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More and more Republicans have had enough of Trump and his ilk! By islander September 27, 2024 11:59 am Category: News (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post Write A New Article How To Post Here

Bangor News reports that three former Chairmen of the Maine Republican Party come out in support of Harris/Walz as does Niki Haley's Iowas campaign co-chair. Trump lawn signs are few and far between compared to 4 years ago and those who have put out signs for Republican candidates the Trump sign is conspicuously absent.

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by HatetheSwamp on September 27, 2024 12:05 pm Nice you've checked in... and,... Bang on! MAGA ain't GOP. As pb's been saying all along. PTL, for all those white, formerly Dem, union members who joined the movement. Eh!!!!!? by islander on September 27, 2024 12:20 pm More good news! "A trio of Kansas Republicans — including a onetime chair of the Senate Labor Committee — have thrown their support behind Vice President Kamala Harris in her 2024 election battle against Donald Trump, calling the Democratic nominee the best choice to lead the country for the next four years. Former Senator Nancy Kasselbaum, who represented the Sunflower State in the upper chamber from 1978 to 1997, has joined ex-Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger and Deanell Reece Tacha, a retired federal judge appointed by Ronald Reagan, in offering a formal endorsement of Harris. In a statement first published by Fox News, the GOP trio said the 2024 election “presents a stark choice that is not easy for any of us” because the Republican Party exemplified by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, longtime Kansas senator Bob Dole, and “generations of Kansas leaders” no longer exists within the Trump-era version of the GOP." yahoo.com by islander on September 27, 2024 12:21 pm More good news! "A trio of Kansas Republicans — including a onetime chair of the Senate Labor Committee — have thrown their support behind Vice President Kamala Harris in her 2024 election battle against Donald Trump, calling the Democratic nominee the best choice to lead the country for the next four years. Former Senator Nancy Kasselbaum, who represented the Sunflower State in the upper chamber from 1978 to 1997, has joined ex-Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger and Deanell Reece Tacha, a retired federal judge appointed by Ronald Reagan, in offering a formal endorsement of Harris. In a statement first published by Fox News, the GOP trio said the 2024 election “presents a stark choice that is not easy for any of us” because the Republican Party exemplified by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, longtime Kansas senator Bob Dole, and “generations of Kansas leaders” no longer exists within the Trump-era version of the GOP." yahoo.com by Ponderer on September 27, 2024 12:31 pm "MAGA ain't GOP." -Hate True. "The GOP is MAGA, baby!" by Indy! on September 27, 2024 12:55 pm We're witnessing the end of the GOP. Next up? The Democats. Let's get rid of both parties and start over with 4 or 5 this time. by HatetheSwamp on September 27, 2024 12:56 pm I get not voting for Trump. What I don't get is voting for the Dingbat. by Indy! on September 27, 2024 1:15 pm So "you don't support Kamala - you don't support Kamala." Which - of course - we've known all along. Nothing will stop you from voting for Jabba the Butt. by islander on September 27, 2024 2:00 pm The two parties have changed and have gone back and forth (good/bad) since their inception. Sometimes quite dramatically and quite quickly. Although I was raised in an an ultra-conservative Republican family. I'm registered as a Democrat right now, but I could have been a Republican at different times in our history. I see today's Republican policies and Republican's philosophy as very different than say, Lincoln's or Eisenhower's, but then I would never have gotten anywhere near the Democratic party back in its early days. Maine is ahead of the country I think with respect to it's ranked choice voting. You can vote for a third party or write in and you won't be throwing your vote away because you have other choices including write in. If your first choice is eliminated your vote then goes to your second choice and if necessary your third choice etc. Whoever wins must get 50% or more of the votes insuring that the majority of the voters had that person as one of their choices. I do think today's Republican Party has sunk to its lowest level. A level that far exceeds the dirty politics that have taken place in the power struggle between the two parties in the past. And some of those were pretty bad. by HatetheSwamp on September 27, 2024 2:10 pm Republican policies and Republican's philosophy as very different than say, Lincoln's or Eisenhower's... Interesting. I'd be interested in having you break that down for us. I do think today's Republican Party has sunk to its lowest level. Wow. pb could not disagree more. The GOP is the home of openness and inclusion, acceptance, diversity, tolerance and freethinking... ... it's the party of your own Susan Collins and Mitt