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Hate links Evangelicals to the WCN radicals !!
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January 23, 2023 12:17 pm
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Wow !!! You said you used to be an Evangelical. What made you get out of the Evangelical movement and are you glad you are no longer a part of it?



Do you think Evangelicals are more apt to be drawn into WCN (White Christian Nationalists) groups than most other Christian groups, and what do you think about the divide that appears to be taking place? Donald Trump doesn’t seem too happy about it.

Does this video (to you) explain the reason for this divide? Ya gotta watch it to the end to see how and why it explains the reasons for this divide.



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  1. by islander on January 23, 2023 12:20 pm

    If that link doesn't work try this one:
    View Video


  2. by Curt_Anderson on January 23, 2023 12:34 pm


    Here's that video. Islander, I tried fixing your link myself, but there is something screwy on their end apparently. I hope the above works.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on January 23, 2023 1:40 pm

    Okay, isle, I watched it. It's a half hour of my life I'll never get back...and, I'm a geezer. Thanks a lot! Baha.

    I think that the whole video is entirely, exactly and precisely off-base.

    Evangelicals are not white supremacists. Franklin Graham is an evangelical. Rick Warren is an evangelical. Evangelicals are disciples of the sixteenth century Protestant Reformers. Martin Luther. John Calvin. And, their teachings on the divinity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith...even predestination. Their brains don't connect to white nationalist beliefs.

    Your video actually slips a few times and identifies the people who are the subject of the video, accurately. as FUNDAMENTALISTS. Truth: there is no evangelical divide over white nationalism. Evangelicals oppose white nationalism.

    A small number of fundamentalists embrace it.

    If you want to be accurate. Do you? At one point, again, your video slips and accurately observes your "uncivil war" on the CHRISTIAN RIGHT.

    pb used to be an evangelical, one of several solar systems in the Christian Right universe.


  4. by islander on January 23, 2023 1:46 pm

    That link works perfectly! Thanks Curt.

    I know, especially at the beginning, that it's probably showing some of the worst aspects of the more extreme elements of those Evangelicals who are drawn to the WCN movement. I think we're all familiar with that aspect, but then it goes on to explain how and why it happened and what the others are doing to try and distance themselves from it.

    It's a bit scary to see how ordinary people can be manipulated psychologically by some of these radical religious leaders, but then, I was also stunned to see how easily Trump was able to do the same thing to his followers using similar psychological methods.


  5. by islander on January 24, 2023 5:30 am

    So tell me, Hate, I didn’t see your reply to the questions I asked you in my post.

    

“You said you used to be an Evangelical. What made you get out of the Evangelical movement and are you glad that you are no longer a part of it?



    Do you think Evangelicals are more apt to be drawn into WCN (White Christian Nationalists) groups than most other Christian groups, and what do you think about the divide that appears to be taking place? Donald Trump doesn’t seem too happy about it.”



  6. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2023 6:22 am

    isle,

    I hope you understand that I did answer the second question. If you don't understand that, then you're simply asking one of po's, Do you still beat your wife?, questions.

    As far as the first question? I've posted about that many times...and it's nuthin dramatic. I simply separated myself from the institutionalized church. In effect, I did a Kierkegaard. I decided that following Jesus is what believers in Jesus should do.

    In your video, I loved the "good pstor/bad pastor" ploy. The wacked "bad pastor," the alleged Christian Nationalist, is not an evangelical but the "good pastor?," he's an evangelical...to the core: Conservative Christian sweetness and light, but watch the video again. He's all about Christian-ITY, not Jesus. He's a metaphor for why I'm not an evangelical.


  7. by islander on January 24, 2023 6:38 am

    The "I answered that question before" is the standard way of avoiding answering a question.

    With regard to the second question as to why you left the Evangelicals, your response, "I decided that following Jesus is what believers in Jesus should do" indicates to me that you feel "following Jesus", is not exactly what Evangelicals do, or at least that you couldn't really follow Jesus as an Evangelical.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2023 6:52 am

    isle,

    Nearly the entirety of my post that is #3 on this thread is a careful, specific and detailed answer to, "Do you think Evangelicals are more apt to be drawn into WCN (White Christian Nationalists) groups than most other Christian groups,...?"

    I'll repeat the remark I've often made to po: You CAN'T BE that stupid! I know that you're not. Stupidity ain't your Achilles heel. You definitely are a disciple of Heather and Teri. I'm sure that is why you promote their posts so regularly. HEATHER AND TERI are haters. They...YOU...are defined by what you passionately oppose. Clearly, when a thought takes root in your brain, it's there for...effin...ever!

