someone that isn't part of that community, we throw the book at them. It's the same reasoning. Please contact Rogue Community College, it's pretty close to you. Take a class in US government. It would really help you out and make you an actual informed member of SS and a much better citizen. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2025 3:28 am I'll give you about a day or two before you return here and claim that the due process rights of the 5th and 14th Amendments only apply to citizens. Curt, I'll give a handful of hours to show where ole pb said that due process is only citizens. I absolutely don't think that. You are the one who repeatedly claims, "But pb, but pb, rights aren't absolute!" I dunno how you have the idea that I think illegals don't receive due process. It's why I've been saying that you comments are non sequiturs, and why I posted, "huh" by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2025 3:46 am In addition, the SCOTUS, in a rare 9-0 decision, ordered the Trump Admin to "facilitate the return" of Garcia, but Trump so far hasn't complied,... I posted about this a few days ago. So, I have to aks, how do you know that Trump hasn't complied? The Supreme Court, apparently, chose the word, "facilitate," carefully... not "effectuate." To MY knowledge, Trump may have "facilitated" Kilmar's return. His gang may have signaled to Bukele that, if El Salvador decides to release Garcia, the US will provide transportation, etc.. Because I am a libertarian-ish GOP, I am extremely concerned that Trump is overreaching presidential authority. IMO, the courts absolutely must check him. OTOH, I think that, some of the lib judges who've gotten involved in the attempt to run US foreign policy by engaging in lawfare, are doing waaaaaaay more harm than good. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2025 3:48 am For a simple deportation, a trial isn't necessary. A hearing before an immigration judge suffices. The deportees under Obama's presidency were given notice, a hearing, a chance to defend themselves---due process. Curt, Exactly. That's what pb's been saying all along! In these cases, that's due process. by oldedude on April 27, 2025 12:17 pm Did trumpster "overstep" in the first group? Although the laws are not conflicted, there an "assumption" in the act. trumpster (and his legal team) got their hands slapped just like pedojoe did more than once regarding student loan paybacks. Is it worth getting my knickers in a wad? No. And I don't have TPS, so there's that. Even if pedojoe would have done it, I may not agree wholeheartedly, but that's life. Move on. You all must have really psychologically harmed children if you can't put things behind you. We're still talking about the same group of people. Nothing has changed from the first time. Are they gangsters, I'm thinking most if not all are. Even your "father of the year" was driving a car for a slave trader. I know that being a slave trader only is an issue if we're talking about the civil war. Otherwise it's perfectly fine to support it. by Ponderer on April 27, 2025 2:47 pm Donna here. Deflection, obfuscation, lack of empathy. Nothing ever changes. That's why I left the forum several weeks ago. Anything else I was thinking of saying now would just be a waste of my time. That's why I left. by Indy! on April 27, 2025 5:57 pm If you want to read an interesting biography - The Last Will and Testament of Lucky Luciano. When he was deported to Italy, the Sicilian mafia offered to put him in control of their drug business rather than possibly having to go up against him if he decided to take it over. by oldedude on April 27, 2025 6:54 pm donna- we're not deflecting. We have been extremely factual about what the LAW says. If you want something different, change the law. I'm really sorry. I worked counter- drug and counter gang for a long time. These people slowly beat to death and parted out one of our informants quite literally. What they took were his thighs. To eat. And this was a US based Sinaloan gang. If you want someone to cry on your shoulder about this, get curt. or indy. or po. or yourself. None of you care about sex trafficking, which all of you support by saying "nothing" about it. And you've never said anything about the sex slavery. It's that complicitly quiet agreement that it's okay. As I've said before, I "used" to respect you as a human being. And like you're accusing me, you haven't said anything about the sex slavers. You DO care about terrorists. You don't give a single shit about any Jew. You jump on the homer bandwagon for gangsters that murder, beat their wives, rape and kill women. And you don't give a shit about the women and children they put into sex slavery or murder outright. So forgive me for no crocodile tears over an evil person. I will never forgive you for not supporting the true victims. by meagain on April 27, 2025 7:01 pm All American women are sex slaves according to the Republican Party. It puts their bodies firmly under the control of men. by oldedude on April 27, 2025 8:49 pm You're full of shit. by oldedude on April 28, 2025 6:31 am po/curt/donna/indy/wrongagain (same person, different moniker). Since the SCOTUS decision, has trumpster broken the law? Because y'all are talking about the same event (except wrongagain, the jumps at everything shiny), and placing future tense (or post SOCTUS decision) to it. That's the main problem here. Apparently, the liberal media is changing the tense, or all of you are taking it wrong (thusly the term "sheep"). As far as I can tell, trumpster is following immigration law regarding deportations. Thusly, there haven't been any more mass deportations. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 6:52 am Exactly, OD. Go To Top

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