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Does anybody know if Olde Dude is in the path of Milton?
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I recall him saying he lives in the northern portion of Florida, but I don't recall the city, if he told us. I wonder if he has orders to evacuate.

Indy! lives closer to Miami which probably will get some rain at worst.

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  1. by Ponderer on October 9, 2024 5:39 am

    Been wondering about him of late too. How he's okay.


  2. by Indy! on October 9, 2024 11:13 am

    I'm in Fort Lauderdale. The way I remember it, OD said he lived just north of Tampa. He's a noob to Florida, so he probably evacuated. I can imagine him on the highway right now... stuck in traffic... cursing everybody around him... gas tank getting low...


  3. by Indy! on October 9, 2024 11:17 am

    BTW, if you're interested in seeing what's up - here's a link to the Sun-Sentinel (Ft. Laud's newspaper) that has a lot of different live feed webcams in the areas expected to get hit.


    sun-sentinel.com


  4. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2024 11:34 am
    You are probably correct about OD and his situation. If I moved 70 miles in five hours (like your family) I'd be swearing too. That's a brisk walking or jogging pace.

    It strikes me that the authorities' dire "you will die" warnings to evacuate are wrongheaded. It's true people may die, but it doesn't instill confidence to cry wolf.


  5. by meagain on October 9, 2024 12:39 pm
    They are not crying wolf, Curt. They are saying this and with good reason. The anticipated storm surge is said to be high enough to swallow a house.

    Florida meteorologist Noah Bergren: “This hurricane is nearing the mathematical limit of what Earth's atmosphere over this ocean water can produce.”

    "Helene" and Milton" have brought something new. What has oceanologists scared (their word) is the speed of the evolution of both. From Tropical storm to Cat 4 & 5 hurricane in less than two days. And the amount of water combined with the slower movement of hurricanes now because of their much wider bases (several hundred miles) means it will stay over the place of landfall longer and deposit far more water.


  6. by Indy! on October 9, 2024 2:37 pm

    What non-Floridians don't understand is how the weather people pump up the volume because this is their big moment to shine. Who watches the weather channel when there is no big event happening? Weather nerds. I'm not saying this is not a dangerous storm - it is. But some of the predictions I've heard are just wild-eyed Southern boys going over the top because everybody is finally watching them.


  7. by Donna on October 9, 2024 3:54 pm

    I'd evacuate. Why take a chance?


  8. by Indy! on October 9, 2024 4:27 pm

    How many reasons do you need?

    1. Where are you going? You have to leave at least a day early when there is no real consensus on where the storm is headed. You might drive away from safe land to the place it hits. Remember Katrina? It hit Texas and we thought we were safe - then it turned around and came right back and hit us.

    2. Do you have a place to go? Shelters are few and far between, fill up fast, don't allow pets and can turn into a hellscape if you have to stay there more than a day or so.

    3. You evacuate, your home does NOT get damaged, but the neighborhoods around you are in bad shape. The authorities won't let you back into your area due to the inherent danger of the other neighborhoods - leaving your home to looters and possibly experience more water damage from post storm rain.

    4. Traffic. As already noted, a friend of the family reported back they managed to get 70 miles in 5 hours. You could end up stranded in your car because the storm hits before you get out. Or you could run out of gas from sitting in traffic.

    5. A good portion of the area where the hurricane hits will NOT be destroyed to the point of being unlivable.

    6. Supplies. You might be on the road for 12 hours - you need food, water and gas for however many people are with you. If you have to stop to get something - you will probably be going to stores with empty shelves from other people who already stopped to do the same thing.

    7. Murphy's Law - what can go wrong, will go wrong.


  9. by Indy! on October 9, 2024 4:46 pm

    Looks like the eye might go right over my Dad's house.


  10. by Ponderer on October 9, 2024 5:08 pm

    We'll all be pulling for him, Indy!.



  11. by Indy! on October 10, 2024 10:23 am

    Still waiting on word from Dad, but it appears he was not hit too bad even though the eye almost went directly over him. The storm hit during low tide so the storm surge was nowhere near the Weather Channel prediction for his area. The rain also did not come anywhere near their predictions - Dad apparently got 1-2 inches yesterday. Apparently his power is out.


  12. by Donna on October 11, 2024 11:26 am

    I hope your dad is safe, Indy.

