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The Trump "peace plan": Ukraine surrenders to Russia.
By Curt_Anderson
April 23, 2025 4:53 pm
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Trump's proposal to end the war isn’t a peace plan—it’s a reward for aggression.

President Trump and his top aides demanded on Wednesday that Ukraine accede to an American-designed proposal that would essentially grant Russia all the territory it has gained in the war, while offering Kyiv only vague security assurances.

The American plan, which would also explicitly block Ukraine from ever joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, was rejected by President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, whose long-running dispute with Mr. Trump broke into the open two months ago in the Oval Office. The proposal also appears to call for the United States to recognize Russia’s 2014 takeover of Crimea, a region of Ukraine.

“There is nothing to talk about,” Mr. Zelensky said. “This violated our Constitution. This is our territory, the territory of Ukraine.”

Writing on X, the social media site, Yulia Svyrydenko, the Ukrainian economy minister said that “Ukraine is ready to negotiate — but not to surrender. There will be no agreement that hands Russia the stronger foundations it needs to regroup and return with greater violence.”


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  1. by oldedude on April 23, 2025 6:54 pm
    Like I've said ad nauseum, Russia MUST have Crimea in order to quit the war. I don't think there is wiggle room about this, and we're just starting the final stages of negotiation. I would expect nothing less out of the Russians. They're not going to give Sevastopol up easily. It's their eyes and ears. AND (the huge piece) it's their only warm water port in the entire country. This means they can move much of their navy within reach of Sevastopol and Cuba, and have access to their medium and long-range nuclear weapons that are either sub or surface weapons. They will not give that up.

    Flip side. Obviously, Ukraine also wants the port and all the goodies associated with it. And the fact that there's a lot of the minerals that will make Ukraine a lot of money doesn't help. The Russians are going to claim most people are "Russian" and Russia has controlled that area for a long time. So the culture and the "system" is already understood. I'm not sure how the people feel about that since the war started though. Obviously, the Russians will discard any mention of the civilians not wanting to be under Russian control.

    As usual, my knickers aren't in a wad over any of this. And this was an offer that Zelenskyy pissed on. Again. No surprise anywhere. I read this mostly because it's an update and I've been out of my usual reading, so other than being from curt's trifecta, it was an easy update. I'm going to start using Epoch Times, Breitbart, and American Thinker. Their about up to par with his rags.


  2. by Indy! on April 23, 2025 7:25 pm

    Interesting. I thought Breitfart was dead. Guess it's like they say... evil never dies. 🤔


  3. by Curt_Anderson on April 23, 2025 7:30 pm
    OD,
    Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is the victim. What benefit for all their suffering does Ukraine get out of Trump's "peace plan"? What price does Russia pay?


  4. by oldedude on April 23, 2025 7:36 pm
    What part of "And this was an offer that Zelenskyy pissed on" don't you understand? This is a part of negotiations. Wow... I'll bet you pay the price on the sticker for your cars, right?


  5. by Curt_Anderson on April 23, 2025 10:45 pm
    OD,
    I believe your intent was to insult me. The problem is your non sequitur post makes no sense. Again...What's in it for Ukraine? What price does Russia pay?


  6. by oldedude on April 23, 2025 11:23 pm
    My point is that you honestly don't have any negotiation skills at all. You think this is the "End" of negotiations. When in fact, it's just the beginning. You're missing the most important part of negotiations. That is what is your opponent willing to give up? And what are they NOT willing to give up. My guess is that this "negotiation" will last throughout the summer. So to think or even consider this is an "end result," is stupid. Each side (remember, there are more sides than two in this "negotiation." There is NATO, Ukraine, US, Russia, China, DPRK, Iran that are all part of this deal. There was a lot of money from both NATO and Chinese- allies that are expecting things. There are governments that "owe" different players in this chess match that are "owed" blood, treasure, or something else. Everyone expects something they expected when they supported either side or something else. My guess is the Radical Islamists feel they're owed something for supporting the "anti Soviet side. Things like money for the families having a fighter for the Ukrainians who died (more cost), and those fighting that did not die. That is typical for Ukraine to pay for in their system of raising armies. The Chinese and DPRK are expecting A LOT from Russia for using their technology and armies.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2025 4:19 am

    Two pb points!

    1. pb's been the most hawkish supporter of Ukraine on SS since before Putin invaded and he still is.
    2. Curt, really, has to take an occasional baby step off of the Holy Trinity plantation, if he cares about truth, which, it seems he probably doesn't.

