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Imagine that! Heather is in good company, Barack Obama is banned as well! They are accused of being "hostile to Russia" !! 😀

"“[T]he debate over the debt ceiling is unnerving,” Michal Baranowski, managing director of the German Marshall Fund of the U.S. told Siegel and Stein. “We really need the U.S. as a strong leader in world affairs during this time of deep global instability. I worry that the debt ceiling debate burns up valuable political oxygen that I would rather the U.S. spend for leadership abroad. It makes the U.S. look inward-looking, at best.”

Time is running out for Congress to pass a measure that will raise the debt ceiling.

Meanwhile, today at the G7 meeting—which Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky will attend—leaders announced a new slate of sanctions on more than 300 targets designed to block workarounds that have permitted Russia to continue its war against Ukraine. "Today’s actions will further tighten the vise on [Russian president Vladimir] Putin’s ability to wage his barbaric invasion and will advance our global efforts to cut off Russian attempts to evade sanctions," Treasury Secretary Yellen said in a statement.

In retaliation, Russia announced that it would not allow consular access to Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich, who was arrested in March on false charges of espionage. It also banned a somewhat random list of 500 Americans from entering Russia, including former president Barack Obama, comedian Stephen Colbert, 45 members of the House of Representatives, former ambassadors to Russia, various journalists, and me (!), accusing us of being hostile to Russia."

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by oldedude on May 20, 2023 8:13 am Yeah, this is a common chest puffing thing countries do. Some do mean things, others mean absolutely nothing. I saw it and didn't even read the article. Of course, I don't read her either, so there's that. by Curt_Anderson on May 20, 2023 9:46 am I am guessing that Donald Trump isn’t on Putin’s ban list. by oldedude on May 20, 2023 11:01 am Again. It's a pure political move and means nothing. Ergo. I don't give a sht. It's so small in my world that I don't want to spend more than a nanosecond (meaning this answer is more that wasted time). by oldedude on May 20, 2023 11:01 am Again. It's a pure political move and means nothing. Ergo. I don't give a sht. It's so small in my world that I don't want to spend more than a nanosecond (meaning this answer is more that wasted time). by Curt_Anderson on May 20, 2023 11:18 am OD, You can say that again! Oh, wait, you already did. by islander on May 20, 2023 11:50 am "I am guessing that Donald Trump isn’t on Putin’s ban list" ~ Curt You're right !! 😀 In fact, like Heather said, "The statement also aligned Putin with far-right Republicans who back Trump, blaming those on the list for being “directly involved in the persecution of dissidents in the wake of the so-called ‘storm of the Capitol.’” Ya gotta luv it!! LoL ! by oldedude on May 20, 2023 1:07 pm Curt- It's just a TDS thing that so much time is spent on something that doesn't really make a difference in your life. Small issues small minds. by islander on May 20, 2023 1:24 pm This too is another clip from Heather's post that will make us TDSs chuckle! "Yesterday the far-right House Freedom Caucus called for an end to any discussions of raising the debt ceiling until the Senate passes its bill calling for extreme budget cuts. Today, former president Trump announced on his social media channel that “REPUBLICANS SHOULD NOT MAKE A DEAL ON THE DEBT CEILING UNLESS THEY GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT (Including the ‘kitchen sink’).” THAT’S THE WAY THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS DEALT WITH US. DO NOT FOLD!!!” (In reality, Congress raised the debt ceiling without conditions three times when Trump was president as Trump added an astonishing almost $7.8 trillion to the national debt, much of it thanks to his tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations before the coronavirus pandemic hit.) Immediately after Trump’s demand, the Republicans walked away from negotiations over the budget that they are demanding before they will vote to raise the debt ceiling." This is the comical part: "Then, hours later, they came back to the table." 😁 by Hunter28 on May 20, 2023 1:50 pm I don't know who "Heather" is. Should I be thrilled or outraged at this news? by islander on May 20, 2023 4:03 pm Hunter, It all depends !! I don't think Hate or od like her. Heather Cox Richardso is an American historian, author and educator. She is a professor of history at Boston College, where she teaches courses on the American Civil War, the Reconstruction Era, the American West, and the Plains Indians.