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Mark Kelly slams Vance for attacking Walz’s military record
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Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.) went after Republican vice presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) on Wednesday for attacking Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz’s (D) military record.

“Hey @JDVance, did you forget what the [United States Marine Corps] taught you about respect? Tim Walz spent DECADES in uniform,” Kelly said in a post on the social platform X.

“You both deserve to be thanked for your service,” Kelly, a retired Navy captain who served in Operation Desert Storm, continued. “Don’t become [former President] Donald Trump. He calls veterans suckers and losers and that is beneath those of us who have actually served.”I

Not to mention his alleged bone spurs.

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Comments on "Mark Kelly slams Vance for attacking Walz’s military record":

  1. by Indy! on August 8, 2024 4:49 pm

    It will interesting to see how OD back tracks on what he's said about this.

  2. by oldedude on August 8, 2024 6:17 pm
    It's easy princess. I disagree with him. Adults can actually do that. I know you can't, but functional adults can.

    I put a synopsis for all the quotes in there. Obviously, no other military person is going to read this, Lead may understand it. And it's there for you to peruse the evidence, in spite of Kelly.

    Him being in a "war zone." This is a big one. Over and over again (on tape, so there's that), he makes a stink about Americans getting a gun he used in war." He was never there. More on that later.
    On Wednesday, Walz also came under scrutiny for saying during a gubernatorial campaign event in 2018 that “we can make sure those weapons of war that I carried in war” are not on America’s streets. Walz did not serve in combat, according to the Minnesota Army National Guard, and his Republican counterpart jumped on those comments.

    “He said we shouldn’t allow weapons that I used in war to be on America’s streets,” JD Vance, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, said during a campaign event in Michigan. “Well, I wonder. Tim Walz, when were you ever in war?”    [1]

    Next thing; As the enlisted HMFIC, this is what his job is. Plain and simple. And then we go to the lie "I wanna run for congress." He can do both. Just like the other politicians that are/were on reserve duty when they were in office.
    There's been some controversy surrounding Minnesota governor Tim Walz's retirement from the Army National Guard. Specifically, it has to do with the timing of when he left, the way in which his rank changed, and even a comment he later made about his experience in the military.

    But in a letter posted to Facebook in 2018 (via the New York Post), two former command sergeant majors named Thomas Behrends and Paul Herr criticized Walz's decision to retire two months before he would have been deployed to Iraq, and said that Walz was well aware that he could have sought permission from the Pentagon to run for office while remaining on active duty.
    "He abandoned us. ... As soon as the shots were fired in Iraq, he turned and ran the other way, hung his hat up and quit," Behrends said.

    The former Minnesota National Guard soldier explained that he was next in line in the unit to take the command sergeant major's slot and stepped up and deployed to Iraq for nearly two years.
    "If he would have went to Iraq, he’s still be hiding under his desk over there, because that’s just the cowardice that I seen portrayed with him," Behrends concluded.

    Behrends and fellow retired Command Sgt. Maj. Paul Herr published a joint letter in the West Central Tribune in 2018 when Walz first ran for governor titled, "The Truth About Tim Walz."

    "Tim Walz has embellished and selectively omitted facts and circumstances of his military career for years," the letter began.    [2][3]


    Walz never did "retire" from the Guard. First, the paperwork was never accomplished. He didn't even fill out the correct paperwork.

    "On May 16th, 2005 he quit, leaving the 1-125th Field Artillery Battalion and its Soldiers hanging; without its senior Non-Commissioned Officer, as the battalion prepared for war. His excuse to other leaders was that he needed to retire in order to run for congress," Behrends and Herr wrote.

    The veterans highlighted that this was false, because all Walz needed to do was seek permission from the secretary of defense to become a candidate, as many reservists have done.