    I'm with OD all the way on this one.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 8:00 am
    Apparently HtS and OD cannot answer the questions I asked above.

    Anybody care to try?

    Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is the victim. What benefit for all their suffering does Ukraine get out of Trump's "peace plan"? What price does Russia pay?


  9. by oldedude on April 24, 2025 9:54 am
    I'm not answering because it's an inane question at this step in the process.

    I've said that several times now. WTF do you want them to do? Again, clearly, you have never negotiated anything in your life. NO ONE expected Ukraine to take the first offer. That was known when they both half-heartedly said they would negotiate. Vlad put everything he wanted and the kitchen sink. Ukraine pissed on the offer. Like you said, there is no real value to Ukraine except to stop having their people killed. I agree Russia is the protagonist in this. In war negotiations, that's immaterial. The point is what land that russia has taken will be okay with Ukraine? If nothing, this is going to be a long year for both armies, and my guess it will last into the winter.



  10. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 10:57 am
    It's an inane "peace plan". So much for "Art of Deal". It would have been better if Trump did nothing rather than favoring Putin. He scolds Zelenskyy for not observing the White House suit and tie dress code (which doesn't apply to El Salvador's president or Elon Musk). He blames Zelenskyy for not accepting the "peace plan".

    Trump's plan explicitly blocks Ukraine from ever joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Why? The only explanation is that is a favor to Putin. For the first time America recognizes Russian ownership of Crimea, another favor to Putin.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2025 11:07 am

    "Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is the victim. What benefit for all their suffering does Ukraine get out of Trump's "peace plan"? What price does Russia pay?"

    From the beginning, ole pb has noted that your "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" essentially opened the door for Putin to invade Ukraine. Putin invaded.

    Understanding that pb doesn't trust the reporting of your Holy Trinity, Ukraine benefits by having Russia's attacks end.

    Russia's price? I can't see any. pb predicts that, eventually, Putin will agree to stop fight...

    ... then he'll quietly build up his army and wait until Trump's gone. Then, attack again. But, make no mistake, the "dithering and diminished" Doddering Old Fool made all of this inevitable... as pb splained from the beginning.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 11:44 am
    "Russia's price? I can't see any." ---HtS

    Thank you. Now was that so hard? What sort of peace plan gives one side (the aggressor no less) all the advantages and none of the costs?


  13. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2025 12:02 pm

    The kind of peace plan that's the best that's available after your impotent and dithering Flatulent Fool spent three years essentially promising Vladimir Putin that the best he'd do for Ukraine is insure that it would lose, slowly...

    ... exactly as pb's been saying consistently since 02/22.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 12:17 pm
    As always, you are wrong on the facts, HtS.

    It was like pulling teeth for Biden to get Republicans in Congress to fund Ukraine's defense against the Russian aggressor. Congress controls the purse strings. Biden didn't send US troops there to fight the Russians, maybe that would have shortened the war. Since I am not looking for WWIII, I am glad Biden didn't.

    But even if Biden handled that war incorrectly, how does that let Trump off the hook?


  15. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2025 12:28 pm

    Ahhhhhhhh, nostalgia, eh? Good Germaning, once again, for the Flatulent Fool. Good times!

    And, I have no doubt that you believe yourself, but the Former Trucker had the opportunity to personally warn, h€ck, promise Vladimir that he, and the Congress he ran with no effective GOP resistance would make Russia pay a hefty price for crossing the border. Ole Joe merely, and weakly stammered and sputtered.

    The GOPs only had minor clout after January 023, when the fix was already in.

    Truth.

    Your guy only ever watched Ukraine lose slowly.


  16. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 12:49 pm
    So what's stopping Trump from making "Russia pay a hefty price"? Instead of what you agree is no cost to Russia?


  17. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2025 1:01 pm

    I suppose he's reluctant to risk WW3.


  18. by oldedude on April 24, 2025 2:16 pm
    But even if Biden handled that war incorrectly, how does that let Trump off the hook?
    On pedojoe's part. The first thing he should have done was to get off of Russia's payroll. If they were as limited as pedojoe "said" they were (it was a lie), Russia wouldn't be able to finance the war. That said.

    I think there are unrealistic expectations trumpster has of vlad. Case in point. As of 2 hours ago 2pm, (20250424).
    "US President Donald Trump said he is “not happy” after Russia launched its deadliest wave of attacks on Kyiv in nine months, telling President Vladimir Putin to “STOP!” as he attempts to push Ukraine to agree on a contentious ceasefire proposal.

