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Question for Ponderer
By Navy2711
October 4, 2024 5:16 pm
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Ponderer,

1. Thank you for the welcome back that you posted a few weeks ago. I saw it and never got around to replying to it.

2. Can you please catch me up on the "Trans Women In Women's Sports" argument? (This is assuming that agree that women who were born biologically male should be able to compete it women's sports. You might not.) It's my position that they shouldn't, that drawing a line between people born biologically male and female is a common sense place to make a division amongst competitors. But I see a lot of people who I normally agree with on other topics disagreeing with me on this.

I'll note that obviously it's impossible to make a solid, black and white argument for any division amongst competitors. For instance, we have weight classes in boxing, but not height classes in the NBA. There's no rule written in stone that says it should be that way, we simply make those choices as we see fit. And in regard to men and women, it would be ridiculous to say that ALL men are stronger/faster than ALL women. But it's not about "all". It's all very grey and muddy, but to have no divisions would be madness, and to me, men/women is one division that makes sense.

Sorry, this is poorly written. I'm kinda rambling. But in short: Can you please tell me what are the arguments FOR including people born biologically male in womens' sports?

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  1. by Donna on October 4, 2024 5:30 pm

    Hi nNavy. I wrote extensively on that issue here last year. I think that anyone who's gone through male puberty should be barred from competing with naturally born women. Btw, I have five friends who, along with my wife, Ponderer, are transwomen, and they all agree with me on this issue.



  2. by Navy2711 on October 4, 2024 5:39 pm
    Welp. That's that, then. lol Thanks for responding. I'm having trouble finding a reasonable person to walk me through this argument. I'm getting "transphobe!" thrown in my face at every turn when I try to debate it on Facebook.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on October 4, 2024 5:39 pm
    Here is something Donna wrote on the topic two years ago. See link.
    World swimming bans transgender athletes from women's events
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  4. by Donna on October 4, 2024 5:45 pm

    Thanks for posting that link, Curt.


  5. by Ponderer on October 4, 2024 6:07 pm

    Navy, we aren't popular in our community though for these opinions. But we are not alone.

    And Donna has said it before much better.


  6. by Indy! on October 4, 2024 7:24 pm

    The boxing analogy is a good one because that is more or less what is happening with transwomen competing against born women. No one would be okay with Mike Tyson being thrown into the ring with a featherweight boxer or even a middleweight like Tommy Hearns. Same idea as the NFL having a rule against high school players being allowed to play in the pros. Those rules are based on the differences in body type / maturity.


  7. by oldedude on October 4, 2024 8:04 pm
    Navy- I'll support 100% what po and donna say here (Not that they need my "voice" in this, but it's the right thing to do). We've had fairly in depth discussions. They've been honest and refreshing to say the least. Very grounded stuff. It sounds like I'm like you. Straight guy but not narrow. Just wanting some honest information. All the knives went away and (esp donna) put down the weapons and we just talked.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on October 4, 2024 8:09 pm
    Has anybody heard of any male transgender person wanting to compete on a men's team or in a male category sport?


  9. by Donna on October 5, 2024 7:24 am

    Thank you, olde dude.

    Curt - I haven't heard of a transman competing with naturally born males, but that's not to say that there aren't any.


  10. by meagain on October 5, 2024 7:40 am
    I have always thought that there is nothing that is not arguable. I was wrong (a first). I agree with the above and I don't see how anyone can think otherwise. It would make a mockery of competition and destroy female sport.

    As a matter of interest, I have a female cousin, the daughter of a cousin, in England who was a leading driver in the resuscitation of women's Soccer - you may not know it was banned in 1921 - And she agrees.


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