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Terrorizing the Swamp
By HatetheSwamp
January 4, 2023 5:17 am
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In po's "The Republican Civil War" thread, I wrote to Curt that, while you SwampLovers sneer at the GOPs, pb thinks that you are missing the the point. I think that something very serious and important is taking place in the House.

You probably all remember learning about Hegel's dialectic, Hegel's theory of the way change happens among humans...the old "thesis, antithesis, synthesis" idea.

My sense of you SwampLovers is that you're following along through the SwampMedia, and, particularly, the wacked out progressive, Dem-luvin branch of the SwampMedia. CNN, MSNBC, the broadcast networks, the NYT, the Wapo, the HuffPo et.al.. If that's so, you're getting no objective reporting about the McCarthy opposition. You're happily, as you always seem to do, consuming lib SwampPropaganda.

Blue MAGA SwampMedia source POLITICO has an article today trashing the GOP's Freedom Caucus. It says,

Former Speaker John Boehner once dubbed certain members of the House Freedom Caucus “legislative terrorists.” After Tuesday’s spectacle on the House floor, some GOP members are taking it a step further.

Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) says he’s heard colleagues privately tag the 19 Republicans who repeatedly voted against Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) for speaker the “Taliban 19” — a nickname Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) called “hurtful” and “false,” though he added “I too am prepared for an extended battle I will ultimately win.”

...“This is no longer about McCarthy. This is about what they are doing to the conference and the Republican Party,” added Rogers, who earlier Tuesday pledged to try to strip members who vote against McCarthy of their committee assignments.

...Many GOP lawmakers have long viewed their colleagues in the House Freedom Caucus as intractable rabble-rousers. They’ve watched them take down two speakers in a decade, prompt countless intraparty disagreements and rely on unpopular delay tactics to make their point opposing big spending and top-down leadership decisions. But for many Republicans, the failed votes on Tuesday were a new low.


...and it continues.

pb's bang on.

For many of us, it's the Swamp that's the issue. There's a genuine sense in which the opponents of McCarthy make the GOPs seem silly, to you SwampLovers, anyway. But, the truth is that, if you're content to be King George in the 1770s, you need to get that sometimes 1770 becomes 1776, then 1783, then 1787, then 1789 (the precious Bill of Rights)!

So, SwampLovers, laugh. Be sanctimonious. Sneer...as you progressive SwampLovers do...but, Donald Trump was elected in 016. AntiSwamp anger hasn't been sated.

The antiSwamp is alive and well. For now, it's paralyzed the US Congress.

Ask Kevin McCarthy.


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  1. by Donna on January 4, 2023 6:27 am

    What legislation are the supposed anti-swamp Republicans proposing? What do they want to get done that the swamp has prevented?


  2. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 7:22 am

    Good question, Donna...but it's the WRONG question...by an, as po'd say, effin mile. These people come from a totally different paradigm. McCarthy's political philosophy is not the issue. These people are conservative and McCarthy is more conservative than the previous GOP Speakers, except for Newt. From what I see, there's a strong libertarian streak among these antiSwampers. Clay and Buck asked yesterday what would be the issue if the House doesn't elect a Speaker for, effin, MONTHS!

    Shutting down Congress is a win over here. There's no way for Big Brother to get bigger without Congress!

    As a whole, you Blue MAGA progressives don't seem to respect the antiSwamp enough to even achieve a 101 level of understanding of it. That's arrogance. It's sanctimony.

    But, now, this small handful of rebels have won a Boston Tea Party guerilla type victory.

    Over here, it feels good.

    BTW, if the US is attacked and "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" needs a declaration of war from Congress, I'm sure the guerillas will elect McCarthy Speaker and declare war. Otherwise, I'm happy for this to go on and on.

    You in the Swampcult can laugh at the silly GOPs. We'll just smile.


  3. by oldedude on January 4, 2023 7:23 am
    Actual immigration reform is the biggest thing. Something bipartisan, fair, including actual DACA reforms that give those people (and the government agencies) an expedited citizenship that doesn't have to include tens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars of lawyer fees to the person.

    Most of these folks are conservative Libertarians. Small federal government and more hands on by the voters (like the Constitution says).

    Again, the issue of politicians bought off by groups.



  4. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 7:50 am

    Considering the brainless progressive puppet in the White House, the best way to achieve small government for the moment is to have no functioning Congress.

    You're right, OD.

    pb's been saying for years that the one worthwhile thing DC can do is to produce intelligent and merciful immigration reform but pb can't see the House with McCarthy as Speaker and Chuck You running the Senate achieving that.

    pb LOVES seeing the Swamp suffer, especially the SwampGOPs. For the moment, the GOP SwampMedia is furious. You Blue MAGAs should check out Fox's today. You'll enjoy. For now, the SwampDems and the progressive SwampMedia are laughing. But, if this goes on...

