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September 14, 2021 7:05 am
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"Elective procedures these days are things like preventive screenings, which are really important things," Shah said. "Or a hip replacement for somebody who has been grappling with longstanding arthritis. And in many of these instances, when that care is delayed, it can often be denied outright because after time goes on so far the condition can become so much more exacerbated as to make even the surgical procedure not something that's curative. So what that says about the pandemic is we're entering or are in a deeply concerning phase right now. The delta variant is particular is giving us all a run for our money."

This is why, Shah said, unvaccinated people who say, "Well, I haven't been vaccinated, but that's my business and not your business. And my decision not to get vaccinated, well, that doesn't harm you. That doesn't affect you in any way. It's my choice and it doesn't impact you at all." Shah said that's not true because Maine hospitals are "filled with people who are being treated for COVID who are not vaccinated." *

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on September 14, 2021 8:48 am
    Islander, you may not have seen what I posted last month about my friend's personal experience that is very relevant to your post. Check out the link below and find out why his brain surgery is being delayed.

    Incidentally contrary to your advice to HtS about picking and choosing which articles to read here I strongly recommend that everybody read each and every page of SelectSmart.com. I do stop short of calling for it to be mandated.
    selectsmart.com


  2. by HatetheSwamp on September 14, 2021 12:06 pm

    Yeah, that dang Bill of Rights!


  3. by Curt_Anderson on September 14, 2021 1:27 pm
    HtS,
    I'll bite. What does this have to do with the Bill of Rights?


  4. by Curt_Anderson on September 14, 2021 9:03 pm
    Heart patient dies after he can’t find bed at 43 hospitals; family pleads for people to take COVID-19 vaccines.
    oregonlive.com


  5. by Donna on September 14, 2021 9:53 pm
    “Basically, half of our ICU beds are now filled with COVID patients,” Williamson said.

    Alabama on Monday had 2,474 COVID-19 patients in state hospitals of which 86% were unvaccinated, according to the Alabama Hospital Association.





  6. by islander on September 15, 2021 5:13 am

    "Incidentally contrary to your advice to HtS about picking and choosing which articles to read here I strongly recommend that everybody read each and every page of SelectSmart.com. I do stop short of calling for it to be mandated"

    "Whew" !! I thought I might have to bring up The Bill Of Rights if you were to mandate reading all the posts. Actually, I do read most of them but there are "some" that I only start to read and then skip on to the next one!


  7. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2021 8:55 am

    This is why, Shah said, unvaccinated people who say, "Well, I haven't been vaccinated, but that's my business and not your business. And my decision not to get vaccinated, well, that doesn't harm you. That doesn't affect you in any way.

    I don't know where you vax fascists get your information.

    I don't recall ever knowing of an unvaxxed person thinking in terms of what's your "business." This article strikes me as a phobic reaction to whom you blindly imagine the vaccine hesitant to be, heavily filtered through your TDS.

    The truth is that a large portion of the unvaxxed are people of color who, based in a ton of history, fear the intrusion of government in their lives. CNN just recently did a series on the people of a rural area of Missouri. Those people are predominantly white. These are people who'd be described as rednecks and probably would wear that label willingly. Very few of the people CNN reported on are vaxxed.

    Both groups of people are unvaxxed and for the same reasons: distrust of, cynicism about and fear of government intrusion into their lives.

    Based on what I know to be true there are understandable reasons for both groups of people to have a negative view of government.

    It strikes me that Joe's approach, i.e., attempting to brutalize people into being vaxxed is demented and will be incredibly counterproductive.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on September 15, 2021 9:34 am
    HtS,
    I don't recall ever knowing of a habitual drunk driver thinking in terms of it's not your business. The point is that selfish people don't think about how their decisions impacts the lives, health and safety of others.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2021 9:45 am

    You should take that "business" thing up with isle. He endorsed the quote by entering it here.

    I honestly think that the distrust people of color have for the government is legitimately rooted in generations of experience. You can think of them as selfish if you need to, but Donna probably will call you are a racist. Bahahahaha!


  10. by Donna on September 15, 2021 11:21 am
    People who are afraid of getting vaccinated because they don't trust the government seem to be in unaware that the government didn't develop the vaccines.


  11. by islander on September 15, 2021 12:38 pm

    ” I don't recall ever knowing of an unvaxxed person thinking in terms of what's your "business." This article strikes me as a phobic reaction to whom you blindly imagine the vaccine hesitant to be, heavily filtered through your TDS.” ---Hate

    I guess you don’t really know that many people Hate, or you’re pretending you never heard that argument. It generally goes something like this. “My medical and health choices are PRIVATE! It’s my body and what I put into it or don’t is up to me and me alone. if I don’t want to get vaccinated it is my right. If you want to get vaccinated, fine, but what I do is none of your business and you can simply stay away from me.

    I’m arguing with my nephew over this and this is a quote from him justifying why whether or not he gets a shot is none of anyone's business,

    ” "This is a private medical decision, and whether or not I get the (thing) is private medical information which I will not share with you. This is a boundary issue, and it is 100% appropriate that I assert healthy boundaries around medical privacy”



  12. by islander on September 15, 2021 12:56 pm

    Hate, I'm sure you have convinced yourself that the antivaxxers are not really antivaxxers but rather they all just Vaccine hesitant. Whether you really don't know and/or have never heard of any sntivaxxers is hard for me to believe.
    image.shutterstock.com


  13. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2021 1:36 pm

    Your nephew is, of course, correct. If he's not a minor, he medical choices are his own. If he is a minor, his medical choices certainly are not yours.

    How could you even begin to think otherwise?

    I'll repeat what I've written. The greatest number of the vaccine hesitant are people of minority communities who are are skeptical about medical treatments offered by the government and for good reason.

    Certainly, a few are like your nephew and while I personally, wish he'd act differently, his choice ain't any more mine than it is yours.


  14. by islander on September 15, 2021 3:44 pm

    ”I don't recall ever knowing of an unvaxxed person thinking in terms of what's your "business." This article strikes me as a phobic reaction to whom you blindly imagine the vaccine hesitant to be, heavily filtered through your TDS.” --- Hate

    So, Hate, do you still stand by that statement?

    When your medical choice harms other people it is no longer nobody’s business but your own. Read Dr. Shah’s full statement and Curt’s description of his friend who needed brain surgery and then you might have a better understanding of all of this.

    Oh! And contrary to what you claim, the majority of the unvaccinated are not blacks or other minorities. The majority are white.



  15. by Curt_Anderson on September 15, 2021 3:48 pm
    "I don't recall ever knowing of an unvaxxed person thinking in terms of what's your "business." --HtS



    "Certainly, a few are like your nephew and while I personally, wish he'd act differently, his choice ain't any more [my business] than it is yours." --HtS


  16. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2021 4:05 pm

    Now I know of one...if isle, with his boundaries issues is to believed.


  17. by islander on September 15, 2021 4:23 pm

    I think this little picture is worth a thousand words !!!
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  18. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2021 4:49 pm

    That's with the cheating counted.


  19. by Donna on September 16, 2021 9:30 am
    So that's where the Trumplican Party is at now - whenever a Democrat wins an election, it's automatically the result of cheating. No evidence needed.

    None of those people seem to understand how ridiculous that is.


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