    Further, "If he had retired normally and respectfully, you would think he would have ensured his retirement documents were correctly filled out and signed, and that he would have ensured he was reduced to Master Sergeant for dropping out of the academy. Instead he waited for the paperwork to catch up to him. His official retirement document states, SOLDIER NOT AVAILABLE FOR SIGNATURE," Behrends and Herr wrote.[2][3]

    Walz IS NOT A RETIRED E9+. He never completed the schools required of him. So in essence, he's like kammy. He want's the rank, but not the work. And he knew this getting out. In fairness. I've seen this happen in the Guard. They think they have a good worker, so they "conditionally Promote" them. If you don't do the work, they demote you. The issue to me is, "You can't claim the higher rank."

    Tim Walz Army Rank Was Reduced After He Quit
    The governor has reportedly frequently described himself as a retired command sergeant major from the Army, the highest enlisted rank one can achieve.

    However, military records obtained by Alpha News in 2022, as Walz was running for re-election, showed that while he did obtain the rank of command sergeant major, known as an E9, he was demoted to master sergeant, E8, because he failed to complete the requirements to keep the higher rank before leaving the Army.
    Retired Command Sgt. Maj. Thomas Behrends told Alpha News that Walz in fact left the Army after receiving a warning order that his unit, 1-125th Field Artillery Battalion, was to be deployed to Iraq.    [2][3]
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  3. by ROB3RT on August 8, 2024 6:26 pm

    Tim Walz spent more than 20 years serving in uniform, much of it in a leadership position. I'd trust him to be a commander-in-chief.

    Waltz seems to respect the military and people who served and sacrificed. He has never called them suckers and losers.

    Waltz understands what makes America great. Trump doesn't have a clue.


  4. by oldedude on August 8, 2024 6:59 pm
    Tim Walz spent more than 20 years serving in uniform, much of it in a leadership position.
    He also ran out on them when they needed him. He's nothing more than a willful coward.

  5. by Curt_Anderson on August 8, 2024 8:49 pm
    Each day in the 24 years Walz served in the NG, he willingly risked being sent into harm’s way. Trump didn’t risk 24 seconds

    The standard period of enlistment for the National Guard is eight years. Walz served for 24 years — much longer than the four years Vance served in the Marine Corps. Trump, of course, famously avoided military service entirely during the Vietnam era because a podiatrist, whose office was in a building owned by Trump’s father, diagnosed the strapping young man as unfit, due to supposed bone spurs in his heels.

    Walz left the Guard in May 2005 because he had decided to run for Congress. His unit did not receive a mobilization order until August of that year, and it did not deploy to Iraq until March 2006.

  6. by Curt_Anderson on August 8, 2024 8:49 pm
    Each day in the 24 years Walz served in the NG, he willingly risked being sent into harm’s way. Trump didn’t risk 24 seconds

    The standard period of enlistment for the National Guard is eight years. Walz served for 24 years — much longer than the four years Vance served in the Marine Corps. Trump, of course, famously avoided military service entirely during the Vietnam era because a podiatrist, whose office was in a building owned by Trump’s father, diagnosed the strapping young man as unfit, due to supposed bone spurs in his heels.

    Walz left the Guard in May 2005 because he had decided to run for Congress. His unit did not receive a mobilization order until August of that year, and it did not deploy to Iraq until March 2006.

  7. by oldedude on August 8, 2024 9:16 pm
    I know you luvluvluv tamponTim. And what you say, it's very evident you've never served. 23 years doesn't mean anything if you run at the first call. That's just cowardly. Honestly, in 2005, no one wanted to go. Walz's unit had dodged the bullet for a few years. By 2005, my USMC son, had done three tours in three years and had two purple hearts. My youngest son had been on four deployments and had been shot once and blown up twice.

    My point is, as you've said repeatedly to me, about the military and cops. You sign up, you know what the risks are, screw you. walz is the worst of the military. He skated up the ladder, was a Guard junkie (meaning he was a full-timer which guaranteed him zero deployments for years at a time). That's not against him unless when the "do what you've spent taxpayers money for" he did something I would have expected out of that E3. He flat, "didn't want to go." My answer to anyone that does that? "Man the fuck up and take it like everyone else in your unit."

