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Nancy Mace: “I’m not going to stand for a man, someone with a penis in the women’s locker room — that’s not OK,”

By HatetheSwamp
November 20, 2024 3:46 am
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“I know how vulnerable women and girls are in private spaces so I’m absolutely 100% going to stand in the way of any man who wants to be in a women’s restroom, in our locker rooms, in our changing rooms. I will be there fighting every step of the way.”

It comes after Mace unveiled a resolution Monday that would ban transgender women from using the female restrooms on Capitol Hill — drawing immediate criticism from McBride, who is set to be the first openly transgender member of Congress.

po, Donna, Indy,

You really disagree with Nancy Mace!!!!!?

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by Indy! on November 20, 2024 9:52 am

My position on restrooms has been the same since long before anyone knew what "transgender" meant... we should have unisex bathrooms like the civilized part of the world.

by Curt_Anderson on November 20, 2024 2:51 pm
We have unisex bathrooms in our own home!

Anyway if there really were a problem of public indecency or women being assaulted in the congressional ladies' restroom why not wait until it is attempted. There would be short suspect list.

by Indy! on November 20, 2024 4:20 pm

Curt:
Anyway if there really were a problem of public indecency or women being assaulted in the congressional ladies' restroom why not wait until it is attempted. There would be short suspect list...

...starting with the incoming president.

by oldedude on November 20, 2024 5:02 pm
Donna- I've tried looking this up and still can't find it. Yes, I've also been driving for two days. Regarding McBride. Has she transitioned at this point. If yes, Mace needs to STFU and just do what she's paid to do. If you could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

by HatetheSwamp on November 21, 2024 2:56 am

OD,

pb's not been able to find a definite answer to the question of whether or not Tim, AKA Sarah, McBride still has a penis. The fact that Mace's accusation that he does causes me to conclude that he does.

I've reached the point that I consider a self-proclaimed transie who's going through life in men's clothes and using women's restrooms and locker rooms to be an autogynephile and not genuinely trans, i.e., someone suffering from gender dysphoria.

IMO, biological women are profoundly justified in objecting to men suffering from autogynephilia being permitted into their safe spaces.

As I've made abundantly clear, I have compassion on people with gender dysphoria but I'm with Mace on the politics of the trans movement.

by oldedude on November 21, 2024 6:08 am
Unfortunately for those with gender dysphoria are being overlooked by the "self-identified" predators. This is a standard with "self-identified" anything. People will abuse the system. Is it bigger than what we think? smaller? Does it matter if the system is getting gamed and women are being raped by "self-identified" trans that's just gaming the system?

The predators are oddly supported by the trans community and their followers either by justifying the actions or dismissing them. I don't get it. These are the "people" that are completely obstructing those who truly have gender dysphoria and would be supported. And those taking a stance on this (GAG for example) are mocked and hated by the very people that should be supporting them. They're not anti-trans. They're anti-grooming, and anti-predator.

by HatetheSwamp on November 21, 2024 6:13 am

Preach it!

GAG is careful not to separate itself from all trans people. But, GAG would separate themselves from po and Donna, not because po and Donna are trans, but because they won't separate themselves from autogynephiles and groomers.

That's one po and Donna bad.

by Donna on November 21, 2024 9:11 am

"I've tried looking this up and still can't find it. Yes, I've also been driving for two days. Regarding McBride. Has she transitioned at this point. If yes, Mace needs to STFU and just do what she's paid to do. If you could answer this, I'd appreciate it." - olde dude

I guess you're asking if Ms. McBride has a penis. I don't know. How would that make a difference? No one sees anyone else's private parts.

What about transmen? Wouldn't a transgender restroom ban have to also apply to transmen? How are women going to feel when very male-looking buff and bearded transmen walk into a women's restroom?