    ...with no Congress? Whata hoot! And, everyone in the Swamp will sweat. Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!


  5. by Donna on January 4, 2023 9:00 am

    Ok, immigration reform. I heard yesterday that the Freedom Caucus has an immigration bill. Have you guys read it? Do you know what's in it?


  6. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 9:19 am

    I don't.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on January 4, 2023 9:24 am
    “From what I see, there's a strong libertarian streak among these antiSwampers. Clay and Buck asked yesterday what would be the issue if the House doesn't elect a Speaker for, effin, MONTHS!” —HtS

    But Hunter Biden’s laptop! What if Hunter Biden had a bank account in China? Or heaven forfend, what if Joe Biden had a bank account in China? Wouldn’t the freedom caucus want to discover that?


  8. by Donna on January 4, 2023 9:31 am

    LOL!

    I thought that maybe you would know a little about the only issue you mentioned that your anti-swampers would like to see addressed and have their solutions become the law of the land.

    It sounds to me like you're not really interested in reform of any kind, and that all you really support is tearing down everything.








  9. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 9:33 am

    Trump entered this on Truth Social, about 8:00 this morning (1/4):

    "Some really good conversations took place last night, and it’s now time for all of our GREAT Republican House Members to VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY, & WATCH CRAZY NANCY PELOSI FLY BACK HOME TO A VERY BROKEN CALIFORNIA,THE ONLY SPEAKER IN U.S. HISTORY TO HAVE LOST THE “HOUSE” TWICE! REPUBLICANS, DO NOT TURN A GREAT TRIUMPH INTO A GIANT & EMBARRASSING DEFEAT. IT’S TIME TO CELEBRATE, YOU DESERVE IT. Kevin McCarthy will do a good job, and maybe even a GREAT JOB - JUST WATCH!"

    We're about to see if OrangeMan has clout in the GOP with the Freedom Caucus.


  10. by Donna on January 4, 2023 9:40 am

    LOL! Who was the last Repubican SOTH who was SOTH long enough to lose twice?



  11. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 9:44 am

    But Hunter Biden’s laptop! What if Hunter Biden had a bank account in China? Or heaven forfend, what if Joe Biden had a bank account in China? Wouldn’t the freedom caucus want to discover that?

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh. The Biden Crime Family!

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha. Curt and Donna. You're parroting the argument of the SwampGOPs. Strange bedfellows, eh!!!!!? Well, maybe not. SwampGOP and SwampLovers! Over here, taking a swipe at the Swamp is, by far, the bigger victory. In any case, Joe Biden’s corruption will be addressed when the time comes. For now? HatetheSwamp!!!!!

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo hahahahahahahahaha heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

    pb can't lose.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 9:46 am

    Last Republican Speaker? Paul Ryan.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 10:05 am

    Donna,

    Nancy Pelosi lost the Speakership twice.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on January 4, 2023 10:09 am
    Check out the current New York Post front cover at the link below. The headline is GROW UP! With a picture of Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz and others who they call saboteurs. HtS, my sense is that the “swamp” is not terrorized.

    By the way, I am watching the vote count in the House; McCarthy is set to lose for a fourth time. Apparently Donald Trump’s endorsement this morning has had zero impact.
    nypost.com


  15. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2023 10:19 am

    Yeah, Curt, I saw the NYP cover when I was watching FOX AND FRIENDS this morning. I told you. The GOP SwampMedia is going crazy. Fox, the NYP. They're going absolutely crazy! They're furious at the antiSwamp crowd.


    The failure of OrangeMan to sway the vote for McCarthy is what I suspected...

    ...but, the point is that this is with the Freedom Caucus. It's still waaaaaaaaaay to early to conclude but every sign is saying Trump's washed up.


  16. by Donna on January 4, 2023 12:02 pm

    "Nancy Pelosi lost the Speakership twice." - Hts

    Duh. That's what I was responding to in my previous post.


  17. by oldedude on January 4, 2023 12:42 pm
    The biggest problem is that McCarthy is still a swampcreature. Trump's endorsement (or lack thereof) is immaterial. I think the left puts much more stock in what he is in the party than the conservatives.

    honestly, if anyone is putting any stock in this at all, you're completely illiterate about politics and power... and couldn't negotiate a job out of a wet paper bag.


  18. by Donna on January 5, 2023 6:57 am

    Strangely, Hts, who reminds us daily how much he hates the swamp, supports that swamp creature, od.