    Also, I know Kelly is nothing more than a mouthpiece that will get some job in the administration. I didn't care for him before, but I respected him. That respect is fading quickly because he could have just shut the fuck up and not said anything. This is a Navy Captain that can't lead his way out of a wet paper bag.

    You make a lot of his time in (I refuse to say time "served"). HE CHOSE THAT. There's no draft that he was forced to served. His contract was NOT finished when he left. There's a question if he was really AWOL during the prep and travel phase of the deployment. If that is true, he missed a troop movement. That is a felony.

    Also, trumpster is his own ball of wax. To compare the two show how little you actually care about walz. Yes, trumpster got deferments, so did pedojoe, Bush, and cliton. So you need to roll everyone in if you're going to do it. I know you'll never in a million years change, but it would be nice if you could also show the faults in your own party.

  8. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 4:25 am

    Hey Curt,

    Effyou!

    I guess it's time for me to repeat my disclaimer regarding how I discuss politics here. I almost never share my own opinion, especially a positive opinion, about a candidate. I'll go so far as to say that I despise Trump.

    Among the rare exceptions?, prior to the primaries, I declared that I support Ron DeSantis.

    And, of course, I "start off with two words," from time to time.


    With this stolen valor thing, I shared some personal reflections with OD for the rest of you to read, if you want...

    ...but, normally, pb posts his own third-rate political analysis.

    I know nuthin about membership in the National Guard but, from a political standpoint, two things stand out about Walz:

    1. There's video of him lying about what he did. (Have your Holy Trinity and po's metaphorical Rachel reported that, or are you intentionally misinformed still?)
    2. Walz's vulnerability is that it's his fellow Guardsmen who are making a stink about him. Who gives a d@ng about what JD Vance says about it? No one. But, real people!!!!!? Kammy's claim is that TT is real people. Here's proof that he ain't.

  9. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 5:13 am
    I guess, ask the three families who lost their fathers or sons there. On that tour. Could his presence as the top NCO in the battalion (~750-1000 soldiers) kept the Chain of Command Chaos from losing these three soldiers? That's a very real scenario. When you don't give snuffy time to acclimate to the new commander, there's confusion within that echelon. And the fact he didn't actually finish his paperwork, National Guard Bureau had no confirmation he was even gone. Talk about "cut and run." That means he didn't even care about retirement or any other benefits. He didn't address his people or his staff. Everything that happened was a "rumor" about him leaving.

    A lot of folks are saying he could just leave, yadayadayada. The military is very, very different then working as anything else. There is a legally binding contract (which he had not finished).

    So curt (for example) contracts with a builder for a revamp of his house to make it look like he's wanted it for years😀. The builder guts the house. Then leaves without warning😞. You've paid half (for materials) per the contract😠. I'm sure curt won't mind walking around in the chaos of having walls torn out, the bathroom unfinished and unplumbed. This is how a unit feels from top to bottom. Is it okay that the contractor decided his next job was going to make him more money and just leave?

  10. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 12:35 pm

    by oldedude on August 8, 2024 6:59 pm
    Tim Walz spent more than 20 years serving in uniform, much of it in a leadership position.
    He also ran out on them when they needed him. He's nothing more than a willful coward.


    Again - another post that absolutely screams "OD WAS NEVER IN THE MILITARY!"

  11. by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:53 pm

    Swiftboaters are DISGUSTING.

  12. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 1:16 pm

    One of the Republican party's biggest problems, besides the reality of Donald Trump, is that eventually too many people eventually become hip to the same tricks they try over and over and over again. They just land with a thud anymore.

  13. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 1:25 pm

    Trump is despicable.

    But Tampon Tim has been busted on multiple lies about the stolen valor thing.

    You know about lies. Trump does it all the time... and that matters to you.

