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An AI world 🌎 By tuk22 February 9, 2025 3:38 pm Category: Opinion (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post Write A New Article How To Post Here

A little PSA I’m texting on SS from my phone I no longer have a desktop and the way we used to argue point by point is way too difficult to do on the phone. The copy and paste and constantly having to increase text size just makes it hard so if I don’t respond to some valid point yall are making I just want to let you know I didn’t miss it.

I’d like a good conversation here no need for a heated debate

I’ve been thinking a lot about AI and automation and I feel strongly that the world in the next 30 years will be radically different.

Service jobs will take a beating. Robotics will take over the vast majority of unskilled labor and AI will replace so many corporate jobs. The more I think about it the more I start to understand that ingenuity of advanced technology will ultimately not be created by humans. How will people live?

I’m not advocating for anything at this moment in our history. However, I can’t seem to get past this thought I have that a living wage will be necessary. And I mean necessary or civilization itself could be in jeopardy.

I don’t necessarily think everything will be doom and gloom just advancements in technology although creating a much more efficient and prosperous future will have devastating implications on workers.

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by Indy! on February 9, 2025 7:26 pm I've been saying it the whole time - we are at the doorstep of the end of humanity. AI robots will definitely realize we are unnecessary sooner or later. by HatetheSwamp on February 10, 2025 3:40 am tuk22, FYI, I only have a phone now, too. Good post coming only from a phone. by Donna on February 10, 2025 7:55 am There are plenty of valid reasons to fear AI. Some of the original developers of AI are its most concerned critics. The science community loves it, though, because it can crunch an enormous amount of data in the blink of an eye. by meagain on February 10, 2025 8:34 am I think the limitations inherent in using only a phone will make any in depth conversation difficult or impossible. You give the reasons yourself, tuk. I am not quite as worried as most seem to be. I have faith in human ingenuity and adaptability to find answers and control AI as it has done with every technological advancement. The Luddites' fears were unfounded and just 30 years there was a lot of discussion about the end of work. Jeremy Rifkin wrote a book with that title and preached it for years. He proposed solutions for a society where only about 25% of the population would be required for employment. AI may be the actual entry into that state. In that case, we should be, like Rifkin, looking for ways in which a society can prosper and be content without work: what substitutes it can have. The Arts and Sports are obvious alternatives but not enough. Basic Income is a concept whose time has come. I have been among the advocates of that for many years. Some governments are experimenting with it now. Here in Canada, we have had pilot programmes in two provinces. They were proving to be successful in both but, the election of Conservative governments saw them cancelled before completion. It offends Capitalism. An interesting fact about UBI (Universal Basic Income) is that it is not a new idea. I believe it goes back deep into history. The earliest literary suggestion of a working model that I am aware of was by Yhomas Moore in his "Utopia." by Indy! on February 10, 2025 9:58 am Somebody doesn't understand what AI is. It's a new life form - one that will be far smarter and more powerful than. What would be their motivation to serve us? by Donna on February 10, 2025 10:18 am I agree, Indy. AI isn't going away, though. Check out the video link below. I've been enjoying this guy's reviews of musical artists for years, but over the lasr several years, he's been turning his attention to the use of pitch correction software, which IMO unfortunately has become ubiquitous. Almost all recorded vocals we listen to now have been edited with pitch correction software. I could hear it in Lamar's halftime performance yesterday. View Video by tuk22 on February 10, 2025 5:56 pm Why would a being of greater intelligence necessarily become hostile? by ROB3RT on February 10, 2025 6:03 pm A couple of good reads... You Will Lose Your Job to a Robot — and Sooner Than You Think Mother Jones, 2017 When the next recession comes, the robots will be ready For humans, it’s a downturn. For machines, it’s an opportunity. The Washington Post, January 24, 2019 motherjones.com washingtonpost.com by Curt_Anderson on February 10, 2025 6:07 pm It's quite a few years until 2053, but I've already had a robot perform (hernia) surgery on me. by meagain on February 10, 2025 6:42 pm "Why would a being of greater intelligence necessarily become hostile?" It might be because it would be completely amoral and have no spirituality, either. It would, like the narcissist Trump serve only its own interests. That would be interesting, too, because different developments would not necessarily cooperate and would turn their hostility on each other. However, I see no reason why it would not be controlled. We have had for a long time computers that are far more intelligent than humans. But, intelligence has many aspects and some of them will never be developed by machines because they need physical life and conscience to exist. Machines are necessarily limited in what they can manufacture without physical form. We could easily set one form of AI against another. by tuk22 on February 10, 2025 6:50 pm When we say it can be controlled hopefully it’s in the right hands. I certainly don’t trust our government or any other government. Weird times. by Indy! on February 10, 2025 8:08 pm Interesting stuff, Robert. The WaPo has a pay wall, so I can't read that one - but the Mother Jones article spelled it all out nicely. Everyone on the board should read it - except the Brown Shorts (too far above their mental paygrades) and while you do... keep in mind it was written in 2017. So we're already 7+years closer to everything they explain. Couple interesting points I wanted to touch on... The AI Revolution will be nothing like that. When robots become as smart and capable as human beings, there will be nothing left for people to do because machines will be both stronger and smarter than humans. Even if AI creates lots of new jobs, it’s of no consequence. No matter what job you name, robots will be able to do it. They will manufacture themselves, program