    Moscow sent 70 missiles and 145 drones toward Ukraine, mainly targeting Kyiv, in an attack that leader Volodymyr Zelensky said was aimed at pressuring the United States."


    Vlad knows he needs to put the Ukrainians in a corner. Even after the graft and corruption that happened when pedojoe was in (on Ukrainains part). Zelensky is the more honest of the two. And we're talking about Vlad so Idi Amin seems like a choirboy.

    trumpster is used to businesspersons. Folks whose goal is to make money. You make deals with the devil in business. That's the game. This is politics. I've explained what each side desperately wants/demands/needs.

    My take on it? I would've let NATO/EU handle it and help the locals make a peace. The issue there is that the EU is on their knees to Vlad for oil. This is like getting a treaty between the IRA/PIRA and the Orangemen. They hate each other more than they like peace.

    Is there a way to do it? It's too late to section off Russia in trade, they're already dealing with the chinese for trade. We needed to keep our oil going to exceed our requirements (especially in LPG) and send that to europe. Again, given what trumpster had to work with, I would have helped NATO and the EU make that call.
    msn.com


  19. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 3:24 pm
    OD,
    Some your points make sense, those being the ones grounded in reality.

    WASHINGTON — President Trump said Thursday that Russian President Vladimir Putin has made one “pretty big concession” in Ukraine peace talks: “Stopping taking the whole country.”



    I am not convinced that Putin can take the entire country. There is a rule of thumb stating that an invading army needs a 10:1 manpower advantage to succeed. This ratio is often cited as a "minimum requirement" for defeating an insurgency.

    It's been three years since the invasion of eastern Ukraine and Russia hasn't been able to accomplish the complete overtaking of Ukraine yet. As of 2024, Russia occupies almost 20% of Ukraine and about 3 to 3.5 million Ukrainians are estimated to be living under occupation; since the invasion, the occupied territories lost roughly half of their population.

    Thank goodness Trump was not president during WWII, he would have let Germany keep France and anyplace they occupied.




    nypost.com


  20. by oldedude on April 24, 2025 4:42 pm
    Some your points make sense, those being the ones grounded in reality.

    So I'm really interested to see what the amateur thinks which points are not "grounded in reality"


  21. by Curt_Anderson on April 24, 2025 5:04 pm
    Your totally unsubstantiated claim that Biden was on Russia's payroll.


  22. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 12:44 am
    Bullshit.

    You mean that "just because he was guilty of $3.4 MIL of laundering money for an oligarch that pedojoe didn't put on the list specefically for so she could laundry money?

    Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine
    House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) today released a third bank records memorandum detailing new information obtained in the Committee’s investigation into the Biden family’s influence peddling schemes. The memorandum outlines how the Bidens and their business associates received millions from oligarchs in Russia,Italics


    US turns to new ways to punish Russian oligarchs for the war
    Andrew Adams, who heads the U.S. government’s KleptoCapture task force, designed to enforce the economic restrictions within the U.S. imposed on Russia and its billionaires, told The Associated Press that the group is prioritizing its efforts to identify those who help Russians evade sanctions and violate export controls.

    Except they forgot the one laundering money through pedojr🙄...
    Biden doesn’t sanction billionaire linked to Hunter — despite actions against prominent Russians
    President Biden kept his son Hunter’s alleged business associate Yelena Baturina off the list of new sanctions he announced Friday against prominent Russians to mark the first anniversary of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Biden’s administration touted in a press release that it adopted “more than 2,500 sanctions” so far to cripple Russia’s economy and halt the war, but Baturina again skated by as about 200 more people and entities were sanctioned Friday.



    Hunter Biden received $3.5 million wire transfer in 2014 from billionaire widow of Moscow mayor who was ousted over corruption allegationsReport was released Wednesday by two Republican-led Senate committees
    Says Hunter Biden received $3.5 million from Russian national Elena Baturina
    The funds were moved in a 2014 wire transfer citing a 'consultancy agreement'
    Baturina is the widow of former Moscow mayor Yuri Luzhkov, who died in 2019
    She is also the richest woman in Russia thanks to lucrative state contracts
    Luzhkov was removed from office in 2010 over corruption allegations

    oversight.house.gov
    apnews.com
    nypost.com
    dailymail.co.uk


  23. by Indy! on April 25, 2025 8:19 am

    Report was released Wednesday by two Republican-led Senate committees...

    ...who have almost as much credibility as Fox "News".


  24. by Ponderer on April 25, 2025 8:45 am

    "Hunter Biden received $3.5 million wire transfer in 2014 from billionaire widow of Moscow mayor who was ousted over corruption allegations" -olde dude


    Even if that was actually true, so what?