  14. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 2:07 pm

    If only Trump was running against Tim! Missed a good attack strategy by thismuch. 🤨

  15. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 7:33 pm
    Before I get to dikead.
    The absolute FUNNIEST THING of this whole debacle🤔? The Unit got sent to Camp Afrijan! THAT is in SOUTHERN KUWAIT! Afrijan hasn't seen any action in decades. AND DIKEAD RAN!🤣 The Army uses Afrijan for "decompression" (read R&R) base, and they have since 1992. So this stupid MF did all this, FOR NOTHING! THEY WEREN'T EVEN IN COUNTRY!

    Disclaimer:It does say the unit lost 3 people. I'm thinking either training accidents or screwing around with the vehicles. And artillery is inherently dangerous.

    Tim Walz spent more than 20 years serving in uniform, much of it in a leadership position.
    He also ran out on them when they needed him. He's nothing more than a willful coward.
    So you finally "came" out from under your daddies' skirts? Daddy satisfied?

    You would support tampontim (nothing more than a chunk of dead cloth wrapped as a pussy). Neither of you have ever been responsible for anyone but yourselves. Which is great, because neither of you are worth being called human beings.

    Did tampon tim skate through and make his rank? Yes. Did he jump ship without telling his supervisors that he was leaving? Yes. Did he actually come back to "really" retire. Don't know. Like you, he skipped out of every responsibility in his life.

    Here's some other veterans, congressional members (not like your daddy's "member" don't get excited)

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz "misspoke" in a 2018 video circulated by the Harris campaign earlier this week that included the vice presidential candidate talking about his handling of weapons "in war," a campaign spokesperson said Friday.
    The clarification comes after Republicans, led by veteran and vice presidential candidate JD Vance, have attacked Walz over his military record.

    Tim Walz ‘misspoke’ when he discussed using weapons ‘in war,’ campaign says (msn.com)

    There is NOBODY to clarify the record at all. “This will all stop. Just tell the truth.”

    And since you can't read, I also told curt that if they put out the truth (with where they got the information and that information is available, and I'm wrong, I'll apologize. If not he's a little prick that left his people so he wouldn't have to do what he's trained all his life to do, stealing taxpayers money. And for him I'm SURE he picked up a lot of cigarette butts. You haven't included that? That's strange🤔....

    Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), a Marine Corps veteran, said Thursday in a thread on the social platform X. “JD knows personally that signing up to serve does not always mean you see combat — 90% of servicemembers don’t.”

    Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Texas), a Navy veteran, slammed Walz in a post on X on Thursday.

    “I proudly served 20 years in the U.S. Navy, with multiple deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq – retired as a Master Chief,” Gonzales said in his post. “Yes, that makes me the highest ranked enlisted service member to EVER serve in Congress. A claim Gov. Walz has falsely paraded around. It’s important to call out DISHONESTY. Tim Walz should immediately be WITHDRAWN as the Vice President Nominee.”
    Veterans in Congress weigh in on Tim Walz's military record (thehill.com)
    msn.com
    thehill.com

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  17. by Donna on August 10, 2024 8:45 am

    It's really sad for me to watch military servicepeople dishonoring fellow military servicepeople over politics. It's un-American.



  18. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 9:33 am
    Frankly, your "opinion" doesn't matter to me at all. Again, if you had an ounce of honor and integrity, you would understand. That's where I start.

    I feel sad for those that can't figure out that if even a stellar serviceperson violated their oath to the country and the people they supervise are pieces of shit. He ran out on his people.

    Do you think we should honor these people as well? That's what you're saying, so I'm assuming that you support all three. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

    you have spoke extensively about "Respecting ALL Veterans." Do you think we should honor these people as well? That's what you're saying, so I'm assuming that you support all three. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Apparently including Bowe Bergdahl and Robert Bales. One deserter, a person that shot and murdered 16 Afghan civilians, and a spy. All of these people are good, outstanding citizens in your eyes. And they're veterans, and therefore, regardless of what they do, I must respect them.