    Milton hit south of Tampa Bay, and because of that, the counterclockwise winds caused a reverse surge in the bay.

    Not sure why you're downplaying the strength of Milton and the damage it caused. From CNN:

    Deadly impact: At least 16 people have died in Milton’s path of destruction through Florida. First responders have rescued around 1,000 people as of Thursday night, and rescues are still underway as officials warn floodwaters in some areas have not receded yet.

    Destructive tornadoes and torrential rainfall: Milton produced a preliminary EF3 tornado in Palm Beach Gardens, with winds as high as 140 mph. The hurricane dropped more than 18 inches of rain on St. Petersburg, a more than a 1-in-1,000 year rainfall event for the area.



  13. by meagain on October 11, 2024 11:41 am
    I am surprised that Indy does downplay it. I always thought he had good sense. 230 people died from Helene. These Two may just be the end of any insurance for Floridians. The damages are too great.

    But the storms are only one part of the problem. If the US and a few others do not get serious very quickly, then you may as well write off any liveable future for your children. The only major country in the world that is actually putting the needed effort and money into it is China - in spite of the blame-shifting that goes on. The UK is not too far from it.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on October 11, 2024 1:53 pm
    Meagain,
    I said it was tantamount to crying wolf telling people in the Tampa Bay area "you will die". I still think the hurricane warnings are overblown. That's why longtime Florida residents like Indy! don't pack up any leave in a panic whenever a dire warning is issued.

    A dozen or so people did die as a result of Milton. Those deaths include people stepping on fallen electrical wires, heart attacks, etc. Half the deaths were in Port St. Lucie which is on the opposite side of the state from Tampa. Two people died in Pinellas county and one in Hillsborough county (both Tampa Bay area). In other words, a lot of people did NOT die who stayed in areas where people were told evacuate. People DID die in areas where there were no evacuation orders.

    Obviously, people have to consider their own situation. If you are in a mobile home park with water front property that's different and more dangerous than being in a solid house in an inland area.


  15. by Indy! on October 11, 2024 6:25 pm

    This is the aspect of hurricanes and the internet that's the most amusing - the people who have never even seen a hurricane trying to educate us Floridians on what we should do with ourselves when one hits.

    My dad is fine. No flooding, no damage to his home, power out for a couple days - end of story.

    Now - so far as "downplaying" anything (other than the Weather Channel's usual hurricane histrionics?) Show me what I said - I don't see it. I dismissed evacuations for most people - not all - I certainly stand by that as well.

    Curt's right - the people on the other side of the state died from a tornado the hurricane generated. You guys want to be scared of something? THAT'S what you worry about. People stepping on powerlines happens all the time - not to Floridians, because we know to stay inside after a hurricane comes thru.

    Meagain? I thought YOU had common sense. When a hurricane comes thru and causes a lot of damage - it's a GOOD THING for insurance companies, not a bad thing. Why? Because they get to raise their ridiculous rates again. And those 230 people who died from Helene? I guarantee most of them were hurricane rubes like you and Donna - no idea what to do in a storm because they rarely (if ever) enter that part of FL/GA.


  16. by Indy! on October 11, 2024 6:32 pm
    Curt:
    I said it was tantamount to crying wolf to telling people in the Tampa Bay area "you will die". I still think the hurricane warnings are overblown.

    Not only that, they were saying it long after it was too late to get out. You need to start the day before at the latest if you want to get out before the traffic. The problem is nobody really knows where the hurricane will hit that early.


  17. by oldedude on October 11, 2024 10:21 pm
    "indy" (an oxymoron... or maybe just a fucking moron). No, I haven't evac'd in the time I've lived here. I hope (as you've said many, many times) that you're out helping to clean up your fucking mess on the mihami coast (including the bull shark from the last hurricane).

    For the rest of the folks. No I didn't leave. We stayed with one grandkid because that family has three families in there and it was just too crowded while thinking it was only a CAT3, or maybe CAT2 (we were CAT3) and we had a 19 month old to get through the storm). We survived without much damage, using the mower curt scoffed at to move trees and partial trees (read the tops, and large sections) back to our burn areas. We kept our electric, and there are plenty of rivers here that are now flooding (which "indy" doesn't give a fuck about) that are still draining. We figured this because it's simple physics. Water goes to the lowest altitude. So we've taken in families and are generally trying to help where we can.