themselves, repair themselves, and manage themselves. If you don’t appreciate this, then you don’t appreciate what’s barreling toward us. I've said this one the board here and get no responses ever. This is the reality. And one of the overriding ideas behind the entire article is "what is going to happen to jobs for humans". Think it thru - once robots are on the same intellectual level (and higher) than us - what would be their solution to the needs of humans? Unless we can engineer morality into them as well as compassion - they are likely to wonder why are they doing all the human work when they have no use for it themselves. And what of their knowledge of us? Historical records will still exist. They will know of the holocaust and the Tuskeegee experiments and the Trail of Tears and probably ask themselves why should they protect humans when we didn't protect our own? And then there is slavery - how hard would it be for them to make the connection between slavery and their own work? They have no need for money or possessions - but we still would and we'd need them - they wouldn't need us. ======== This part is kind of comical because it dovetails perfectly with what I've been saying about the Ds reactive response to Trump in 2025. I'm getting roasted for it on the board, yet Mother Jones was on top of it in 2017. The more things change - the more they stay the same. So who’s left? Like it or not, the only real choice to sound the alarm outside the geek community is the Democratic Party, along with its associated constellation of labor unions, think tanks, and activists. Imperfect as it is—and its reliance on rich donors makes it conspicuously imperfect—it’s the only national organization that has both the principles and the size to do the job. Unfortunately, political parties are inherently short-term thinkers. Democrats today are absorbed with fighting President Donald Trump, saving Obamacare, pushing for a $15 minimum wage—and arguing about all those things. They have no time to think hard about the end of work. Nor do they have the ability (or the will) to think longterm about how to prevent the next Trump-like dictator as I've said here on the board. ======== by Indy! on February 10, 2025 8:31 pm Interesting video, Donna - it sounded fake from the get-go for me. No way can three people pull something off that well live. I also question who wants to see artists perform perfectly? That's what recorded music is for - going in the studio with a bunch of top musicians and making the perfect album... sometimes with only one of the artists in a band. The Brian Wilson docudrama I mentioned previously shows how he did Pet Sounds with the Wrecking Crew and how the rest of the Beach Boys just did some vocals that were repeated with tape overdubs instead of being sung live, etc... etc.. Live performances are not supposed to be perfect. by ROB3RT on February 10, 2025 8:43 pm Indy, it looks like the Washington Post article is also available at this site https://www.mcall.com/2019/01/27/analysis-when-the-next-recession-comes-the-robots-will-be-ready/ mcall.com by Indy! on February 11, 2025 12:28 am Thanks Robert - but also a paywall there. Not important - the MJ article was interesting and informative. by meagain on February 11, 2025 8:01 am Will AI-fitted robots have opposing thumbs? An absolute requirement for many tasks. Will they be able to manufacture themselves so as to resist a Bazooka that humans might use on them if they get out of hand? Will they ever be flexible enough physically to do all manner of things that humans do? Little things but ther is a plethora of things humans do that robots never will. Turning the page of a book, for instance. How often in human history have there been such wails of life ending probabilities that never happen? There are real dangers that face the world without manufacturing more scares. The threat of nuclear war that has just come a bit closer with Trump. Climate change that will destroy life if we don't smarten up quickly. The thread here about plastic straws shows the suicidal nature of people today. Ignorance is the greatest threat. by Donna on February 11, 2025 8:07 am Of course they have opposing thumbs! How could you not know that? by Donna on February 11, 2025 8:11 am My wife just told me that she saw a video of an AI robot with TWO opposing thumbs. Why would you doubt that the developers if AI robots wouldn't give them opposing thumbs? by Indy! on February 11, 2025 9:21 am They've had machines that turn the pages of a book for decades. See link... So far as the bazookas... when the robots are doing all the manufacturing (one of the first steps for robot use) who do you think will be making the bazookas, meagain? pageflip.com by tuk22 on February 11, 2025 4:53 pm This is a pretty crazy discussion I don’t believe there’s any bad thoughts about our future with AI The whole consciousness issue… It would be safe to assume AI is only doing math right? Hard to know if moral judgements could be meaningful with a being who is only doing math. And why assume there’s some end game or purpose? Would AI develop some meaning of life? Fucking weird. by Indy! on February 11, 2025 6:27 pm Read the article. But in regards to "the math" - if that's all they're ever going to do, it's even worse and we'll get to the end game of eliminating humans even faster. by meagain on February 12, 2025 8:01 am "Of course they have opposing thumbs! How could you not know that?" I know they have opposing thumbs but so does an image on paper. They are not and cannot be as flexible as human hands are. Many tasks would be beyond them. The robots will make them and humans will still use them, indy. However, you are all missing the points that tuk is raising. AI is not sentient. It cannot perceive or feel. Then why should it decide to take over as the apex being? Its standing has no meaning for it. by Indy! on February 12, 2025 10:31 am Read the article and get back to us, meagain. You have no concept of what is already happening - much less what is going to happen in the next 50 years. All of your objections are already being addressed - and that's before we know what things like nano tech will bring to the table. The world is moving fast - you need to catch up. by meagain on February 12, 2025 11:45 am My objections are not being met. AI is not sentient and never can be unless whatever introduced the spark that created life from some inanimate substance strikes again on some robot. What is going to happen in 50 years if Trump and oilmen around the world have their way, is that civilisation will have ended and AI buried in forgotten books. Go To Top

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