    In Bales case. He left his FOB and murdered 16 civilians. In his courts martial, Bales spoke about the (upper echelon) not responding to his (and other's pleas) these people were Taliban Operatives. Most veterans are pissed about him. That's not the way things work. He violated the oath. Period. End of story.

    Bergdahl walked off post in the middle of the night and into tallicountry. He got captured (no shit!). When they finally got a location on him, there was a LOT of "discussion" from the teams on why they should pick him up. He had already cost them three team-mates for deserting. He's a POS. Leave him there and let his God sort it out. And these are generally the folks that will give their lives for someone willing to fight for them. It got so bad, regional command worked out a "deal" for a Taliban member that had killed a bunch of Afghans and US troops. Again, the teams were NOT happy about that.

  19. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 9:49 am

    Again, if you had an ounce of honor and integrity, you would understand.


    This from the guy who doesn't have a DROP of honor or integrity. You didn't serve.

  20. by Donna on August 10, 2024 10:44 am

    Those two were dishonorably discharged, od.

    You and your buddies are trying desperately to dishonor Tim extra-judicially, iow fake justice. If Walz were Trump's VP pick, we wouldn't be hearing a peep from you guys.



  21. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 11:48 am

    Classic OD spin. Whenever he's losing on the facts - he tries to spin the conversation off into something totally diffferent usually involving gun details nobody cares about or sex with children (his favorite subject).

  22. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 11:54 am
    "It's really sad for me to watch military servicepeople dishonoring fellow military servicepeople over politics. It's un-American."
    Nothing about a discharge type, so you're changing to goalposts to save your arse as usual.

    The point is; They enlisted (by their choice, there was no "draft"), they were serving in combat zones (so you should really like that). Actually both filled their terms until released by the government. So by your standard, you think it's sad to watch veterans dishonoring fellow veterans over politics." Then you make up excuses NOT to support them.

  23. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 2:46 pm
    Donna- the issue is ethics. By your definition, ethics should not be part of my decision. I've read about one guy that took a picture of himself at work (navy guy on a sub) he thought he was okay with the picture. obomber administration put him in prison for 5 years for espionage. That was within weeks of letting Manning go. That's just two-faced.

    I had a problem with manning and the other two. They ALL did wrong. I haven't changed any criteria I have told you. You keep changing the goal posts. I had a friend that got busted for weed. At a unit party shortly thereafter, he, his wife and I were talking. She was livid that he was going to be pushed out (and pretty vocal). After a couple times of trying, he finally got his wife to listen. I told him exactly the same thing. "You broke the oath." And he understood exactly what I was saying. It doesn't matter that I agree or not. It matters that he broke the oath. That is really hard for liberals to understand.

  24. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 9:05 pm

    Like the GOP-packed wingnutty "Oath Keepers" who don't keep their oaths to their jobs?

  25. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 6:01 am
    That made zero sense. Try again. Obviously you don't know anything about the group.

  26. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 6:03 am
    Just keep digging. Eventually, it will be so bad, you'll quit.

  27. by Donna on August 11, 2024 7:58 am

    I didn't change any goalposts. You're probably confusing my comments wirh soneone else's. You do that a lot.

    And you're apparently only listening to one side of the Walz "controversy". You also do that a lot.

    The report below features comments from someone who served with Tim for ten years. He says that he doesn't agree with Tim's politics and that he won't be voting for him, but he also says that the attacks against Tim are unfair.


    cnn.com

  28. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 9:43 am
    Right. He had ONE guy that he talked to before he left his unit. He didn't tell anyone else that he was "leaving" and this guy, only that "he was thinking about it."

    tampon tim, NEVER discussed leaving with his commander, which is required. His command didn't know WTF he was because they couldn't get hold of him.