[1] She previously taught history at MIT and the University of Massachusetts Amherst. She publishes the daily "Letters From An American" and is the author of an excellent book "How The South Won The Civil War" !! You can click the link below to read a bit about her. I can post a transcript if the link doesn't work for you. I think you have to click "allow cookies" for a one time free access to the article. ft.com by oldedude on May 20, 2023 6:24 pm "Immediately after Trump’s demand, the Republicans walked away from negotiations over the budget that they are demanding before they will vote to raise the debt ceiling." This is the comical part: "Then, hours later, they came back to the table." Another way of saying "they walked away from the table" is "they took a long lunch in so-and-so's office." In the Middle East, it's "Prayer Time" (when you know it isn't, but no one argues. You take lunch and come back to the table. It's a regrouping effort, and to see where everyone stands because there are only a few that talk on each side. The rest will vote, and they will be heard. Behind closed doors. Welcome to negotiations. by HatetheSwamp on May 21, 2023 4:13 am Hunter, It all depends !! I don't think Hate or od like her. I won't characterize OD's affinity for Heather, or lack of it. My guess is that he ain't a big fan. isle accurately states her CV, as far as I know. isle criticizes me on the trans political agenda issue because I only chart big picture developments rather than state my opinion. isle does that with Heather. He uses Heather as a sort of surrogate. isle posts Heather stuff and/or links to it and does the, "what she says," thing. Heather is, unquestionably, bright and well-informed, but SHE HATES TRUMP! Think how Hitler regarded the Jews. Then multiply times ten. She loses her very good mind over Trump and becomes a blithering hate-spewing idiot. From time to time, as you've already noted, I answer comments made here by referring to Kierkegaard's assertion, "Subjectivity is truth." Trump hate is Heather's core truth, and she lives that truth with abandon... Heather is isle's superhero. Heather feels what isle feels and writes what isle only dreams he could. I don't dislike Heather. I do love to see her in action. She is Kierkegaard in motion. Note: Here, on SS, Pondy is our own Heather. One way of understanding my posts with po...from my point of view, you've already gotten po's...is that I prod po's subjectivity. po lives from her own biases and prejudices as unashamedly as anyone...but is convinced that she's Mr. Spock, entirely rational and objective. I've praised po many times over the years for living in her subjectivity as purely as anyone I've ever encountered... It really pi$$es her off. by oldedude on May 21, 2023 5:14 am And for me, there are whacks on both sides. Some have a very good resume. My best mentors were liberal professors. The differences are they can and do look at both sides of issues and demanded the same. Even if they hated someone politically, they could look at an issue extremely balanced. I hear the sheeple side of things much more than I do the conservative side. She's just another mouthpiece for liberal sheep. Much like the mouthpieces for the conservative sheep. So it's not as much dislike muffy. It's just that "my giveadamn's busted."* I'm "supposed" to be a Trump supporter, yet what I talk about are the legal issues pro and con. The sheep don't get that my ire is the completely about dirty cops breaking the law, being supported by the left for violating the rule of law and the constitution, and getting away with it. But none of the sheep recognize that unless I completely agree with them. Well, if the facts don't bear that out, (enter Jo Dee's lyrics again). *Thanks to Jo Dee Messina by HatetheSwamp on May 21, 2023 5:37 am "I'm "supposed" to be a Trump supporter, yet what I talk about are the legal issues pro and con." OD The most devastating insult that po can muster is that someone worships their orange lord and master. It doesn't have to be true. by islander on May 21, 2023 6:39 am Hunter 28, To get a feel for what Heather is about, the link below has a few of her articles. A couple of other writers that I quote from and recommend are Teri Kanefield and Marcy Wheeler. Teri is a legal expert who is able to write in a way that makes some of today’s complex issues more easy to understand to a lay person. Marcy Wheeler’ blog Empty Wheel is excellent and the comments after are a must read. Her blog can get a bit deep technically as far as the legal aspects go, but the comments at the end do help one’s understanding of what Marcy is talking about. I’ve always recommended these three, Heather, Teri, and Marcy. However to truly understand Heather’s posts I would highly recommend reading her book How The South Won The Civil War. It’s an excellent book on American history from the mid 1800s up to the present and she does a very good job of showing how powerfully the past influences the present. I like how well she describes the evolution of the Democratic and the Republican parties and shows how they evolved into what they’ve become today. milwaukeeindependent.com terikanefield.com emptywheel.net by Curt_Anderson