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The Tyre Nichols murder question no one is asking.
By HatetheSwamp
January 28, 2023 4:31 am
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QUESTION: To achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color, are police departments hiring candidates who aren't qualified?

The question ain't rhetorical. But, pb's been on Fox and MSNBC. No authority on proper police behavior is suggesting that what happened is, in any way, acceptable. So, how'd it happen? Is wokeness to blame?

Mine is a question that absolutely won't be addressed on SwampMedia. But, gang, ain't it legitimate?

Curt, I know that you have a family connection to law enforcement. What are you hearing?


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  1. by oldedude on January 28, 2023 5:05 am
    That has been a question since the Vietnam draft. What everyone found out is that you don't get the best people serving. And the academies have to "adjust" tests to adapt to the new type of recruits to get them through the courses. This means the end result is a lower bar than it used to be.

    I am going to inject here. Good people are still serving. I just talked to a friend of mine that is in one of the mountain towns in CO. She's looking at coming down to FL and work. Police now can pick where they work. Assuming they have a decent record. Listening to how Curt's son is doing (I think he was a detective, correct me if I'm wrong?), he can pretty much write his ticket even being a straight white male. That's a good thing.

    I'm not sure about the question and these officers. I don't know. They're academy and job performance will be in question for sure. But because of your question, how much is going to get glazed over in the name of wokeness?

    You could do a psych exam, but any cop knows all the "right" answers to the questions, so that won't be much of a defense, if at all.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on January 28, 2023 5:57 am

    The best way for the truth to come out will be the lawsuit against the City of Memphis. If unqualified candidates were hired due to woke doctrine, it'll probably take an ambulance chaser to have the self-interest to get to the question.

    You and I see the tragedy of politically correct hiring practices every time the brainless lesbian person of color strides to the podium in the White House press room. She'd never have her job except for the woke boxes she checks. She can't really do much harm. But, peace officers?


  3. by Curt_Anderson on January 28, 2023 11:10 am
    I can only speak with firsthand knowledge about the state of Oregon, the Las Vegas metropolitan police department, and of course my own son. In the state of Oregon, to be hired by a law-enforcement agency, the police, chief or the sheriff hires the applicant. Generally because the applicant has demonstrated some prior aptitude.

    In my son’s case, he worked every summer for our city park patrol. Besides, dealing with our often unruly homeless population and enforcing city ordinances he once spotted a wanted felon who was on the lam. He also obtained a four year bachelors degree in criminology in three years.

    With those qualifications, he became an applicant. The police then investigated him with a process that took almost a year by interviewing teachers, neighbors, friends, and family, and practically anybody who ever knew him growing up. Of course the cops were looking to see if he had any history of violence, etc. and to see what kind of person he was. Then during the application process, he had a day of being interviewed by a psychiatrist. There was also drug testing. Then he was hired, but he still wasn’t a cop. He then had to go through half a year of Oregon police academy...with no guarantee that he’d graduate. By the way, he was getting paid by the Ashland police department while he was at the academy. So the APD would naturally want to be pretty certain their applicant/cadet would justify their investment. A number of his fellow cadets didn’t make the grade. After all that he became he member of the Ashland Police Department.

    It was a similar procedure when he was hired by the Las Vegas metropolitan police department. My son graduated from the Las Vegas Police Academy as the salutatorian of his class. One of the areas in which you got particular high marks was for crisis de-escalation scenarios. Incidentally, my son is African-American. And no, he did not get any extra points for being a minority member or benefit from any quota system.

    As I said, I don’t know about every city and state, but I suspect in most places, especially large police forces, the would-be cop must graduate from their state's police academy.


  4. by Donna on January 28, 2023 11:32 am

    Curt- I'm surprised that you didn't comment on od's line, "Listening to how Curt's son is doing (I think he was a detective, correct me if I'm wrong?), he can pretty much write his ticket even being a straight white male."




  5. by HatetheSwamp on January 28, 2023 12:10 pm

    Incidentally, my son is African-American.

    I never picked up on that but it's a part of the answer to the question.



  6. by Curt_Anderson on January 28, 2023 12:18 pm
    Donna,
    I hadn't seen OD's post while I was writing (OK, I dictated via voice to text) my post and eating breakfast.

    I don't think OD knows what he has talking about when he implies that the police qualification bar is lowered for minorities. At least not in my son's case. The only exceptions in adjusting standards is that there have been accommodations made for women, such as lowering the height standards and pull-up requirements.

    When my son was cop here in Ashland all his fellow officers had college degrees. Some had four-year bachelor degrees like him; some had two-year associate degrees. Education is important, but being psychologically well-adjusted is been more important. Being calm, cool and collected (among other personality traits) is more important than being on the school honor roll.

    No, my son is not a detective.

    As for writing his own ticket, he has been recruited by other police departments offering him employment. He is in an in-demand occupation and he has a good work record. Of course, police departments often want to diversify so that doesn't hurt his chances any.


  7. by Donna on January 28, 2023 12:54 pm

    Oops - I guess I was reading to fast, as Curt did address that.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 3:34 am

    Memphis cops charged in Tyre Nichols murder hired after PD relaxed job requirements


    Tadarrius Bean and Demetrius Haley both joined the Memphis Police Department in Aug. 2020, NBC News reported, more than two years after the department dramatically loosened the education qualifications to become an officer.

    Loosening the required qualifications however means that the department is ultimately getting “less desirable” job candidates, Mike Alcazar, an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired NYPD detective, told The Post.