People like Mace are creating problems where there weren't any, and it's all being driven by hatred and cruelty, not any real safety issues.

by Donna on November 21, 2024 9:26 am

Btw, we had a lengthy conversation about this issue on this forum a while back, and I wrote some lengthy pieces addressing it. I explained, among many things, why transgender restroom bans are unworkable and unenforceable. If anyone here still has questions regarding this issue, I suggest digging up those posts from the archives.

by HatetheSwamp on November 21, 2024 10:10 am

I guess you're asking if Ms. McBride has a penis. I don't know. How would that make a difference? No one sees anyone else's private parts.

You're kidding. In a locker room?

And, Donna, the extent of your insensitivity toward a rape survivor, like Mace, is EFFINstunning!

by oldedude on November 21, 2024 12:05 pm
The locker room scenario isn't farfetched. That's exactly what the collegiate women's sports have been talking about.

Donna- I understand it's not a big deal to you. And to many women, it is. High School? Same thing. Gym class or sports in middle school? WTF happened to "my body, my choice"? If they want to show their body to another person, I don't care. I do care if they have no choice, unless it's not to play the sport.

Again, I'll go back to the predators that are using the system to get their jollies off or to sexually assault women, and the women don't have a voice in it.

What about transmen? Wouldn't a transgender restroom ban have to also apply to transmen? How are women going to feel when very male-looking buff and bearded transmen walk into a women's restroom?
Yessssssss...... Until the surgeries. Clearly. I don't see a difference.

People like Mace are creating problems where there weren't any, and it's all being driven by hatred and cruelty, not any real safety issues.

I know this escaped you, but that's exactly the reason I asked my question. And I said that. I was actually trying to fact find, instead of just flying off the handle and accusing anyone of all sorts of things that weren't true. If McBride has transitioned (which I'm thinking is true, but have no facts to back that up). If it IS true, McBride has 100% of my support.

by Ponderer on November 22, 2024 1:06 pm

I agree that pre-op transwomen shouldn't be allowed in women's locker rooms.

Women don't see other women's genitalia in restrooms, though, (nor do men if they use a stall) so unless there's a guard posted at public restrooms in federal buildings who make questionable entrants strip down naked before entering, there's no way to know for sure, ergo making it impossible to enforce such a law.

It doesn't sound like you guys have thought through this.

by Donna on November 22, 2024 1:06 pm

Mine ^

by HatetheSwamp on November 23, 2024 3:02 am

What I know is that my wife, for instance, would send you a $500 check in a heartbeat if you needed money but is appalled at the very thought of a biological male, no matter what surgery he's had, being in a public restroom with her. Nancy Mace, a rape survivor, has a similar opinion. As do tens of millions American women.

Enforcing such a law will be difficult. This is a matter of respect.

BTW, I'd have no trouble if po or you showed up at the sink when I'm in the Wal-Mart restroom.

BTW, I don't recall the autogynephilia thread. And I've searched for it. Can you send me a link?

by Donna on November 23, 2024 8:05 am

None of these rape survivors were raped by transwomen in public restrooms. These women just hate transwomen. That's all this is about.

by oldedude on November 23, 2024 9:38 am
Po- I've never heard of stalls in locker rooms (not that I've been in any). Nor have the women in collegiate sports. Or high school gym class. Or my wife. That has been the huge issue.

As I keep saying, rest rooms are a different issue (1. they have stalls, 2. unless you're flailing yourself around, no one actually sees what you have).

by Donna on November 23, 2024 11:01 am

"This is a matter of respect."

There's nothing disrespectful about a transwoman relieving herself in a women's restroom. This is a non-issue that's being blown way out of proportion for political purposes, including fund raising.

by HatetheSwamp on November 23, 2024 11:29 am

There's nothing disrespectful about a transwoman relieving herself in a women's restroom.

Many people strenuously and passionately disagree. You're being po-ish... assuming that you center the universe and that what seems right to you is, as Jane Austen said, "a truth universally acknowledged."

It doesn't work that way.

Tim McBride ain't peein in the lady's biff in the Capitol. Imagine that happening four... eight... years ago.