Romney... and Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley....and OrangeTurdBad. Freedom, baby! by Indy! on September 27, 2024 6:47 pm Ummm... peebs? Mitt Romney? He's actually somewhat reasonable and does not belong in the same group with the rest of those MAGAts... especially that backbiting liar Susan Collins and Pharoah Fatso. by islander on September 28, 2024 5:51 am Lincoln and the Republican party wanted to unite the country and work toward the goal of ensuring that every American had equal rights under the law, the southern Democrats of course, pushed for state’s rights. Just like today’s Republicans. I am in complete agreement with Lincoln and the Republicans of that period . We on their side favor a strong central democratic government which is necessary if we want to insure freedom and equality under the law. And most reasonable people know why unlimited or unregulated freedom would be a nightmare. Notice I stressed democratic. We on the left know the description of our system of government is a Constitutional-Democratic-Republic, it’s the democratic part that’s essential to our freedom. MAGAs try to play down the democracy part, that’s why you hear them say, “We are not a democracy”; “We’re a republic.” And Indy, I agree Mitt is a fairly reasonable guy and doesn’t belong with the others. by HatetheSwamp on September 29, 2024 3:59 am Lincoln and the Republican party wanted to unite the country and work toward the goal of ensuring that every American had equal rights under the law... Splain how the GOPs today don't share that vision. The GOP, today, is the home of openness and inclusion, acceptance, diversity, tolerance and freethinking. It's what the Dems were in out youth, the Big Tent party... which welcomes, as the song says, "red and yellow, black and white." It is, exactly and precisely, the party of Lincoln's "of the people, by the people and for the people" vision... doing what it can to deconstruct the Dems' Big Brother DC monstrosity. Sorry, buddy. I couldn't disagree with you more. by islander on September 29, 2024 5:54 am The Republican’s are not interested in uniting the country, and they absolutely fear a truly democratic republic. Their emphasis on state’s rights divides the country; it doesn’t unite it. It was the same thing that tore our country apart 175 years ago and we ended up fighting the Civil War; a war between the states. We are either one nation or we are not; we’re not a conglomeration of separate little sovereign nations. The original framers tried something like that at the beginning but it didn’t and it couldn’t work. Americans today live in ‘one country’ and we live, work, and play as one country. We freely move about from state to state. Families today more than ever are spread out across our country. The Republicans today, like yourself, pit the people in one part of the country against others in another part, as if “city people” and “rural people” do not want the same thing, and that is to live as freely as possible in peace and harmony with their neighbors. Republicans specialize in stoking rural white rage, yet every individual state has within it people who live in the state’s cities and people who live in the state’s rural communities. And of course, as you know, Republicans fear democracy as they themselves have acknowledged, they would not get elected in a true representative democracy. by HatetheSwamp on September 29, 2024 6:28 am Except, isle, for the Bill of Rights, which protects citizens from government tyranny,... especially the Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Like it or not. The Bill of Rights specifically and directly limits the power of the central government. Previously, on the old forum, in discussing the Declaration of Independence with you, I asked you why you even want to be an American,... and, I didn't intend to insult or attack you. So much of what you hold dear flies directly in the face of the framework our founding documents established. Feel free to object to that framework. That freedom is guaranteed to you by those founding documents. And, the Constitution creates the means by which you can alter our American social covenant. Still, for now, the truth is, the GOP promotes and defends the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. by islander on September 29, 2024 6:52 am What do you think; “all men are created” equal means? What do you think it meant to the founding fathers? Do you think it meant the same thing then that it does now? The reason the Republicans fear a strong government is not what you think. Without a strong government we would not have the freedom you take for granted. It's the government that guarantees you your freedom. You would not want to live in a land of unlimited and unregulated freedom without a government because you would end up with no freedom at all. by Donna on September 29, 2024 8:58 am "And of course, as you know, Republicans fear democracy as they themselves have acknowledged, they would not get elected in a true representative democracy." - islander The only reason we've had any Republican presidents at all since the 2000 election is because we don't elect presidents by the national popular vote. That's why Republicans have been trying