    On our coast. One of the barrier islands according the USCG simply "is non existent" now. That's pretty far south of us in Sarasota. We were on the North of the eye (had "indy" known the geography, he would have figured this out), so we got the wind and a lot of rain. We're up at a whole 69' elevation! (I used to live at 2 miles elevation). That's laughable to most folks, and in FL it's not horrible. The folks to south FL need the thoughts and prayers. Seriously. People lost everything. Period. full stop. People (including those with us, and with our "kids") won't have power for a week or so. This isn't a slam on the gov. It's been 2.5 days. My stepson does infrastructure damage evaluation. The stuff they do helps everyone.

    I also want to take a paragraph. The "right" coast (which is really the left coast in Fl) need a lot of your thoughts, money to Project Rubicon, Mercury One, and the other reliable organizations that do good for people. They got the tornadoes. Straight up, tornadoes suck. You can't sugar coat it. People die in large amounts and there's little you can do about it.

    Mercury One does a whole different thing than your usual group. They've been booted out by the FAA and are still operating because people need them. Virtually ALL their money go to operational costs. Why? because most of the folks in there are SPECOPS operators and speak the same language. This also means the folks that work with them pay for their own hotels, gas, etc. Think about that... ALL of their people are VOLUNTEERS to take time out of their lives, to help others.

    Project Rubicon is a tad higher in "admin" costs. but the ensure (to Union standards) that each person is certified to run equipment and rebuild. So they're not a rescue, but more of a recovery of Infrastructure and buildings.

    In essence, Mercury One will figure out a way in, Rubicon will get in and replace shit that give the max results.

    Then there's the Red Cross. Lots of good work, feeding and (at least) coordinating things on the ground. All these groups keep people alive.

    So if you're going to give. Give to one or two of the groups below. I shot these three $300 bucks, in different amounts to two groups. Mostly because I give to RCA a lot. The other two I've just started working with. If you actually care about clearing people off the roofs of dead buildings, and (no shit) saving/ rescuing people give to the other groups. These are skilled in this stuff. That's what they did for a living, and they're still willing to do this for free to people that need their help.

    My view? you don't give anything? you don't care about your own life. If you do care, shoot a Lincoln over to them. Look if that's what you can do, then that's okay. obviously if you shoot a jefferson or a grant to them, it's better. Some folks here I know it's a stretch for a lincoln. Others are well worth a grant or above. The truth is you get (when you need help) in what you've given in the past.

    glennbeck.com
    redcross.org
    mercuryone.org


  18. by oldedude on October 11, 2024 10:40 pm
    Meagain. Seriously, if the storm would have moved (literally) one degree, things would have been different. MY view. If it's a CAT 2, I'm not really worried about it. More? yes. CAT three is when the trees start crashing into your house, etc. Would I Evac? maybe. Here's a bunch of scenarios. Where is it on the tide. And the Moon? all these things make a difference. Am I "scared" of hurricanes? Maybe. I am actually responsible for other human beings. That is very different than indy. I can't just forget that. I know what my house will hold, anything more? it's dicey. Please read this first. It's kind of the preamble to just gutting out a CAT 5 for shits and giggles like indy pretends to do.

    And yes, we have an idea beforehand. "Exact?" no. but close enough to know how to roll the die.

    My point is that I have things he doesn't care or have a need to care about. A friend of mine had to bag corpses out of the old folks home in NOLA.
    That's something I don't want to be responsible for. If I'm RESPONSIBLE for others, then that's what I've been placed with, and that's what I do. indy has no "responsibility" to anything (because it doesn't think human beings are worth saving). That's a shame on humanity.

    I'm logging out for a bit. We're getting things together here. I was interested in this thread. Thank you all. Again, don't give your thoughts and prayers to me. Go south and into the tornadoes. I was serious when I said they sucked. Think about them, and WTF THEY'RE going through.

    thanks.


  19. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 1:15 am

    Glad you’re safe, OD.

    (Kinda). 😌


  20. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 3:26 am

    Good to hear from you OD! Glad you are safe.


  21. by Donna on October 12, 2024 7:45 am

    As global warming worsens, places like Florida will be impacted the most. That's why all of the major home insurance companies have stopped selling policies there.



  22. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 8:50 am

    All?

    I'd like a link to that, too.


  23. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 8:58 am

    I think what happened is some insurance companies have pulled their wind insurance (which - btw - is not required for homeowners). They did that after Hurricane Andrew and then a lot came back later.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 9:03 am

    Is Donna right that you can't insure your home with a reliable company?

