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What do you think of the Republicans’ latest proposals?
By Curt_Anderson
January 26, 2023 10:27 am
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House Republicans have some new ideas! They include a 30% national sales tax, cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and abolishing the IRS.

I think it’s a great idea if their intent is to elect more Democrats.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2023 10:32 am

    "Accountable America is a left-wing political group created in the summer of 2008. Its goal is to reduce political donations to conservative 527 groups."

    Nuff said.

  2. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2023 10:34 am

    McCarthy shoots down national sales tax bill as GOP members balk
    axios.com

  3. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2023 10:35 am
    But you are not denying that the Republicans have propose exactly what I said above, are you?

  4. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2023 10:43 am
    In my ongoing efforts to be fair and balanced, here is the link to Congressman Buddy Carter’s national sales tax proposal, which would abolish the IRS in his own words
    buddycarter.house.gov

  5. by Ponderer on January 26, 2023 10:44 am

    A national sales tax is just about the stupidest political idea ever conceived.

    As is cutting SS and Medicare.

    The depths of inhumanity that some Republicans are willing to sink to to foist their asinine, inhuman sociopathy upon average Americans, just so that they can give even more tax breaks to wealthy industries, themselves, and the rest of the affluent in this country, is a sickening thing to behold.

    It will forever baffle me how any self-respecting voter in this country can elect so many of them.

  6. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2023 10:51 am
    Ponderer, in answer to your bafflement I believe the explanation is that Republicans receive votes from a lot of one issue voters. I think for a lot of voters especially the uninformed voters, it’s enough if a candidate says if they are pro life, or pro Second Amendment, or against gay marriage, or harp on any of a plethora of cultural issues.

    Of course stupid people like stupid ideas.

  7. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2023 10:56 am

    Just curious. What's so outrageously stupid about a national sales tax?

  8. by Ponderer on January 26, 2023 10:58 am

    Well Bill, the fact that it would absolutely devastate the middle class and poor while barely touching the wealthy in any significant way at all.


  9. by Ponderer on January 26, 2023 10:59 am

    But then... that's its intended outcome after all.

  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2023 11:01 am

    po,

    How would it do that?

  11. by Ponderer on January 26, 2023 11:38 am


    Because the poor and middle class, especially those on a fixed income like SS, spend a far greater percentage of their income on things than the wealthy do.

    A single parent not making more than the minimum wage who has to buy clothes for their children will have to spend a far greater percentage of their income on those clothes than a person making $250k a year will have to pay for the same clothes will.

    The poor and middle class spend a far greater percentage of their incomes (sometimes their entire incomes) per month on things they need than the rich do. The rich have disposable income and tend to put it away in the bank or buy stocks or other investments, which doesn't really help the economy at all.

    The poor and middle class are the ones who are buying most of everything that keeps this economy going by supporting it and putting the money back into it. Subsequently, they will be paying a far greater, more devastating amount of their income in such taxes than the rich would.

    So a rich guy has to pay 30% sales tax on the 85 foot yacht they wanted to buy? Oh well. He'll just buy a 75 foot one instead. Other than things like that, it won't make a dent in what the rich spend their money on.

  12. by Ponderer on January 26, 2023 11:44 am

    JESUS!!!

    Apparently it would even applies to food!

    How many rich people do you think can't feed their kids on the money they make? Food is probably one of the smallest slices of the pie that the rich ever have to spend money on.

    Meanwhile, there are plenty of poor people who are skipping meals for their children because food is a giant chunk outta their pies. Chrge them 30% more on top of that???

    A 30% national sales tax is a pig-ignorantly idiotic and sociopathically stupid idea.

  13. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2023 11:59 am

    Just to be clear, pb's not in favor of a national sales tax either, though it would make your precious Big Brother smaller.

    I was just curious. Your objections to GOP innocation are so visceral that wasn't sure there was anything to your opposition beyond the gut level.

  14. by Ponderer on January 26, 2023 12:04 pm

    As you may have noticed over the years, when asked to explain or back up my positions, that's what I end up doing. I am not ashamed of any belief I have and will stand behind and gladly explain them.

    You oughta try it sometime, Bill.

  15. by Donna on January 27, 2023 7:40 am

    Right now, if you live below the poverty level, you pay almost no income tax. For those people, imposing a 30% national sales tax would drive them even further into poverty.

    What about state income and sales taxes? Would the 30% national sales tax be in addition to those taxes?

    There are so many things wrong with this proposed tax that I have to wonder what would drive some Reoublican lawmakers to even suggest it.

  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 27, 2023 7:47 am

    One thing pb thinks distinguishes GOPs from Dems is that, these days, Dems are conservative to the degree that they ate reactionary.

    The Dems just voted to, essentially, double the size of the IRS which is a hot mess. One of many reasons pb is happy to be a GOP is the GOP is the party of innovation, of open minds. Does pb favor this so-called "Fair Tax?" No. But, he's happy to know that there are people around who are still thinking.

  17. by oldedude on January 27, 2023 8:24 am
    Donna, You're correct. This was that remark the left jumped on during his prez run regarding 47% of the US doesn't pay taxes. This is/was a true statement.

    Sales tax is an overused system in Europe as the VAT tax. Things are taxed according to their category. Food has a low or no VAT, cars a very high VAT. Public transportation, almost nothing if anything. Energy? very high. I'm still not a fan, but hybrid's of this have been used for decades.

    What we need is a system that someone with a sixth grade education can fill out the form for individuals and families. Small business taxes just a little tougher, although they still need to do all the employer taxes. Cooperate taxes are a different animal.

    I'm going to match this with the immigration system. It's never been truly reformed and rebuilt. It's just been added to. This makes it necessary to force individuals to pay others to do their taxes.

    So I don't have "the" answer.

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