    “They’re desperate. They want police officers,” Alcazar said. “They’re going through it, they check off some boxes, saying, ‘Ok, they’re good enough, get them on.”



    nypost.com


  9. by Ponderer on January 29, 2023 5:14 am

    "QUESTION: To achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color, are police departments hiring candidates who aren't qualified?" -Hate


    So Bill, are you suggesting by this question that you think it's possible that in order to meet some mandated quota of officers of color, these five black officers were hired instead of five white officers who would have been more "qualified"? "To achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color"?

    That certainly seems to be what you are suggesting.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 6:01 am

    Possible?

    Possible, yeah. You think it's not possible?


  11. by Ponderer on January 29, 2023 7:23 am

    Pretty much anything is "possible". Sure it's possible. It's also possible that I might win the lottery next time I play it.

    Your saying that it's possible doesn't really get to the heart of the matter of why you think that it was such an all-fired and deeply important question to ask in the first place.



    What do you think are the odds in this case that because of some quota system, five superior white recruits were denied becoming police officers because those positions had to go to these five inferior and unqualified black men instead?



    I think that the odds of what you suggest in this case are so low that it's of no great shock at all that it's a question that no one but you has asked.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 7:37 am

    po. You asked the question about it being possible. I answered.

    If you're following the the thread, you saw the NYP article about standards being lowered in Memphis.

    Here's what I think. Because of past racial bias, the city has had to consider candidates formerly deemed unacceptable in order to achieve a fair racial balance.

    More importantly, progressives' hatred of law enforcement officers, expressed so passionately during your 020 Summer of Love, and your constant call to defund the police has made it difficult for police departments to attract quality applicants...

    ...meaning?, you did this.


  13. by Ponderer on January 29, 2023 8:38 am

    So then you apparently think that the odds are rather high that to achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color, these five black officers were chosen over five more qualified candidates.

    Conversely, I think that the odds of that are so low in this case that I feel confident in saying that it did not happen.

    I've read the NYP article you linked to. There was no mention whatsoever of any race requirements or quotas in it at all. The article talks about how difficult it has been to get anyone to become police officers.

    Assuming that you read the article you posted, where it's explained that the MPD is down 500 officers and in desperate straights to fill positions, the question that you asked suggesting that qualified white recruits are being turned away for any reason is flabbergastingly illogical. Besides being willfully wrong for some strange reason.

    The only way asking that question in the form of an accusation like you did in this case makes any sense (and what explains why no one else is asking it) is if you were trying to promote and support some racist based agenda you seem to have.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 8:50 am

    Yeah, po. You read the NYP article so you know that two of the five officers were admitted to the academy after standards were lowered.

    It had nuthin to do with them being people of color...merely, previously unqualified.


  15. by Ponderer on January 29, 2023 9:24 am

    "QUESTION: To achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color, are police departments hiring candidates who aren't qualified? -Hate, Asking The Question That No One Else Is Asking


    I hate to break it to you, Bill, but nothing in the article asserted or suggested that the new lowered standards only applied to black applicants. You simply pulled that out of your own racist ass for some reason.


    You seem to want this change in requirements to mean that unqualified blacks are being hired while qualified white applicants are being turned down. Whatever their reasons for lowering their standards for new recruits, it was not "to achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color" as you assert it was.





  16. by Donna on January 29, 2023 9:36 am

    Memphis is a predominately Black city. and I do know that police departments across the nation try to place Black cops in Black neighborhoods.


  17. by Donna on January 29, 2023 9:45 am

    Since 65% of Memphis residents are Black while only 13% of its police force are Black, given that police departments like to place Black cops in Black neighborhoods, it would make sense for them to hire as many Black cops as possible for reasons that have nothing to do with an affirmative action hiring program.



  18. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 10:24 am

    po,

    You're misunderstanding the whole thread. The whole thread points out the power of woke-ism and speculates that, because of the woke, an important question won't be asked, i.e.:

    QUESTION: To achieve the goal of a politically correct percentage of officers of color, are police departments hiring candidates who aren't qualified?


    The Post observes that standards have been lowered, but...


  19. by Ponderer on January 29, 2023 12:17 pm

    Bill,

    YOU are the one who instigated any misunderstanding by posting this thread to begin with. Forgive us for not understanding your irrelevant question in the first place.


    "The whole thread points out the power of woke-ism and speculates that, because of the woke, an important question won't be asked, i.e." -Hate

    The Whole Thread may think that's what it's doing. But if it's using this case and the link you provided as something of an example to support any real link between this case and anything having to do with "woke-ism", it failed hilariously.




    Bill, nothing in the article in any way at all suggests that the standards were lowered for any reason other than to broaden the pool of candidates when there weren't enough otherwise to fill desperately needed positions.




    "Woke" has nothing to do whatsoever with your question not being asked. You have inserted "woke-ism" into a discussion it has no demonstrable business in. "Woke-ism" has nothing at all to do with it, much as you'd desperately need it to. Sorry.

    The question that truly needs to be asked here is, why do you need it to?


    But you know, another question that no one is asking is whether or not Covid vaccines had something to do with these killers going crazy and killing Tyre like they did.

    I'll let you start a thread on that one. More up your alley apparently.



  20. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 12:19 pm

    Fly, Eagles, fly!


  21. by Ponderer on January 29, 2023 1:43 pm

    I think they're going to win the Super Bowl.


  22. by HatetheSwamp on January 29, 2023 2:03 pm

    Thanks for the positive thoughts. Their my faves and the Chiefs are 1A. Here's hopin.


  23. by Donna on January 29, 2023 3:18 pm

    Eagles vs Bengals


  24. by Donna on January 29, 2023 7:15 pm

    Real bonehead move by Joseph Ossai.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on January 30, 2023 4:07 am

    Yikes, Donna. Talk about bone-headed!


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