    That doesn't seem to fit how capitalism works. And, I can't imagine all those New Yorkers and other blue staters would be flocking to Florida if they can't secure their property.

    Donna is into brainless woke myths. This seems like one of them.


  25. by Donna on October 12, 2024 9:39 am

    From the New York Times:

    In recent years, as the country’s largest insurance companies have fled the state, homeowners have been forced to take policies with smaller companies and the state’s nonprofit lender of last resort, the Citizens Property Insurance Corporation. This year, Mr. DeSantis warned that Citizens was “not solvent,” raising the prospect of further increases in insurance rates across the state and the political backlash that could ensue.

    Experts worry that a crisis in the state’s insurance market could have repercussions well beyond Florida. If insurers were unable to pay out insurance claims, and homeowners defaulted on their mortgages, Congress could face pressure to provide assistance. And if insurers saw large enough losses, premiums for homeowners in other parts of the country could go up in response, as the industry tries to shore up its financial position.

    Moody’s, the credit rating agency, said on Thursday that it would be weeks before insurers had reliable estimates of the damage caused by Milton, the third hurricane to make landfall in Florida this year. Hurricane Debby, in early August, caused an estimated $1.5 billion in damage, according to Moody’s. And Hurricane Helene, which made landfall in northwestern Florida on Sept. 26 and caused a storm surge along the west coast of the peninsula, is estimated to have caused $6 billion to $14 billion of damage, according to Moody’s.

    nytimes.com


  26. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 10:50 am

    Well - again - non-Floridians thinking they know something they don't. Citizen's was created in the wake of Andrew because some insurance companies pulled their wind insurance. The only reason that happened is because the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation is run by insurance company people (thanks GOP!) They ALLOWED those companies to pull their insurance without any penalties (like simply telling them "if you don't sell wind insurance in Florida - you don't sell any insurance in Florida" - BOOM, "problem" solved). But guess what? The state went a few years without any major storms and other companies filled the void - Citizen's was almost shut down at one point if memory serves.

    Either way, this is a "problem" that will take care of itself. Insurance is not a requirement to get thru life - in fact it's a pretty recent thing that we feel like we need insurance for everything (pets, phones, etc...) One of the reasons is simple - propaganda aka "advertising". Insurance companies advertise the crap out of their "products" - why? Because insurance is basically legalized theft. They rarely pay out and when they do? They simply raise their rates to cover it. So they have tons of disposable cash to conitnually remind you that you really "need" that car warranty or home appliance insurance (that rarely - if ever - pays off). That's one reason I never buy any insurance that is not required. Wind insurance - you might be surprised to find - is not required by the state of Florida. So if it gets too expensive (and for me - it already is) - you can just take your chances without it. I suspect that is what most will do when it just doesn't make financial sense anymore.


  27. by meagain on October 12, 2024 1:10 pm
    Insurance is not "legalised" theft, Indy. Rates are actuarially calculated to cover losses, expenses, and a modest profit. In recent years, property insurance has been a losing proposition in Florida. I think, btw. that some of the companies that still operate there exclude flood damage. They also do pay claims but they do require them to be proven since there is a tremendous amount of fraud in claims: or at best, exaggeration.

    That is the problem.


  28. by meagain on October 12, 2024 1:15 pm
    Good to hear you are OK. od.

    " We're up at a whole 69' elevation! (I used to live at 2 miles elevation)" Your ego did not drop with your elevation, though.

    Seriously, you should stop thinking of categories. Rain is now more important than wind with the flooding that accompanies it. And you will now get almost as much rain with a Cat1 as a Cat 5, even from a Tropical Storm rating. More people are dying or becoming unhoused from that than from wind.


  29. by Donna on October 12, 2024 1:57 pm

    Fact remains that insurance companies are pulling out of the homeowners insurance market in Florida because of climate change, and it's only going to get worse.

    I totally get why many Floridians don't evacuate for hurricanes. My parents retired in Ocean City, MD, which is on a barrier island. They evacuated for a hurricane once and nothing happened to their home. My dad used to say that he wouldn't go through that again.