various strategies to reduce voting. Simply put, when more Americans vote, it helps the Democratic candidate. by HatetheSwamp on September 29, 2024 9:53 am "The reason the Republicans fear a strong government is not what you think. Without a strong government we would not have the freedom you take for granted." That strikes me as a genuine oxymoron. But, I'm willing to be educated, if you can elucidate. "That's why Republicans have been trying various strategies to reduce voting." You mean, Jim "Eagle?" by islander on September 29, 2024 11:46 am The Republicans only want a strong government if they themselves have control over it. That’s why they fear a true democracy. They, as well as all of us are in favor of a government that protects us and our property from brutal violence. We all know that we couldn’t be free if the government couldn’t control violence; the strong could use their power to do what they please and take what they want. There is another kind of power just as dangerous to our freedom and that's economic power. Those with the economic power can exploit those with little or no economic power. A few men with all the food for example, can take away the freedom from those who are starving and force them into “voluntary” servitude. And those with enough economic power make the laws. We on the left want a strong government that can regulate and control violent power “and” regulate and control economic power. However, there is a third potential threat we face and that is from the controller, "the government itself." And this is why we cannot be assured of freedom unless the controlled can control the controller…And that can only take place in a true democracy. That's why the Republicans fear democracy. The Republicans are all for “law and order” but rail against regulations that protect us from economic power. The Republicans tell you it’s these financial regulations and business regulations that are holding them (those with the economic power) back, but they want us to believe those regulations are holding "us back too". Did you know there are now 15 men each with over 100 billion dollars in wealth? That's one and one half trillion dollars and their wealth is increasing daily. by Ponderer on September 29, 2024 1:44 pm Isle, the Republican party is the personification of Bullshit. You're spot-on. by HatetheSwamp on September 29, 2024 3:47 pm "We on the left want a strong government that can regulate and control violent power “and” regulate and control economic power." And, we libertarian-ish, believe in PowertothePeople. Progressives, Dems used to be all about the People. That's why pb is no longer neither "progressive". Nor Dem. by oldedude on September 30, 2024 12:22 am I think that's more of a controlled central government, and well-established state governments. That gives you the most power to the people. The stronger the central government is, the less say the citizens have in their government. Right now the central government has run amok on us already. It also used to be that people that graduated High school had an understanding of the government and laws. It was pretty basic, but people knew the limitations of the federal government and how the states fell into place and supported the federal laws. They also knew things like due process and rights of the government vs the rights of the people. by islander on September 30, 2024 6:40 am State governments should be just that, they should govern state related matters within the state. The people within each state should be able to control their own State government ‘and’ our Federal government as well. As it is now,the way our system is set up how much say your individual vote has in our federal government is not equal, how much say you have depends on where you live. We, the people in each state, are not as separate in what we want for ourselves, our children, and for our country, as some would have us believe. Like I said; Americans today live in ‘one country’ and we live, work, and play as one country. We freely move about from state to state. Families today more than ever are spread out across our country. I have siblings and children living in different states from Maine to Hawaii. I’ve lived in 6 different states and found the people in each one of them to be not so different after all. What I have found is that small local governments from city, county, town, right down to homeowner associations, have the ability to become corrupt and controlling in a direct manner even more so than our federal government. The image of the small town sheriff and the good old boys is not just “an image”. And all cynicism aside, the reason the federal government is so important to us is that it‘s all we have to protect us, and our rights, from the ‘small governments’ and the good old boys. The saying; “United we stand, divided we fall” is absolutely true. And the one government that unites us all is our federal government. In recent times those who want to divide us have done their best to turn us against our federal government and tried to make it our enemy. You’ve heard it before, the government doesn’t solve your problems, the government is the problem. by HatetheSwamp on September 30, 2024 6:53 am Well