The times, they are achangin.

by oldedude on November 23, 2024 6:58 pm
There is an option that will never go in the US. I saw them at Bagram, which the Dutch were contracted to do their "privacy" facilities (read toilets and showers). These were phenomenal!

Here's the catch. They take up a LOT more room than typical US toilets. They are the cubicles po was talking about. For those who don't know, mens urinals are set 12-18" apart. In some cases there's a trough. In Europe, it's a wall that drains.

The flip side: each human being has their own cubicle. So depending on if it has a shower or not, the dimensions change. The theory is that each person can get into the toilets or showers equally. There is enough room to strip out of your really smelly uniform (etc) use the toilet, shower, dress again and walk out. Take the shower out if it's the toilet.

The issues for the Americans was consensual sex in the theater, which was a violation of "General order 1" and was prosecutable under the UCMJ. The Dutch, Brits, Ozzies, Kiwis, French, and most of the rest of the countries didn't much care, so they didn't charge. Including same-sex couples that were "caught." (interestingly enough, those with loose "consensual" rules had far less sexual assaults).

So there ARE ways to just fix this. It's out of the grasp of Americans. Literally, they think in black and white. The prison of two ideas as we've seen here.

by Indy! on November 24, 2024 6:20 pm
by Ponderer on November 22, 2024 1:06 pm

I agree that pre-op transwomen shouldn't be allowed in women's locker rooms.

Women don't see other women's genitalia in restrooms, though, (nor do men if they use a stall) so unless there's a guard posted at public restrooms in federal buildings who make questionable entrants strip down naked before entering, there's no way to know for sure, ergo making it impossible to enforce such a law.

It doesn't sound like you guys have thought through this.

Par for the GOP course.

by oldedude on November 24, 2024 8:07 pm
So I'm "assuming" that you have walked into women's locker rooms and none of the women cared. Okay, that confirms a lot about what I've said about you.

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 3:40 am

OD,

That's the point.

Women... real, not biological males with artificial babe parts... see this differently than the rest of the world.

Old-school feminists and the anti-TQ LGB movement are serious about this. Trump will listen to them.

by Indy! on November 25, 2024 9:05 am

Comical that the misogynists on the board think they speak for women. 😂

by Donna on November 25, 2024 9:25 am

The reeeeeeeally hypocritical thing about all of this is that Donald Trump is a convicted sexual predator, but all of the MAGA outrage is over transwomen who just want to take a shit in peace.

I'm glad that Sarah McBride, in contrast to Ms. Mace and the rest of the MAGA hypocrites, has shown so much class in response.

What I want to know why it means so much to Bill Sloat to share public restrooms with transwomen.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 9:31 am

...and why Nancy Mace thinks that women would feel safer with sharing public restrooms with these transmen.

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 9:36 am

"The reeeeeeeally hypocritical thing about all of this is that Donald Trump is a convicted sexual predator,..."

Wrong.

False.

100% untrue!

"What I want to know why it means so much to Bill Sloat to share public restrooms with transwomen."

It's true. If you show up at the sink beside me in the Wal-Mart restroom, I'd be 100 percent undaunted. Amused. In fact!

It's old-school feminists and anti-TQ LGBs who are in a tizzy. I, too, think that real women have a right to safe spaces...

... and, until your side proposes a practical solution to autogynephiles crowding into women's restrooms you don't stand a chance in h€ck of winning this battle.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 9:44 am

"It's old-school feminists and anti-TQ LGBs who are in a tizzy. I, too, think that real women have a right to safe spaces..." - Hate

It's amazing how inconsistent you Ms. Mace are on this issue. "Real women" would be no more safe sharing restrooms with transmen (which is what her "biological" rule would prescribe) as they would transwomen.

by Indy! on November 25, 2024 9:45 am

Unisex.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 9:50 am

The overwhelming majority of sexual assaults on women are committed by family members and friends, yet Nancy types like Bill Sloat are uptight about people like me (img src="/post/emoji/smilie8.gif">

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 9:51 am

Donna,

That is as may be. But, their feelings are genuine and passionate.