on May 21, 2023 8:09 am It appears that Putin’s Russia banned visitor list is the same as Trump’s Mar-a-Lago banned visitor list. The following is from Peter Baker of the New York Times: Among the 500 people singled out for travel and financial restrictions on Friday were Americans seen as adversaries by Mr. Trump, including Letitia James, the state attorney general of New York who has investigated and sued him. Brad Raffensperger, the secretary of state of Georgia who rebuffed Mr. Trump’s pressure to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election, also made the list. And Lt. Michael Byrd, the Capitol Police officer who shot the pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt on Jan. 6, 2021, was another notable name. None of those three has anything to do with Russia policy and the only reason they would have come to Moscow’s attention is because Mr. Trump has publicly assailed them. by Hunter28 on May 21, 2023 11:49 am So I guess what threw me off is the title of the opening post ("Putin bans Heather from entering Russia") with double-exclamation point, as if this were massive news. My immediate question: "Heather?" Why are you all referring to this person in first-name only like Pele, Cher, Madonna, Prince? They are big enough celebrities that we all know who they are. But Heather? It was one of the most common name of the 1980s. (Also a funny line from the 1999 movie Blast from the Past: "Heather? I don't believe I've ever heard that name before.") And there's nothing on this page (except for a link) that contains this Heather's full name. Why does everyone call her (is that the right pronoun?) "Heather," instead of "Cox Richardson"? Very strange treatment for a person fairly low on a list of famous Heathers. Hater wrote: SHE HATES TRUMP! Think how Hitler regarded the Jews. I think that's a very interesting formulation. Usually, we would compare like items: "Person 1 hates Leader A. Think how Person 2 hates Leader B." But instead you inverted that: "Person 1 hates Leader A. Think how Leader 2 hates Person B." Did you do that consciously or subconsciously? Hitler's hate for Jews was irrational, based on propaganda and lies. Jews likewise hated Hitler, but because of factual lived experience. Hitler did not have a good reason to hate Jews, but Jews had an excellent and reasonable reason to hate Hitler. And yet you turned that around for Trump, as if hatred of him was as irrational as Hitler hating Jews. But if you had used a like comparison, "She hates Trump the way Jews hated Hitler," that would be a far more appropriate comparison, since you are comparing how individuals feel about leaders. It would also be apt since Trump had contempt for democracy, disparaged various demographic groups, ignored democratic norms and customs, and held his own Beer Hall Pustch on Jan. 6, 2021. islander wrote: However to truly understand Heather’s posts I would highly recommend reading her book How The South Won The Civil War. It’s an excellent book on American history from the mid 1800s up to the present and she does a very good job of showing how powerfully the past influences the present. There we go again with the not-quite mononymous "Heather." Not sure I need Cox Richardson's insights to demonstrate how the past influences the present. Seems pretty obvious to me. Sort of like asking, "How does sex influence pregnancies?" by HatetheSwamp on May 21, 2023 12:13 pm Hitler's hate for Jews was irrational, based on propaganda and lies. Jews likewise hated Hitler, but because of factual lived experience. Hitler did not have a good reason to hate Jews, but Jews had an excellent and reasonable reason to hate Hitler. You're crossing this river midstream. Between Heather and Teri, isle gives us about a weekly dose. And, it's all hate. TDS is what life's about here, especially for po and isle. They call it Trump DERANGEMENT Syndrome for a reason. I think Trump is despicable but I've maintained my sanity. But, for some here? Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh! by islander on May 21, 2023 12:42 pm Hunter 28, With your being relatively new here, I can understand where you might have been confused by my use of just plain "Heather" instead of "Heather Cox Richardson" in my opening post. There are usually just five of us who contribute here plus Curt. We are all familiar with and have been discussing and debating Heather's posts and articles for quite some time and I often refer to her as "Heather" or Teri Kanefield as Teri. Our discussions are probably much less formal here than they would be on more formal debating platform. Hopefully you clicked on the milwaukeeindependent link and have a feel for what she posts. She also posts her daily Letters From An American. You can learn a little more about her by clicking on the Wikipedia link below. en.wikipedia.org by islander on May 22, 2023 7:48 am In today's Letters From An American Heather goes a little bit further in explaining why Putin chose to ban her and the others from entering Russia. The list of 500 