    So yes, I've mentioned this guy. Apparently they were "Friends." Not sure if he's still in the unit though. I'm pretty sure that he'd be asked to retire because of his shown lack of leadership.

    Last thing. Wrong again...

  29. by Donna on August 11, 2024 10:11 am

    Well apparently none of that, if true, was an issue before Harris chose him as her VP pick, which suggests that it's just another desperate blown-out-of-proportion political attack as opposed to a substantive argument that voters actually care about.

    But carry on if you think it's a winner


  30. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 10:24 am
    Then kammy is stupider than I thought. Also, if he isn't "guilty" of this, why doesn't the campaign come out and clear it up? They could put EVERYONE down over this if they wanted to. Yet they won't. Kerry's still carrying that with him because the dims couldn't counter the accusations, or clear it up. Same thing here.

  31. by Indy! on August 11, 2024 10:27 am

    The Oath Keepers take an oath that they will disregard the oaths of their jobs if they don't jibe with their weird racist, backwards version of what America is supposed to be. Bunch of pussies who can't do their jobs. You're probably a member, OD - their "integrity" resides on the same bottom floor level as yours.

  32. by Donna on August 11, 2024 10:36 am

    Kamala did clear up the carrying a gun to war claim, saying that Tim misspoke. Because unlike Donald, she has class.




  33. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 1:29 pm
    Only because she had to. Again, NOTHING else has been divulged about his leaving, and at this point I'm not sure it matters. There's a lot of damage that both sides have done. I hope she keeps him though. Between his military "diversions" and his policies, he's lost a lot of the US voting population.

    And like I said before, I know the libs are ecstatic over him. Really, he's right down your line. I do understand that. I just don't think the rest of the nation will follow. We do have a couple of months, so going to check back on polls in 2-3 weeks and see what's up.


  34. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 6:39 am
    Kamala did clear up the carrying a gun to war claim, saying that Tim misspoke. Because unlike Donald, she has class.

    Donna, First, why did kammy clean it up? Is he kammy's cuck?

    Granted, the veterans are the only ones that care. It doesn't make sense to liberals. The military oath of enlistment is done every time you enlist. So for me that was, I dunno, a dozen+ times. And it's not a sliding scale. Everyone is equal in this. EVERY TIME.

    For those without any morals at all, it means nothing. That's where the dims/liberals are looking at this from. They'd sell their mother for crack because everything they do is "relative" in their minds. Lying about what you did in the military is worse than selling your toothless mother for a teener. Just because it is!

    I've watched as folks here attack JD (not unexpected) and then see it in the sheeple's talking points. The only thing this means to me is that no one can think on their own. Thusly, "SHEEPLE." or "LIBBINGS" everyone goes off the cliff because the last libbing did. Once you can think for yourself, you free yourself of good little german (or chinese/russian) tyranny.

  35. by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 6:44 am

    "Misspoke." Baha.

    When Trump does that, he's a liar. But, take it to the bank. Moderate and independent common sense voters get it that that sort of misspeaking is just plain lying.

    Tim's been busted.

    He's a millstone, I'm tellin ya. Keehee ha!

  36. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 7:03 am
    You mean "kammy's cuck" because he surely doesn't have a mind of his own. I wonder if he got "permission" from his wife, and what it costs him...

  37. by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 7:57 am

    You are such a sick fuckingasshole of atwat, od. A mindless lemming who is told what to think and gladly thinks it, regardless of the evidence that you can see with your own eyes.

    You have seen absolutely nothing about Walz for you or anyone to hate his guts and disparage him so much on his own merits. The man is flat out wonderful on tons of levels. He's a joy and breath of fresh air to even imagine in a place of such authority.



    Look, I get it. You are being told by your cult leaders to hate his guts and disparage him so much because he's fifty times the man and military officer that your multiply-convicted felonious rapist of a presidential candidate's VP pick is. So, it makes sense why they lie to you so much.