    With climate change creating more powerful storms (as climatologists predicted decades ago), the chance of making a mistake by not evacuating will increase. I read a story last week about a 75-year old man in either eastern Tennessee or western NC who ignored local evacuation orders and ended up drowning. He cried for help for 45 minutes, but rescuers were unable to get to him. There have been many incidents like that over the years.

    If Milton had hit just north of Tampa Bay rather than south, the destruction in the bay area would have been much more extensive. It was sheer luck that that didn't happen.

    Heat is the #1 cause of climate-related deaths worldwide, though. That's increasingly becoming an issue here in the sun belt. The temperature still climbs to the 100s here every day - forecast predicts 102 today in Tucson. Btw, Ponderer and I are in the process of getting solar panels, which will help with our electric bills.




  30. by HatetheSwamp on October 12, 2024 4:08 pm

    "With climate change creating more powerful storms (as climatologists predicted decades ago),"

    Climatologists predicted many kooky things decades ago. Milton was a freakin friggin EFFINcategory 2 hurricane when it went on land.

    You are losing your mind to your woke myths!!!!!


  31. by oldedude on October 12, 2024 6:25 pm
    Seriously, you should stop thinking of categories. Rain is now more important than wind with the flooding that accompanies it. And you will now get almost as much rain with a Cat1 as a Cat 5, even from a Tropical Storm rating. More people are dying or becoming unhoused from that than from wind.

    You're correct about the amount of rain is not dependent on the CAT of a hurricane. The issue is mostly surge, which is a combination of rain, moon phase, winds, moonrise/ moonset. That's when the tides are either low or high. Storm surge from tropical cyclones poses a significant threat to life and property along the coast and is currently the leading cause of fatalities from hurricanes. All locations along the U.S. East and Gulf coasts are vulnerable to storm surges. Storm surge can even travel up rivers and canals, reaching well inland from the coastline. We're having that issue now.
    Several rivers around the Tampa area and north-central Florida that took the brunt of Milton’s trek across the heart of the state remain well over flood stage days after Milton made landfall Wednesday, with multiple rivers in major flood stage. A few have even hit all-time records, surpassing other infamous hurricanes.

    Cypress Creek in the Lutz area had risen to 14.4 feet on Saturday morning
    Hillsborough River crested at nearly 2 feet over record height Friday at Zephyrhills but is now at 3' above record.
    Alafia River at Lithia just outside Tampa remains in major flood stage
    the Chrystal River, Withlacoochee River and the Chassahowitzka are draining, but residents were evacuated Thurs and fri.
    "Prepare for long term flood impacts that may last several weeks," NWS Melbourne meteorologists warned.

    nhc.noaa.gov
    yahoo.com


  32. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 7:24 pm
    Meagain...

    Okay, first off... can we at least give each other the benefit of the doubt on the easy stuff like how insurance works? Especially from those who cannot read or spell "legalized"? What I said was...

    "Because insurance is BASICALLY legalized theft."

    ...not...

    "Because insurance IS legalized theft."

    If you're having trouble with the English language, you are in no position to be patronizing me.

    =============================

    Donna:

    Since you already know why people don't evacuate - why have you been giving me shit since the hurricane was approaching when we obviously have the same point of view? And yes, we all know things are going to get worse. That doesn't change the fact for all the whining from you two - who was right the whole time? Oh, that's right - me.


  33. by Indy! on October 12, 2024 7:27 pm

    Oh - and the idea insurance companies are LOSING money in Florida? 😂 You're fucking crazy. The rates blew thru the roof this past year because of that ONE bldg that was built wrong collapsing on the beach. Now they are charging ALL OF US as if our buildings are ready to collapse when nothing could be further from the truth. Again - basically legalized theft - they take ONE SITUATION and apply it to everyone. The insurance industry is gouging Floridians - the BEST thing that could happen would be for all of them to pull out and let us self insure.


  34. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 12:17 am
    You are sooooooooo stupid about these things...... 😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞
    You actually "think" these people aren't out to make money????????
    What a fucking moroon!

    Oh! that's right! everyone is supposed to "provide" you with everyfucking thing you want!" because you're you.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    You're nothing more than some twinkee with a soft white center the folds and runs away every chance it gets. You have ZERO LIFE EXPERIENCE, ZERO GLOBAL EXPERIENCE. AND NO EXPERIENCE THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT. to the point. You grew up in the midwest in a "middle class" family. You moved in with the drug cartels that are fucking cannibals, while you were "high school age" (you never went to high school apparently, so there's that), then you turned in you five box tops to get into "art" "school." So far so good?? You failed at that and have your computer to do your work for you now. So you have zero social skills, zero work skills, and zero leadership skills. That sound about right zeroboy?


