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A natural-born woman explains why "No male can be a woman"
By ROB3RT
April 13, 2025 11:40 pm
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As best I can tell, there are about eight people who regularly post messages in this forum, and I suspect half are slightly-aging left-of-center heterosexual males. Like most men, we can be a little clueless about women's concerns. We want to do the right thing and support the right causes, because we're generally good people. We have good intentions, but sometimes we miss the mark.

There have been a lot of conversations in this forum over the past year on transgender issues, whether male bodies have a place in women's spaces (sports teams, prisons, restrooms, etc.).

Here's what bothers me -- There aren't any women's voices in these conversations. Unless I'm mistaken, almost everybody in this forum was born male and speaks from a typically male perspective. Even those who claim to identify as women don't necessarily sound like women. When we're discussing changes that will mostly impact natural-born women, shouldn't we consider their perspectives?

So when I ran across this Quora post, I thought I would share it with the rest of you. There's no sneering contempt, like you might hear from right-wing activists. Instead, this is the voice of a woman who explains what it means to be a woman, the struggles and fears she and other of her sex have endured, and why women need spaces apart from men (especially those men who identify as female).


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It is a biological fact that half of the humans on the planet are female, we have female reproductive systems and female bodies, which are different in many ways from male bodies.

Because we share a body type, we have many experiences in common that no man will ever have.

Because of our shared body type, we are weaker and vulnerable to males, who are stronger and more aggressive. We need spaces apart from men when we are in situations when we may be particularly vulnerable or not fully clothed, e.g. toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards and prisons. We need sports apart from men, as we cannot fairly compete with their stronger bodies.

We are entitled to a word that describes us a group -- that word is "woman".

American women, Chinese women, Afghan women, black women, white women, rich women, poor women -- we may all have very different lives, but we all share our biology. We are all women.

No male can be a woman. Women and transwomen have no more in common than women and men. The idea that a man can be a women because he has a "female mind" is offensive and sexist. Women can have any kind of mind, but only one kind of body.

There is a very moving video here made by a group of Irish women, about how the lives of real women in Ireland have been affected by their biology, and why the word "woman" is so important to them.

Transwomen should be able to live their lives in peace and without discrimination or harassment. But they are all males, and should stop claiming the word "woman" -- it is not their word.


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Comments on "A natural-born woman explains why "No male can be a woman"":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on April 14, 2025 4:29 am

    "Even those who claim to identify as women don't necessarily sound like women."

    For months now, I've been thinking about starting a thread which makes the point that our poster, Ponderer, is a classic angry white, GET OF MY LAWN, man, if ever there was one. Can you ever begin to imagine any 60s-ish female posting what po enters on SS!!!!!?

    And, thanks for the quora post. It was well written and powerful.


    I want to add, because I know that I don't always come across this way on SS,...

    ... while I am viciously and angrily opposed to the politics of the TQ, uh, "mafia," I'm sympathetic to the struggles and suffering of people who suffer from gender dysphoria... and, even autogynephilia.

    IMO, their politics makes them victims. And, as GAG and other anti-TQ pro-LGB groups and activists attain political power, the TQs will lose political power.


  2. by Ponderer on April 14, 2025 5:40 am

    Rob3rt, I don't know if you ever noticed this, but neither Donna nor I have ever once in all our years on this forum ever referred to ourselves as women. We have always referred to ourselves as trans women or transgender women.

    Neither Donna nor I have ever supported trans women competing in sports against cis women. We are a minority in our community about that, but we are adamant about it.

    There are extremists in any grouping of human beings. Right, left, conservative, liberal, gay, straight, even in the trans community itself. We do not conform to the most extreme notions of our minority. We believe that the trans women in women's sports is an issue that should be addressed specifically. You know, without taking away the civil rights of our entire minority and making us third or fourth class citizens and making us targets for future Brown Shirts.


    Jesus Fucking Christ. I certainly never expected to retire as a member of a tiny, despised minority in a fascist regime bent on my "eradication".


  3. by HatetheSwamp on April 14, 2025 5:49 am

    "I don't know if you ever noticed this, but neither Donna nor I have ever once in all our years on this forum ever referred to ourselves as women."