    Jarred Kushner got $2 billion handed directly to him by the Saudis for absolutely nothing other than being the former president's son-in-law, and you Trump-dick-sucking hypocrites never ruffled a feather! Your protestations about Hunter Biden (Still?????) are completely and utterly meaningless.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2025 8:56 am

    So, Jared's corruption justifies Hunter's?

    po, can you understand why people HatetheSwamp?


  26. by Ponderer on April 25, 2025 9:04 am

    I always love how flaming MAGA Hat projecting hypocrites like Hate and od always try to attack you for something they constantly do and have done for years.

    What else could one expect from flaming MAGA Hat hypocrites? But I do so always enjoy baiting them into parading their boundless, flaming hypocrisy before the forum.


  27. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2025 9:11 am

    Ole pb merely asked a question. He has no interest in defending Jared, nor did he.


  28. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 9:36 am
    I realize you don't understand enough about money laundering to consider it a crime. Baturina was specifically NOT named as a Russian oligarch, even though her and her husband were known to be in Putin's inner circle. These 45 CEOs and large shareholders of Russian firms all have gotten richer under Putin’s rule and, in turn, their power and wealth have been foundational to Putin’s kleptocracy and Russian inequality. The following acts make pedojoe complicit with the crime.

    In this case, Baturina needed money turned into USD to make it worth something. Rubles on the global market are worthless because no one can use them outside of Russia. She sends the money (for putin) to pedojr's shell company.[1][3] pedojr knows the money is from Baturina and that she is an oligarch of standing in Putin's government. As is typical, pedojr takes ~10% of the $3.4 MIL for his cut and proceeds to move it through a couple more shell companies to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity;[2]

    On pedojr's side, the 10% of the $3.4 MIL (~$340,000) is diverted into the Biden family funds, which make the receivers' culpable. pedojr keeps 10% of the 10% (~$34,000). Remember, Baturina was specifically exempted from the rest of the Oligarchs in Putin's circle. This makes it a specified unlawful activity,


    [1] 18 U.S. Code § 1956 (a)(1)(A)(i) or
    18 U.S. Code § 1956 (a)(1)(A)(ii)
    In this case there is a violation of both paragraphs. The law only requires one of these to violate this law

    [2] 18 U.S. Code § 1956(a)(1)(B)(i)

    [3] 18 U.S. Code § 1956(b)(1)(2)
    and 18 U.S. Code § 1956(c)(3)

    NOTE: 18 U.S. Code § 1956 - Laundering of monetary instruments.
    Money laundering per se is the crime. It can be legal money, and if it's laundered, it's a specified unlawful activity. If you sell your house and put several deposits totaling more than $10,000 to hide the money, you are structuring the funds to conceal the income (you're trying to avoid a Currency Transaction Report (CTR). That is specified unlawful activity and falls under 18 U.S. Code § 1956.
    law.cornell.edu
    fincen.gov
    irs.gov


  29. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 9:39 am
    The above post was for princess, po, and curt to curt's statement. These are already documented and supported by the laptop.

    po, if you have proof of that, I'm all ears.


  30. by Curt_Anderson on April 25, 2025 10:46 am
    To believe OD'd preposterous and unsubstantiated claim that Joe Biden was on Russia's payroll you have to believe any culpability by his adult son Hunter implicates Joe Biden...

    You have to believe every smear and allegation against Hunter Biden is true...

    You have to believe that that there is something amiss that...

    'Biden doesn’t sanction billionaire linked to Hunter — despite actions against prominent Russians. President Biden kept his son Hunter’s alleged business associate Yelena Baturina off the list of new sanctions".

    Of course you have to believe congressional Republican accusations that Hunter Biden was the recipient of $3.5 million from Yelena Baturina.

    And you have to believe that the fact checkers who looked into the matter all have it wrong...

    Fact check: Claims that Hunter Biden received $3.5M from Russia are unproven, lack context ---USA Today

    If we receive clear evidence in the future, we will revisit this, but at this time, proof that Hunter Biden received money through this transaction is unproven. ---Politifact

    Republicans Oversell Archer’s Testimony About Hunter and Joe Biden
    And as we said, according to Archer’s testimony, Hunter Biden did not receive $3.5 million from Baturina.
    ---FactCheck.org

    Trump falsely claims Joe Biden received $3.5 million from Russia
    Neither the Senate report nor Trump have provided any evidence that the payment was corrupt or that Hunter Biden committed any wrongdoing.
    ---CNN

    You also have to believe that the Republicans had evidence against Hunter or Joe Biden of a crime related to Baturina, but they declined to bring that evidence into a courtroom and have Hunter and/or Joe Biden charged with bribery.
    usatoday.com
    politifact.com
    factcheck.org
    cnn.com


  31. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2025 11:01 am

    "You have to believe every smear and allegation against Hunter Biden is true..."