I know you say that we discussed autogynephilia here. I've searched. I can't find anything.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 9:54 am

The bottom line is that Mace's restroom ban is unenforceable. I hope that a bunch of burly tattooed transmen walk into the women's restroom at the Capitol building while Nancy Mace is in there.

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 10:03 am

Donna,

You are hateful and nasty!

In the Capitol, it's going to easily be enforceable with all the money they have for security...

...At Wal-Mart, it'd be enforceable... like enforcing shoplifting laws. If biological women make a deal of it.

I could be wrong about this, but, based on what I pick up from right-wing media, your side on this issue is losing ground at the speed of light.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 10:20 am

"In the Capitol, it's going to easily be enforceable with all the money they have for security..."

Explain to me how that would work without making anyone who isn't female-looking enough (which would include some genetic women) to drop trow. I predict that you won't be able to.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 10:29 am

How are transmen going to prove that they're genetically female before entering a women's restroom?

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 10:34 am

"Explain to me how that would work without making anyone who isn't female-looking enough (which would include some genetic women) to drop trow."

Drop trow? Sorry. I'm baffled.

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 10:37 am

Donna,

You are raising important practical issues. Still, the truth remains. Biological females desire, and deserve, private, safe spaces.

And, apparently, you don't give a d@ng about their needs.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 12:06 pm

Hts, I could just as easily be sexually assaulted in a women's restroom as any woman. And if I were forced to use the men's room, I'd be in a much more vulnerable situation.

Regardless of anything, I will continue to use gender-neutral or women's restrooms, whatever is available.

Indy, there's no way that the US will ever completely do away with gender-specific public restrooms. And as long as there are gender-soecific restrooms, transpeople will use them, and there isn't a damned thing that can stop that from happening.

This issue will eventually be forgotten, just like the Sharia Law scare that prompted uptight paranoid Americans to pass anti-Sharia Law laws.

by HatetheSwamp on November 25, 2024 12:29 pm

Hts, I could just as easily be sexually assaulted in a women's restroom as any woman. And if I were forced to use the men's room, I'd be in a much more vulnerable situation.

Perhaps.

Speaking for myself, if you or one of you lot stepped up to the sink beside me in the Wal-Mart restroom, I'd be fine... much, much more than my wife would be if you stepped up beside her.

The truth is that biological women are, more and more as time passes, making it abundantly clear that trans women are not welcome in their safe spaces. That's simple, undeniable fact.

I think that Indy is right that practical solutions are the answer. You are not a woman and, more and more, biological women are speaking up...

... as you well know.

I suspect that the biggest part of your problem, as I say repeatedly, is that many self-proclaimed trans women are autogynephiles, not gender dysphorics, whom you don't denounce.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 12:37 pm

Not "perhaps" - I'm in an identical situation. And I step up to other women frequently when I wash my hands. I've even conversed with them, although 90% of the time, women just do their business and leave without speaking to anyone who may be there. Never got a sense they read me as anything but female.

by Donna on November 25, 2024 12:46 pm

Logic shoukd tell you that you can't tell by looking at a transwoman whether they're gender dysphoric, a gay man, a straight man, intersexed, or if they're into something else. Therefore it's a moot point. You're just grasping at straws.

by oldedude on November 25, 2024 5:39 pm
Donna- I'm still not changing what I said. Restrooms? don't care. Locker rooms, and open changing rooms? different story. Just so you still understand that. Just so you know, I'm the outlier in my friends and family here. They're extremely conservative, so I can at least hear both sides.

I think this is the main crux of the issue. These are core issues for both sides. THAT is a problem. No one is going to yield. kammy made this an issue. These stats give a telling story about her loss.

Overall, 65% of all Americans believe there are only two gender identities, while 34% disagree and say there are many gender identities.