stated, isle. Interestingly, I just checked 1984 out of the library to go over the last section again. In 1984, when the protagonist Winston Smith, is imprisoned, his jailer explains that the goal of the imprisonment of dissidents, like him, is not to move them to move them to the point that they stop fighting against Big Brother. The point is to move them to LOVE Big Brother. From where I sit, you love Big Brother, and you express your love passionately and eloquently. I remain, however, a person who believes in PowertothePeople. The Tenth Amendment IS my truth. by Ponderer on September 30, 2024 7:14 am "The stronger the central government is, the less say the citizens have in their government." -olde dude Federal Government BAD! State government GOOD! And why do you think that state government power gives citizens more say in their government? It certainly hasn't given any power to female citizens whose health and very lives are at stake because of red state governments who abuse power from their citizens to take away their basic human rights over their own bodies. Asshole Republican state governments have enacted anti-rights laws that are literally killing women against their majority will and there's nothing they or their doctors can fuckingdo about it. How is that better than the federal government? by islander on September 30, 2024 7:59 am Hate, I love my "freedom". But I think the difference between you and me is that I know that without a government neither you nor I could have that freedom. You forget one thing when you say that I love Big Brother…What you are calling Big Brother is the only thing you and I have that can protect our freedom from those who have the power to take it from us; those with greater brute strength than you or me and those who have far greater economic power than you or me. And in a truly democratic society that protector’s (big brother) strength is given to it and can be taken from it by us, we the people. Some people are afraid of that responsibility and would opt instead for an autocratic ‘strong man’ Big Brother. One who, in exchange for his protection demands that they surrender their freedom and remain loyal only to him. It seems to me that you aren’t really quite sure what you want. You appear to want to be free and to have control of your future but you don’t quite know how to go about it. You have these wants but at the same time you don’t want to have a government that can insure your freedom, even a government that you choose and can control...which is a democratic form of government. by HatetheSwamp on September 30, 2024 8:35 am "Hate, I love my "freedom". But I think the difference between you and me is that I know..." Ah, yes. Understand man. If I only had a brain, I would see things the way you do. You've splained that to before. You possess the Gnosis. Got it. You ain't no Winston Smith. by oldedude on September 30, 2024 1:21 pm po- And why do you think that state government power gives citizens more say in their government? It certainly hasn't given any power to female citizens whose health and very lives are at stake because of red state governments who abuse power from their citizens to take away their basic human rights over their own bodies. Asshole Republican state governments have enacted anti-rights laws that are literally killing women against their majority will and there's nothing they or their doctors can fuckingdo about it. Quite frankly, there is nothing I can say that you would listen to at this point. Your mind is made up and completely shut down. by Donna on September 30, 2024 1:27 pm My wife asked you a reasonable question. Sounds to me like you don't have a good answer. by Donna on September 30, 2024 1:42 pm And Hts, islander made some good points, but you chose to be defensive rather than making a counterpoint, which of course is your choice, but IMO your response couldn't have been weaker. by HatetheSwamp on September 30, 2024 2:10 pm Defensive? No. But, isle has this thing. When a conversation reaches a different place, he always resorts to claim that he's smart and our differences trace to the fact I can't understand as much as he can. isle's been singing that song for years... ...but it's merely woke sanctimony... self-righteousness... unjustified superiority. He always goes there. EFFINalways. He ain't as smart as he imagines... by far. by Donna on September 30, 2024 2:14 pm So you respond with more defensiveness. by Ponderer on September 30, 2024 2:33 pm "But, isle has this thing. When a conversation reaches a different place, he always resorts to claim that he's smart and our differences trace to the fact I can't understand as much as he can. isle's been singing that song for years..." -Hate That's only because for years he has been much more intelligent and knowledgeable than you are about a great many topics, Bill. by oldedude on September 30, 2024 3:34 pm Standing up and pounding your "chest" claiming that you're smarter than everyone else doesn't make it so. by Curt_Anderson on September 30, 2024 3:50 pm "Standing up and pounding your "chest" claiming that you're smarter than everyone else doesn't make it so." --OD Are you talking about Trump? Trump calls Harris 'mentally impaired' (But