    Noop


  32. by Curt_Anderson on April 25, 2025 11:10 am
    Which smear or allegation against Hunter Biden DON'T you believe, HtS?


  33. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2025 11:28 am

    Curt,

    There have been so many. Dozens, h€ck, hundreds... simply as a matter of mere probability, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" errant and depraved, drug-addled, stripper-impregnating son is unlikely to have been responsible for.

    He can’t have committed all the degenerate behavior of which he's suspected. Certainly, he's innocent of something,... don't you think?

    For cryin out loud! The man could only be one place at a time!


  34. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 11:50 am
    curt- you're so fucking pitifully naive. It's a great thing the nazis gave the jews showers when they showed up at the camps, right?

    EVERYTHING I have, I already gave you the fucking background. They were proved through the evidence on the computer, bank statements, and the tax evasion case pedojr had. Notice, THEY WERE EVIDENCE IN A FUCKING CASE.

    And your (snicker) "references" (snicker)are before your (snicker)"media" (snicker) "sources" had to ADMIT THEY LIED ABOUT THE COMPUTER AND THE BANK STATEMENTS. These are you "reference" dates in order 1-4. They're of no fucking use to you, me, or anyone else.
    Oct 2020
    Sep 2020
    Aug 2023
    Oct 2020

    What slays me is that you still believe the Steele Dossier is true.

    Here you are (in the middle) with your Auschwitz SS guards and female staff auxiliaries Nazi Hookers enjoying themselves on vacation in Solahütte. You all are just enjoying yourselves after the winter making sure the Jews, gays, and artists clean behind their ears. I doubt if you slept with the "women" because they weren't being raped.



  35. by Curt_Anderson on April 25, 2025 12:18 pm
    "The above post was for princess, po, and curt to curt's statement. These are already documented and supported by the laptop." ---HtS

    Do you have any actual evidence or credible testimony to prove that? That excludes claims by Trump, James Comer, Ron Johnson or Trump's other lackeys.

    Hunter Biden’s laptop does not contain significant evidence of direct interaction between Hunter Biden and Baturina, according to a review of emails that have been verified by experts working with The Washington Post as well as emails that the experts were unable to verify.

    Her name, for instance, appears as a possible guest for a 2015 dinner that then-Vice President Biden briefly visited, according to our reporting, but it’s unclear if she attended.

    There’s also no sign of a $3.5 million payment in Hunter Biden’s reported income for 2014, the year of the wire transfer.


    washingtonpost.com


  36. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2025 12:22 pm

    "The above post was for princess, po, and curt to curt's statement. These are already documented and supported by the laptop." ---HtS

    That wasn't from pb.

    Still Good Germaning "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" and his family.

    Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da!


  37. by meagain on April 25, 2025 7:03 pm


    OD could have been the model for the "bosun."

    "I have said it once, I have said it twice.
    What I say three times is true."


  38. by Indy! on April 25, 2025 7:42 pm

    by oldedude on April 25, 2025 9:39 am
    The above post was for princess, po, and curt to curt's statement. These are already documented and supported by the laptop.



    Funny... 🤔 Just the other day OD claimed he never calls me names anymore.

    Also funny... 🤔 In the same thread he also claimed he doesn't lie.


  39. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 7:44 pm
    Actually I said I didn't. Until you did the same to me. Your fault.


  40. by Indy! on April 25, 2025 7:45 pm

    Of course you did. 🤪


  41. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 8:12 pm
    What I say three times is true."

    That's a liar's sign. My point is the truth is the truth. "opinion is Opinion. There's a vast difference between the two. Although I understand the logic in propaganda.

    princess, if you have a problem with that name, you need to unfuck yourself and not do it yourself. EOS.


  42. by oldedude on April 25, 2025 8:14 pm
    Wrongagain. did you mean Boatswain? because there's no word with what you used.


  43. by meagain on April 26, 2025 4:24 pm
    You are not very well read, are you? Bosun is how it is spelt in everything but formal prose. Also, it is from the Edward Lear poem, "The Jabberwocky". "The Walrus and the Carpenter" is another.

    Lear's most famous nonsense poem. You would like Lear. He writes of people like you.


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