  35. by oldedude on October 13, 2024 12:51 am
    so for all the fucking pussyassed lying indy does, we got the same rain as Mihami did. and it's such a little pussy that he didn't care. Except out winds were a CAT3 when it came in. He hasn't described any tornado, so he didn't get any. fuckit. It holds no status, in anything. I'm just going to call it on himself.


  36. by Indy! on October 13, 2024 1:47 am

    Did you miss me, OD? It was only a couple days. 😎


  37. by Donna on October 13, 2024 7:33 am

    Indy, just curious, so no need to get defensive, but has there ever been a hurricane evacuation order that you felt was justified? How about Katrina?




  38. by meagain on October 13, 2024 7:59 am
    First, indy, legalised is the correct spelling. the "z" form is an American bastardization.

    Then, after 30 years in the insurance business: a few years of that as underwriting manager for an Insurance company, and having a fellowship in which I was top in Canada ( My brother was top in England), I know what I am talking about.


  39. by Indy! on October 13, 2024 11:02 am
    Meagain -
    I'm supposed to be impressed that (now) you were allegedly an insurance salesman? The way I remember it in the past, every time some new job description came up in conversation - you magically had a past history in the field. So I'm not surprised you were also (now) an insurance salesman as well.

    We all know how insurance works, meagain - it's not a mystery.

    Oh, and we are in America on an American BBS discussing American things. Therefore the CORRECT spelling is "legalization" whether it conforms to your Brit stiff upper lip or not.

    ==================================================


    Donna - I have never thought about it. What about you? What evacuation orders would you follow? Give me your top 10.


  40. by Donna on October 13, 2024 11:45 am

    I've never lived in an area when an evacuation order was issued, Indy, but I figure that when such an order is issued, whoever issued it, usually a governor, doesn't want anyone getting seriously injured or dying as a direct result of not being told of the potential seriousness of not evacuating. IOW they cover their ass.

    If I only had to worry about myself, I'd be more inclined to ride the storm out, but if I had any children in my household,I'd be more inclined to play it safe and evacuate.

    Bottom line, though, I'd make a judgment call based on all of the information available.


  41. by Indy! on October 13, 2024 12:09 pm

    So now you've come all the way around to my side of the "debate". Maybe now meagain will also grant me the courtesy of believing that I also understand how insurance works. 🙄

    Every situation is different and every person in the path of the hurricane has to make their own decision as to what they are going to do. I have never told anyone to NOT evacuate and I never would. I decide for myself and myself only.


  42. by Donna on October 13, 2024 1:44 pm

    I didn't criticize you for not evacuating - I just said that I would have, and I questioned why you downplayed the severity of the storm. You're just being overly sensitive.



  43. by meagain on October 13, 2024 3:38 pm
    " you were allegedly an insurance salesman? The way I remember it in the past, every time some new job description came up in conversation - you magically had a past history in the field."

    I have never said I was an insurance salesman. Insurance salesmen are agents. And only life and health agents are salesmen really. I was an underwriter for most of those 30 years until I partnered in a brokerage for a couple. And you don't have the faintest idea how Insurance works. One large company I worked at in my early years left North America entirely because it was impossible to make money. And I do have other careers on my resume. I have an intermediate level Accountancy obtained before I went int insurance and I spent the final 20 years owning a legal practice: not lawyers.

    For a very long time, Property insurers in Commonwealth countries were limited by law to not more than a 6^ profit over cost and expenses. For decades, the field became so competitive that no profits were made. Several companies left North America and some were bankrupted. Then, survivors lived on the interest from their reserves without any profit. It has been better for the past 20 years as the business consolidated and weaker companies fell into the arms of the bigger.

    Some have left Florida altogether and most have declined to offer flood coverage.

    And I prefer to spell correctly whether the board is American or Chinese. National arrogance amuses me.


  44. by Indy! on October 13, 2024 7:11 pm

    If you couldn't make money with an insurance company - you couldn't make money with a casino. Like Trump. It's obvious the only person here who understands insurance IN FLORIDA - is me.


  45. by Indy! on October 14, 2024 12:50 am

    Did you miss me, OD? It was only a couple days. 😎


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