    Bullfernerner!

    What matters is that you EFFINdemand the "right" to walk unfettered in women's biffies.


  4. by oldedude on April 14, 2025 5:49 am
    Robert- Interesting lead post. and one to keep in mind.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 14, 2025 5:59 am

    And, po,

    "Jesus Fucking Christ. I certainly never expected to retire as a member of a tiny, despised minority in a fascist regime bent on my "eradication"."

    As far as I can tell, you're not despised. Your politics are. More and more by the day.

    The rise of GAG, and the many thousands of LGBs who have responded to its message... that TQs need to stop harassing tomboys and girly boys puts your political cause in increasing danger.

    And,... biological women are demanding safe spaces. They're winning that fight. And, you're losing.



  6. by meagain on April 14, 2025 7:17 am
    This is not something I would express an opinion on. I don't have one and I have no education in disciplines that would allow me to form one.

    However, for the purposes of the discussion, the link is to an argument that says Trans athletes should be allowed to participate in women's sports. The source is credible.
    bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu


  7. by Indy! on April 14, 2025 9:23 am

    Read about half of your source, Meagain - it's utter trash. Volleyball is the perhaps the one sport where women CAN compete on the same level as men. There is no physical contact, there is no long field to run, there is no extraordinary power need to send the ball back over the net... dexterity, footwork, practice and determination are all that is needed to be a champion volleyball player. The rest of it reads like a transgender activist's manifesto.


    So far as the original OP, I think the obvious answer is create a third category for transgender athletes. Transgender women athletes are so obviously not on the same scale as women anywhere that a male physique makes a difference (iow, not volleyball, billiards, pub darts, etc...)


  8. by Indy! on April 14, 2025 9:25 am

    Forgot... PB needs to watch the video linked in Roberts reddit post.


  9. by oldedude on April 14, 2025 7:52 pm
    And there is approval from the women in the site.


  10. by ROB3RT on April 15, 2025 8:28 pm

    meagain:

    I too scanned the story at the end of your link. It's clearly written by someone ignorant of both biology and sports.

    Male puberty confers a variety of irreversible benefits far more physically beneficial than female puberty. This includes greater strength, flexibility, speed, bone density, muscle mass, heart size, windpipe diameter, and on and on. None of these advantages can be erased by a male taking female hormones for a couple years. There is still a huge gap, which probably explains why William Thomas was a good but unremarkable male swimmer, but Lia Thomas was a champion in the women's category.

    We've heard quite a bit about male-to-female trans athletes destroying their female competitors. If differences between male and female bodies didn't matter, shouldn't we see a similar number of female-to-male athletes dominating their male counterparts? But that's not happening.

    If you don't think physical male-female differences matter, let me ask you: Why do we need a WNBA? Why can't the women simply try out for NBA teams? What do you think would happen? I'm guessing not a single NBA player would lose his job. And how come there are no female players in Major League Baseball, the NFL, NHL, Champions League?

    Or consider two of the best and strongest female tennis players of all time, Venus and Serena Williams. Back in 1998, they boasted that they could beat any male player ranked under 200. So they played Karsten Braasch, then ranked 203rd in the world in men's tennis. Braasch played a set against each sister, winning 6-1 against Serena and 6-2 against Venus.

    Consider that -- The two top female players in the world were soundly defeated by a male ranked 203rd. Doesn't that say quite a bit about the differences between male and female bodies?


  11. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2025 7:10 am

    Rob3rt,

    meagain is a willing prisoner of the preferences and prejudices he brings with him to every moment of his life. And, if that requires him to deny science? What the h€ck!!!!!


  12. by Indy! on April 16, 2025 8:40 am

    There actually was a women hockey player for a very short time - the Tampa Bay Lightning brought her into camp to try out for a back-up goalie position. It was more of a marketing thing than her actually playing. If memory serves she didn't even make it out of training camp. I met her while doing my sports pub - she was the back-up goalie on a minor league roller hockey team we covered one night. You want to see some crazy hockey - check out roller hockey. It's played on the concrete that lies under the ice in a regular hockey rink - it's 4 on 4 the entire game.


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