he is afraid to debate her) President Trump has called himself smart six times before abcnews.go.com msnbc.com by oldedude on September 30, 2024 3:53 pm Nope. Pretty much the liberals can't/won't actually show they're smarter, and just say you're stupid. by islander on October 1, 2024 6:56 am Thanks Donna and Pondy. The thing is, I’ve never said that I’m smarter than anybody. In fact, I’m not even smart enough to know how to really measure intelligence. I’ve also never mentioned my education, or whether or not I have a degree in this or that "as if" that would make any difference here. The funny thing is, it has never bothered me in the slightest whether someone thinks he or she is smarter than me. Maybe they are, or maybe their not. What ultimately matters here though, and in everyday life really, is the strength of the person’s argument. If I say Joe doesn’t seem to know or understand X, that doesn’t mean I'm smarter Joe, or that I think I’m smarter than Joe, it only means that “it just seems to me that Joe doesn’t know X". If Joe wants to clear it up, he can simply explain his understanding of X. Which, if the tables were reversed, is what I myself would want to do. And the truth of the matter is, even now I don’t really know whether Hate is or is not in favor of a democracy, or whether he believes or disagrees that we need a government strong enough to protect and insure that we all can actually have freedom and equality, or that the only way we can do this is to grant a government the power it needs to protect and guarantee that freedom, and the only way we can do that is to have a government that we choose and can control. And the only way that is possible is with a truly democratic form of government. by HatetheSwamp on October 1, 2024 7:24 am "The thing is, I’ve never said that I’m smarter than anybody. In fact, I’m not even smart enough to know how to really measure intelligence." isle, No. What you've said is that you UNDERSTAND and that I don't. And, that you're happy to help me UNDERSTAND... ...and, if I allow you to enlighten and inform me, and, pe chance, I'm able to UNDERSTAND, we'll agree... ...because you are exactly correct and,... ...my only problem is that I don't UNDERSTAND... which you do. You've done that many times... ...over the course of many, many years. by Indy! on October 1, 2024 7:27 am "I'm like a smart person" ---------- Donald J. Orangemonkey Yes - he's exactly like a smart person except for the brain part. by HatetheSwamp on October 1, 2024 7:36 am Then, Indy, join ole pb in not voting for him. by Indy! on October 1, 2024 7:39 am Peebs, I believe you're not voting for the Orange Shit Stain about as much as I believe your "I support Kammy" crap. In case you don't realize it - you are the comedic relief on this board and not because the Fox videos you post are funny. by HatetheSwamp on October 1, 2024 7:46 am Indy, I hope I am. I don't lie here but I do employ rhetorical devices to convey truth. by Ponderer on October 1, 2024 7:51 am "Standing up and pounding your "chest" claiming that you're smarter than everyone else doesn't make it so." -olde dude "Except when I do it. Right, olde dude?" by Ponderer on October 1, 2024 8:14 am "What you've said is that you UNDERSTAND and that I don't. And, that you're happy to help me UNDERSTAND... ...and, if I allow you to enlighten and inform me, and, pe chance, I'm able to UNDERSTAND, we'll agree... ...because you are exactly correct and,... ...my only problem is that I don't UNDERSTAND... which you do." -Hate Bill, it's just that you are so often observably ignorant on a lot of topics that others here are not. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Here's an example for you: You don't UNDERSTAND why Kamala Harris is a far superior choice to vote for president than Trump is. The rest of us here, besides olde dude of course, actually UNDERSTAND the reality of that quite easily. You simply do not UNDERSTAND the reality that we are talking about. The reality that any truly patriotic American can see and UNDERSTAND. Are we wrong, and you do UNDERSTAND this? Or can you not for the life of you UNDERSTAND how Kamala is a fine choice for president, especially given the cataclysmic alternative...? by islander on October 1, 2024 8:21 am Hate wrote ~ Interestingly, I just checked 1984 out of the library to go over the last section again. From where I sit, you love Big Brother, and you express your love passionately and eloquently. I responded ~ Hate, I love my "freedom". But I think the difference between you and me is that I know that without a government neither you nor I could have that freedom. So tell me about this 1984 Big Brother that you claim I love so passionately. by Ponderer on October 1, 2024 8:34 am "I don't lie here but I do employ rhetorical devices to convey truth." -Hate See how he is? He was of course using the verb form: lie [ lahy ] verb (used without object) , lay, lain, ly·ing. 1. to be in a horizontal, recumbent, or prostrate position, as on a bed or the ground; recline. OBVIOUSLY he lies uses false statements made with deliberate intent to deceive and intentional untruths. He does it all the time here. Go To Top

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