But inside those numbers are sharp differences. Fully 90% of Republicans say there are just two genders, versus 66% of independents and 44% of Democrats who believe the same.

What’s more, 92% of white evangelical Christians, 71% of Black protestants, 69% of white Catholics and 66% of Latino Catholics believe there are only two genders, compared with 46% of those who don’t have a religious affiliation.

And by age, 69% of Silent Generation respondents and 68% of Baby Boomers say there are only two genders, versus 57% of younger respondents from Generation Z.

So when Lead and I talk about changing the main thrust of a compaign, we were dead on. Obviously, trumpster didn't win with 65%, so for some people there were other issues they were voting on also. It also starts explaining the turn of blacks, Latinos, and white Catholics against the dims. I think that's a fairly substantial number.
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by Indy! on November 25, 2024 6:11 pm

Unfortunately for your homophobic friends, the idea is not to make the majority comfortable - it's to make sure everyone gets the same fair treatment.

by HatetheSwamp on November 26, 2024 3:45 am

"Obviously, trumpster didn't win with 65%..."

Thanks for the data in your post.

But, dang! Trump didn't get 65% but what he did get was nearly all voters who were not already died in the wool.

Curt, especially, made light of it but Kammy may have killed her chances when those protesters said, "Jesus is Lord," and she quipped, "You guys are at the wrong rally."

by Donna on November 26, 2024 8:59 am

Thank you, olde dude. I appreciate your level-headedness on this issue.

If people were more educated on gender science, they would know that it's more complicated. What about intersexed and asexual people? They really exist. And it's not as simple as xx abd xy when were talking about sex chromosomes. Actually there are over 20 variations. Most people have no idea.

It's the cruelty from ignorant people that concerns me more than anything, though. Cruelty against minorities is one of the hallmarks of fascism. I feel despised. I've never felt that before, not even when I transitioned 26 years ago. I don't recognize my country anymore.

by HatetheSwamp on November 26, 2024 10:06 am

Donna,

I'm certain that you are expressing your own feelings accurately. Still, as I said on FB, you don't give a d@mn about the fears and anxieties of, in the case Nancy Mace, a survivor of rape. All you can say about her is that Tim McBride is prettier than she and that Mace is a bully.

Honestly, Donna. Your attitude is making your situation worse...

... and, you are a minute minority. Keep this up and you absolutely will be crushed by the majority.

by Donna on November 26, 2024 11:15 am

I don't give a damn about the hateful classless bully that is Nancy Mace. She's been going out of her way calling Sarah McBride a man, referring to her using her deadname, and calling her "mentally ill", employing thar term as invective. That's just plain rude and unprofessional. If Mace truly thinks that Sarah is "mentally ill", then she should have compassion for Sarah instead of unprovokingly and unmercifully attacking her.

Btw, I'm not buying your crocodile tears for transpeople.

by HatetheSwamp on November 26, 2024 11:23 am

Donna,

I've always been clear. I'm opposed only to trans politics.

As far as Mace is concerned, she is a rape "survivor" but it seems to me that her erratic behavior suggests that she still has some recovery ahead of her. That she'd be so belligerent about female safe spaces points to that.

That notwithstanding, she speaks for tens of millions.

by Indy! on November 27, 2024 10:26 am

This thread is also proof of what I said - that a minor issue can end up turning votes against the Ds. What are we talking about here? Transwomen in the Congressional bathrooms... this affects how many people? And yet we have this thread going for days on end.

by oldedude on November 27, 2024 6:39 pm
You're looking at "a" tree. Let's look at the "forest" for a sec. In Fairfax and Louden counties, VA. Woman have been raped (by the same guy) in women's restrooms in a high school.