banned Americans that Russian president Vladimir Putin released on Friday makes it clear that Putin is openly aligning himself with Trump and today’s MAGA Republicans. The people on the list are not necessarily involved with U.S. policy toward Russia; they are Americans who are standing in the way of the Trump movement’s takeover of our country. Notably, one of the names on the list is Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, who refused to “find” the 11,780 votes Trump needed to win Georgia in 2020 and thus take the state’s electoral votes from Democratic winner Joe Biden. Also on the list was Michael Byrd, the Capitol Police officer who killed Ashli Babbitt as she attempted to break into the chamber of the House of Representatives, where more than 60 representatives and staffers were holed up, on January 6, 2021. Others made the “500 list,” according to the statement, for being part of “power or law-enforcement structures directly involved in the persecution of dissidents in the wake of the so-called ‘storm of the Capitol.’” Since Trump’s attempt to overthrow the will of the voters on January 6, 2021, his supporters have imitated the language and the laws that enabled Putin to destroy representative democracy in Russia and Viktor Orbán to undermine liberal democracy in Hungary. Attempting to set a new kind of imperial Russia up as a challenger to the liberal democracies that have held the majority of global power since World War II, Putin in 2019 declared liberal democracy “obsolete.” At a time when his own economic and social troubles at home threatened his continuing hold on power, he lashed out at democracy’s emphasis on equality before the law, saying that immigrant rights, gay rights, and women’s rights undermine “the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population.” Like Putin, Orbán cemented power with attacks on immigrants, LGBTQ people, and abortion rights while claiming to be shoring up traditional religion. Not surprisingly, both Putin and Orbán have praised Trump, with the overlap between the former U.S. president and the autocratic leaders becoming more pronounced as Trump’s followers work to undermine U.S. support for Ukraine in its fight to push back Russia’s invasion and in the Conservative Political Action Conference’s decision to hold a second meeting in Budapest, Hungary, this month. That overlap is also visible in the anti-immigrant, anti-LBGTQ, and antiabortion legislation spreading through U.S. states dominated by Trump loyalists. to read the rest click the link: heathercoxrichardson.substack.com by Donna on May 22, 2023 10:46 am Thanks for posting this, islander, as well as for your support on TG issues. I'm not at all surprised by Putin's support for Republican presidential candidates. As I've been saying for quite a while now, if a Republican presidential candidate wins in 2024, you can kiss democracy in Ukraine goodbye. by islander on May 22, 2023 12:59 pm You're very welcome Donna. What I say here on SS is exactly what I believe. by Ponderer on May 22, 2023 1:12 pm "if a Republican presidential candidate wins in 2024, you can kiss democracy in Ukraine goodbye." -Donna And in all likelihood, democracy in the United States as well. by Curt_Anderson on May 22, 2023 2:58 pm As I noted above in comment #16 and Islander noted in comment #20, Putin's list of personas non grata includes people who Trump has complained about. There are no Trump supporters on Putin's naughty list. Personally, I would be proud if Putin said I was banned from visiting Russia, but Putin obviously thinks that it punishes the 500 people he put on his list. Putin clearly thinks that including names like Letitia James and Brad Raffensperger, both Trump enemies, somehow aids and abets Trump. At the very least Putin is attempting ingratiate himself to Trump. Putin would love to have Trump back in the White House. Trump would reward Putin with victory in Ukraine. Trump in the CNN townhall refused to say that he supports Ukraine in their war against Russia. He made another false equivalency between Russia and Ukraine that smacks of his infamous "there are very fine people on both sides" comment. Trump ludicrously claimed "we're giving away so much equipment [to Ukraine], we don't have ammunition for ourselves right now". So when when a Trumper asks you for evidence that Russia helped Trump get elected, ask them for evidence that Russia stopped helping Trump get elected. cnn.com by HatetheSwamp on May 23, 2023 4:33 am "if a Republican presidential candidate wins in 2024, you can kiss democracy in Ukraine goodbye." -Donna I'd love to know why you even agree with that for a moment. That's total silliness. If Trump wins, he promises to end the war. But, kiss "democracy" in Ukraine goodbye? Splain how there's democracy in Ukraine. A popularly, sort of, elected government, yes. As far as we can tell, a popular president, anyway. But, what you're agreeing with needs to be sprained. Seriously. Go To Top

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