    But you are even more stupid than they require you to be for swallowing all that flaming horseshit with such emotional gusto. They expect your stupidity, but you don't have to go so all-out for Stupidest MAGA Hat of the Month. that's not really a thing. You won't get any prizes.

    But still. Good job! I'm sure you make Trump so proud.



  38. by meagain on August 12, 2024 8:06 am
    Fact checking.
    A couple of interesting observations. Vance never served in combat. and the two critical NCOs were paid for their claims.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-attacks-on-walzs-military-record-by-vance-and-other-republicans

    Walz's record looks pretty good to me.

  39. by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 8:10 am

    "You have seen absolutely nothing about Walz for you or anyone to hate his guts and disparage him so much on his own merits."

    I just love it, po, when you go all omniscient on us.

    Tampon Tim lied about his military service. Did either Rachel tell you that? And, considering the life OD lived, can you understand that he'd be hatin on Tim?

    C'mon man. Gimme an EFFINbreak!!!!!

  40. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 8:28 am
    I question pbs reference.
    Walz also never served in combat, he deserted when the unit was going to be deployed. His unit and Battalion command didn't know where he was. ONE NCO did, and had to tell command that he didn't feel like going. There's a lot of purposeful "fog" around his discharge. Which makes the whole discharge thing suspicious. There seems to be a lot of bribery, graft, threats, and corruption around that piece.

    Also linked with the whole "I served in a war zone bullshit. He "claimed" he wanted to get rid of the weapons of war "That I carried to war." Oops. Yeah, it was even on his website for governor. That has since been "corrected" by kammy that "he misspoke about being in combat." That's not something you "misspeak" about. Misspeak is telling your wife you had two beers and you've had six. Still a LIE, but you don't forget that. nor do you claim it.

    He didn't finish a school, so when he left, he was reduced in rank to MSG. In all fairness, this is how the US Army works so THAT is not any issue at all. So if you hear that, please make a mental note here. The issue about his rank, is that he still "claimed" being a Command Sergeant Major, which he wasn't. That is like me saying I was a Major General, and claiming it on resumes, etc. Had he NOT done that, this whole thing would have been scrubbed.

    The rest of it, I think is stellar, or at least good. No issue with that.

    Vance volunteered, as a Marine to go to combat. He worked to volunteer to be a Marine, went to the "School of Infantry," went to all the proper schools, he was assigned to a rotary-wing unit. Not a hell of a lot of CQB there. when his unit was deployed, he did his job how the government and the Marine Corps wanted him to. He returned CONUS, worked in his job and was one of the better first-term enlisted in his career, DEROS as a Corporal (just a comparison, about 2/3 of first termers are discharged as a "Lance Corporal," E3. A Corporal is an NCO/ E4). Honorable Discharge. And he stuck around to sign the documents. Everything up front.

  41. by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 8:32 am

    "I just love it, po, when you go all omniscient on us." -Hate

    Oh my Heavens! I don't have to be omniscient. I have watched you flaming assholes throw everything that you can find at him and nothing at all is coming even close to sticking. You got NOTHING! You're trying to make mountain ranges out of a couple mole hills. It's a laughable though pitiful thing to watch.

    Your beloved Trump Party and its multipy-convicted felon and adjudicated rapist are currently absolutely wallowing in pathetic lameness.

  42. by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 8:47 am

    olde dude, are you aware that if you ever ran for a high political office, your opposition could make the most heinous and deplorable things out of your time in service? Do you have any idea of just how many assholes you pissed off who would tell any lie about you they were goaded into telling? (I bet two or three of them just popped to mind...)

    All the while you'd be crying about your innocence and what liars they were. If you were brave enough to stand up to them in the first place, of course.