The "issue" is not really "trans," it's those who say they're trans (like you "saying" I 'misgender' you) but are not. These are nothing but perps and groomers. The liberal school districts made serious errors here (as the courts found). 1. They did not report the rape and sexual assault to the police. (district policies told the schools not to, in order to protect the perp, which they considered a victim). 2. They did not report the rape to the parents (this should have been done immediately to provide a criminal rape kit, and given the true victim the usual assistance the state law is required to offer). 3. The district knew about the perp, and the perp was transferred to two other schools where he sexually assaulted more women. All the activity (1-3) were followed with each transfer.

You've done nothing but support the perps. Even as a woman, you should support the woman. Any reasonable human being would support the victim. You're in the deep south in the 1960's "she wore a short skirt so she 'deserved' it). If you had a logical defense, now would be the time.

by oldedude on November 27, 2024 6:58 pm
It's the cruelty from ignorant people that concerns me more than anything, though. Cruelty against minorities is one of the hallmarks of fascism. I feel despised. I've never felt that before, not even when I transitioned 26 years ago.

This comes with a bunch of humility and being a parent and grandparent. Ok?
Your biggest adversary is actually the radical wing in your own party. Remember the political theory of relativity. I know that one is hard. From experience. My point is that things will soften with age. Pretty much like a red wine kept in a proper cellar for 10-20 years. It started to be "undrinkable" and ended up on the $300+/bottle table...

You and I disagree only on the methods. Not on the result. A "LGBTQ" I don't look at twice. They're human beings. I've been "talked to" about this and I refuse to relent. As a person that listened to MLKjr, sincerely, I took a step back a long time ago. Are they hurting me? Do I actually care what they do? The answer has always been "no". I look at your character. I'm disappointed that your character has changed. Above everyone here. I trusted you to provide a yin in our conversation (which is the piece that is often forgotten and very much needed). And you make a difference with that.
If you read all of this, Thank you.

by HatetheSwamp on November 28, 2024 4:30 am

From Donna:

"If people were more educated on gender science,..."

Here's a truth: The term "gender science" is a pure oxymoron. There is such a thing as Gender Myth.

The 024 election was, in one way, a landslide victory for raw biological science over woke myth.

The GOP side promoted reason, fact... SCIENCE,... while the Dems were all about they/them and, woke mythology and social progressivism.

To note that ain't hate speech. It's mere, pure, scientific truth.

by meagain on November 28, 2024 12:14 pm

"The 024 election was, in one way, a landslide victory for raw biological science over woke myth"

You are to use as delicate a term as I can think of; Nuts. The Republican Party is anti-science in every field of science except the science (or is it an art) of corruption.

Woke progressivism is what every decent, moral human being is.

by HatetheSwamp on November 28, 2024 1:13 pm

The Republican Party is anti-science in every field of science except the science (or is it an art) of corruption.

I think we'd all be blessed if you'd back that up with respectable links. It seems like woke quackery to me.

by meagain on November 29, 2024 1:56 pm

Here is a page of links for you. I did not think you would be so blinded by bias as not to know without "links."

https://www.google.com/search?q=republican+party+corruption&rlz=1C1AVFC_enCA789CA789&oq=republican+party+corruption&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRiPAjIHCAIQIRiPAtIBCTIyMTI3ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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by oldedude on November 29, 2024 2:36 pm
This is what the let has been saying about the dims. Pretty interesting.

How Democrats Became the Party of Monopoly and Corruption
This talks about the link between stocks, politicians, and lobbyists. Politicians awarding themselves obscene amounts of money. Agreed, politicians on both sides are guilty of taking money from lobbyists. When a foreign country, especially an enemy of the US is giving you money and you know it, THAT is a problem. Also using your knowledge in the stock market.

Corruption Scandals Are Piling Up for Democrats
This talks about recent individuals that have been caught up in corruption scandals.

Systematic Corruption In The Democratic Party
Before the 2016 election, the American people perceived the Republican Party in that manner, but throughout the past few years, the American people have been shown just how corrupt the Democratic Party actually is. The illusion of the democrats being the party of the people faded when Hillary Clinton gained the nomination over Bernie Sanders in 2016.
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observer.com
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