    So, buddy. I've helped you as much as I can with that first question. If you need to pursue it further, you'll have to seek another authority.


  9. by islander on January 24, 2023 7:02 am

    Hate...I think you waste too much time thinking up ways to avoid answering questions that you don't want to answer LoL !!

    All you really have to do is plead the 5th!!! 🤣


  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2023 7:03 am

    On the why I left question: You're not far off. After too many years, I became convinced that following Jesus is rather simple. Popes and institutions are a detriment.

    "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness..Love your enemy...Whatever you did for the least of these...?" Amazingly simple.

    Your "good pastor" grooved on Christian-ITY. Church. Not Jesus. To be fair, it may have been the bias in the video and the questions he had to answer...but, he's par for the evangelical course, from what I saw.


  11. by Donna on January 24, 2023 7:21 am

    Come on, Hts. You stopped attending church on Sunday because you wanted to watch football. Now you can sleep in on Sunday morning and watch football without showering, putting on a suit and driving to church just to listen to a boring sermon, right? Time to fess up.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2023 7:28 am

    Fly, Eagles, fly, on the road to vic-to-ry...the only hymn we sing!

    youtu.be


  13. by islander on January 24, 2023 12:38 pm

    Hate wrote: ”After too many years, I became convinced that following Jesus is rather simple. Popes and institutions are a detriment.

    "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness..Love your enemy...Whatever you did for the least of these...?" Amazingly simple.”


    Excellent !! I’ve been very happy to see you evolve here on the boards over the years. We snowflakes, wokes, liberals, swamp, or whatever label you use to describe us are indeed having a good effect on you. Soon you’ll be one of us since that’s how we strive to live our lives !!

    We’re the “bleeding heart” liberals who see the systemic injustices in our society and want to see them addressed...and we actively work towards that goal!

    I don’t think it will be too long before you’ll have to change your name from Hate the Swamp to Love the Swamp. You won’t even despise Trump anymore. There'll be no room in your heart for that kind of “Hate” or any kind of hate. !

    Here’s to ya 🍻


  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2023 12:57 pm

    We’re the “bleeding heart” liberals who see the systemic injustices in our society and want to see them addressed...and we actively work towards that goal!

    I think you're giving yourself waaaaaaaaaay too much credit. Waaaaaaaaaay too much.


  15. by islander on January 24, 2023 2:34 pm

    I'm not taking all the credit by any means. Notice I said "we" (bleeding heart liberals) are working toward those those righteous goals !

    If you keep making progress you too can be one of the good guys !! 👍


  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2023 2:53 pm

    pb acknowledges impatience with progressive sanctimony...

    ...and I'm positive that you were being transparent when you suggested that you think progressives are unique because you "see the systemic injustices in our society and want to see them addressed...and we actively work towards that goal!"

    How arrogant. How self-righteous!

    You progressives are unique only in dreaming that the only possible solutions involve empowering Big Brother.

    isle, we all see injustice. We're all working to address it.


    I will note AGAIN, that you actually seek injustice every time you praise the denial of due process...as you did prominently with your J6 Committee.


  17. by islander on January 24, 2023 4:12 pm

    Hate wrote: "How arrogant. How self-righteous!"

    Don't worry, Hate. What you're feeling right is just part of your recovery process. I'm pretty confident you'll get through it. It can sometimes take a while.

    We're all rooting for you!


  18. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2023 4:29 am

    Y'ain't that stooped. I'm sure you're not. Bahahahahahahahahahaha!


  19. by islander on January 25, 2023 7:28 am

    Hate wrote: "Y'ain't that stooped. I'm sure you're not.”

    Why, thank you Hate !!! 🍻

    See ! Doesn’t it feel much better to acknowledge another person’s qualities rather than engaging in sarcastic and childish name calling?

    This is hopefully (and I think it is) another sign that you are evolving as you begin your rise above the poor misguided WCN folks in the video !

    I have to give you credit because I know how hard it must be for you. 👏


  20. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2023 7:43 am

    There are nights when I wake up sweating thinking: WHY CAN'T I BE LIKE isle!!!!!?

    You can't know the torture!


  21. by islander on January 25, 2023 8:16 am

    Hate wrote: ”There are nights when I wake up sweating thinking: WHY CAN'T I BE LIKE isle!!!!!?”

    That’s a GOOD sign, Hate !

    You are beginning to recognize that you have a problem and that’s the first step. The good news is that you CAN become a better person.


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