  19. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 7:05 am

    Who does pb support?


  20. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 8:12 am
    I don't as a first choice, but then the only people you're going to get for the positions are swampcreatures. So like most things in politics. My favorite person will not be everyone else's. Can I live with it? Sure. He does have good positives. I'm just not sure about him being strong enough against the three-year olds in the dim party. He also needs to counter the dim playbook. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "The tongues of dims are full of deceits." I'm not sure he has the guts.

    Just as the squad made demands to get their votes, McCarthy and the Freedom Caucus are at odds about who said what when. That shouldn't be a public thing at all. With that though, if what McCarthy said is true, the FC lost a lot of bargaining power and should quietly concede.

    The creature from the black lagoon prior to this before this did this all behind the smoke-filled room. All of a sudden, the squad were put into positions it generally takes years to get.

    So now it's a game of chicken. The FC can over play their hand. That's a bad thing. OR McCarthy can fall out and let someone else take the helm. Byron Donalds seems to be a good pick but is still a sophomore so there is an experience issue (not swampy enough).

    The FC needs to get together and run the "if-then" scenarios so they're all in sync. Which it seems they are, but have something they can re-offer McCarthy.


  21. by Donna on January 5, 2023 10:30 am

    As I said a couple of days ago, the GOP House isn't going to elect a new speaker. I'm writing this as I watch the 7th speaker vote predictably fail to elect a new speaker. The 10% of House Republicans who are essentially holding our government hostage will continue to do so until some kind of emergency action is taken.

    Back to immigration -

    It was Matt Gaetz who I heard mention a couple of days ago that they had an immigration bill already written that they'd like to pass.

    Since you guys, Hts and od, have indicated that amazingly you have no knowledge about the GOP House bill that addresses the only issue you named as one you would like to see the incoming GOP House lawmakers address, I decided to research it myself. Apparently Gaetz was referring to H.R. 4760, the Securing America's Future Act.

    June 21, 2018 

    Press Release

    Washington, D.C. — U.S. Congressman Matt Gaetz (FL-01) issued the following statement today after voting in favor of H.R. 4760, the Securing America's Future Act [see second link below], which was defeated in the House by a vote of 193–231:

    “I was proud to vote for H.R. 4760, the Securing America’s Future Act. This bold, conservative immigration bill would have fulfilled many of President Trump’s immigration priorities: implementing mandatory E-Verify, ending chain migration, ending the diversity visa lottery, ensuring there was no path to citizenship for DACA recipients, and building America’s border wall. I am saddened that Democrats and moderate Republicans prevented its passage, which was a once-in-a-generation opportunity to fix America’s broken immigration system. I will continue to oppose broad-based amnesty for illegal aliens, and I will keep fighting to ensure that America’s borders are places where the rule of law is followed and enforced,” Rep. Gaetz said.


    That bill already failed back in 2018 and will fail again, at least in its current form, even if the new House, if or when it commences, passes it.

    So what else would you guys like to see them to spend the next 2 years working on besides investigating Democrats?

    gaetz.house.gov
    congress.gov


  22. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 10:39 am
    First. NO bill ends up the way that it starts. It's a wonderful thing about our REPUBLIC. It gets changed in the house it starts in. Meanwhile the other house usually has a comparable bill. Those get passed. The two sides negotiate the final bill. Those usually don't pass without changes. The two side meet again. They adjust. If they come to an agreement, both sides pass the bill.

    This is exactly what I was talking about. The GOP puts through all the bills they want, and have exactly what they want in them. Let's say the house passes the bill and the senate can get it through and it dies. The GOP can now blame the dims on refusing a perfectly logical bill that had everything they wanted in it. They REFUSED to work with the GOP. It's their fault.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 10:43 am
    I noticed that Matt Gaetz wants to the end "chain migration". "Chain migration" occurs when individuals, usually men have migrated first, established themselves, and sent money for fiancés, wives, and children to migrate. My German-born grandfather who came to America around 1900. When he was able to save enough money for her ship passage, my grandmother followed about five years later. I dare say that most Americans have similar examples of chain migration in their family history.


  24. by Donna on January 5, 2023 10:58 am

    od: It wasn't only the Democrats who killed that immigration bill.


    It turns out the aisle is a porous border.

    google.com


  25. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 12:21 pm
    Again, the swamp is devoid of ethics. What did nancy promise in return?


  26. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 12:32 pm
    OR what didn't the minority whip offer? (FYSA, that was McCarthy). So a lot of the failings of the GOP can be attributed to the lack of leadership under him.


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