    "Candidate Dude's time in the service was a sick f***ing joke! He spent most of it picking up cigarette butts and taking out the trash and emptying spittoons, cleaning up vomit... That sorta thing. Terrified of guns, he was. And when he wasn't calling the black officers racist names and sabotaging them, he was sexually accosting the female recruits and talking about his 'mouthful' of penis and how it could be theirs if they only play their cards right. He was a disgusting excuse for a military man. Or even a human being for that matter" -A high-ranking military officer who thought od was a clown


  43. by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 9:04 am

    He did lie. Kammy even put a video of him lying out in a campaign ad, before his fellow Guardsmen outed him.

    Will enough people care? Doubtful.

  44. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 11:01 am
    Po,
    Interesting, since you only have hatred towards the military to use as a guide.
    I could actually produce the facts and wouldn't lie about my time in. I could stop the bullshit quickly with facts. Kammy and kammys cuck refuse to do that. And I have told you that if what I have said is not true I will apologize. I don't have any problem with it. Kammys cuck is silent. And refuses to defend himself. Since that is the case, I get to assume he/ they are hiding something worse.

  45. by Indy! on August 12, 2024 11:19 am

    Melania has been totally invisible since 2020. Her and Pharoah Fatso must be hiding something too.

  46. by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 2:24 pm

    The campaign has totally copped to him misspeaking, Bill.

    But you guys keep on it! I'm absolutely sure you have the stamina to keep milking this dead cow for the next 85 days..........

    Don't give up! Don't let us hurt your confidence!

  47. by Donna on August 12, 2024 2:29 pm

    It's funny watching Hts and olde dude follow their cult leader off the deep end.

  48. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 3:06 pm
    Like I said today, and over six months ago, and something you referenced today. I will vote for trumpster ONLY because the option is far worse.

  49. by Donna on August 12, 2024 3:17 pm

    LOL!

    Sad that you really believe that, though. Oh well.

  50. by Donna on August 12, 2024 3:29 pm

    So at the end of the day, the only difference between you and a garden variety MAGA is your level of enthusiasm for Trump. Your vote for Trump -- which is the only thing that really matters -- and every MAGA's vote for Trump count exactly the same. So for all intents and purposes, you're essentially a MAGA.

    How about you, Hts? Are you going to vote for Trump? Btw, that's yes or no question.

  51. by Indy! on August 12, 2024 3:35 pm

    There is no option worse than the worst option, OD.

  52. by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 3:45 pm

    "I will vote for trumpster ONLY because the option is far worse." -olde dude


    I've already asked this before, but I'll go ahead and ask it again:



    HOW???



    You stupidfucking M*GA Hats can't present a single reality-based, horrible thing that the Harris administration would be likely to do to you and the country that in any way at all compares to the democracy-ending, Constitutionfucking, ally-screwing, Putin-ass-kissing, stupidity-promoting, middle class-destroying, mob boss rule of a second Trump term.

    You couldn't present a fuckinggoddamned thing! You stupid, gullible, moronictwats are disgustingly pathetic! Cowards who can't even back up the dementedly hyperbolic, bullshit propaganda you are trained to spew.

    You can't do it. You just can't do it. Such losers.


    HERE EVERYONE...! PLEASE WATCH NOW AS NEITHER HATE NOR od PROCEED TO SHO9W IN NOW WAY WHATSOEVER HOW A HARRIS PRESIDENCY WOULD BE "FAR WORSE' THAN ANOTHER TRUMP ONE...


    They talk this stupid bloviating game but have no real anything to show anyone why they would come to the asinine conclusions that they do.

    Just watch.....! Watch all the nothing they spend pages and pages on.....










  53. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 4:51 pm
    I've already asked this before, but I'll go ahead and ask it again:



    HOW???

    I've answered TWICE. Read the fucking posts.

  54. by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 3:38 am

    OD,

    po always does this. It's a version of her "Do you still beat your wife" question. Once po starts that, dialog becomes impossible.

    Nuthin reasonable you post will penetrate the Cone of Derangement.

    Best better drop it and move on.

  55. by oldedude on August 13, 2024 5:23 am
    Yeah, this has turned into a non-negotiable brick wall with people that know nothing about the subject.

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