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Is convenience worth giving up your privacy for?
By Donna
August 29, 2022 8:28 am
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This technology will come as a great disappointment to conspiracy theorists who were counting on everyone being forcibly chipped.

Is that an antenna I see protruding from the back of his head? Hmm.

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on August 29, 2022 9:31 am
    I didn't know Amazon has brick and mortar stores. Or are we talking about waving our palms in front of a computer screen to order online?

    I'm not sure it would be much different than the way I am able to buy stuff at the local hardware store. There is a little electronic device with a stylus on their counter. My signature looks like an Etch-a-Sketch version of my John Hancock. As far as I know they can't determine my political views. It's handy that I don't have to carry a wallet.

    Is Russell Brand's antenna a hairclip?

  2. by Donna on August 29, 2022 11:27 am
    I mistakenly posted a response to this on another topic thread.

  3. by Curt_Anderson on August 29, 2022 11:27 am
    by Donna on August 29, 2022 10:59 am
    Whole Foods is a subsidiary of Amazon.

    I'm guessing that most people don't care that much about their privacy. They're content with being bombarded with targeted ads that were derived from Google searches. Many may even see targeted ads as beneficial.

    If you use social media, you probably don't care too much about what corporations or political parties know about you.

    With all the crazies out there in mind, I don't publish much personal info about myself on my Facebook wall. All I give is my name. Someone would have to dig through my posts to uncover what city I live in.

    There's a software company whose name escapes me that was used, I think by the RNC, to gather info about social media users in order to understand how best to convince them to vote for Trump. Reportedly the software was so clever that it was able to find out more about social media users than most of them knew about themselves.

    It's probably inevitable that the US, and probably the world, will eventually adopt a social demerit system like the one in China, except that it'll probably be accomplished surrupticiously without direct involvement from other people.

    I will assume you meant to post the above in this thread.

    Yes, I forgot about Amazon owning Wholefoods. I've never been in a WholeFoods in my life.

    I never understood the objections and whining about ads that relate a person's Google searches. You will be seeing ads anyway, as ad revenue makes it possible for websites to exist. Isn't it better to see ads relevant to your interests that irrelevant ads? When I've researched running shoes, electronic devices or whatever, I appreciate if I am alerted to a sale on shoes or electronic devices.

  4. by Donna on August 29, 2022 11:30 am
    Thanks. I was just in the process of c&p-ing it here.

  5. by Donna on August 29, 2022 11:31 am
    I find those ads annoying. Many people do.

  6. by Donna on August 29, 2022 11:33 am
    Actually I find all ads annoying. Some people find them so annoying that they take extra measures including paying extra so that they won't even see them.

  7. by Curt_Anderson on August 29, 2022 11:40 am
    Sure, you find ads annoying generally. We often mute the ads we see on TV. Since the time that you were a kid the amount of commercial advertising time per hour has more than doubled.

    But I don't get why you'd prefer to see ads that are unrelated to your interests. And if not based on your past expressed interests (based on your browser history) how would you see see relevant ads?

  8. by Curt_Anderson on August 29, 2022 11:45 am
    What I find more annoying than ads is going to site, often a newspaper or magazine, that has a headline that interests me and told that I have to subscribe to read the article.

  9. by Donna on August 29, 2022 11:45 am

    The software company whose name I couldn't think of is Cambridge Analytica.

    From Facebook, Cambridge Analytica and data mining: What you need to know; The world's biggest social network is at the center of an international scandal involving voter data, the 2016 US presidential election and Brexit.

    Consultants working for Donald Trump's presidential campaign exploited the personal Facebook data of millions.

    Last month, The New York Times and the UK's Guardian and Observer newspapers broke news the social networking giant was duped by researchers, who reportedly gained access to the data of millions of Facebook users and then may have misused it for political ads during the 2016 US presidential election. Facebook said it was investigating the reports, which involved data consultancy Cambridge Analytica...

    Cambridge Analytica reportedly acquired the data in a way that violated the social network's policies. It then reportedly tapped the information to build psychographic profiles of users and their friends, which were used for targeted political ads in the UK's Brexit referendum campaign, as well as by Trump's team during the 2016 US election.

    Cambridge Analytica is a UK-based data analytics firm, whose parent company is Strategic Communication Laboratories. Cambridge Analytica helps political campaigns reach potential voters online. The firm combines data from multiple sources, including online information and polling, to build "profiles" of voters. It then uses computer programs to predict voter behavior, which could be influenced through specialized advertisements aimed at the voters.

  10. by Curt_Anderson on August 29, 2022 12:31 pm
    Cambridge Analytica is/was more pernicious than Google's ads which you see here and elsewhere. In the case of Cambridge Analytica, I blame the gullible dupees as much as the dupers. Cambridge Analytica most successfully influenced people who apparently got all their "information" from Facebook. They were the classic low-information voters. Good citizens are well-informed citizens.

    Incidentally, I have been seeing ads for mattresses on these pages. My wife has been talking about getting a new mattress. Since we have the same ISP it's probably something she has researched.

  11. by Donna on August 29, 2022 12:34 pm
    Probably 2/3 of Americans -- and I'm probably being generous -- are low-info voters.

  12. by Donna on August 29, 2022 5:38 pm
    And low-info voters, more than any other bloc of voters, determine the outcome of elections.

  13. by islander on August 30, 2022 5:01 am

    I’d prefer not to see as many ads but like Curt said, they make it possible for me to surf the web, find invaluable information, and read articles that are interesting to me without having to pay to see them. Sometimes I actually find ads that really are helpful to me.

    To me, it’s like looking through a magazine (only better) and it's more or less like simply turning past the pages of ads and stopping at articles that interest me.

    I’m pretty open on Facebook and any information I share with pictures or address etc. can be found elsewhere with a few clicks of a mouse, so I probably enjoy enjoy sharing news, pictures, jokes, and even engaging in political and currant events discussions with friends and relatives more than I would if I were worried about who might find out ‘something‘ about me.

    I don’t have a huge number of ‘friends’ and don’t accept most friend requests unless I know the person and/or know why they might want to send me a friend request. 

  14. by HatetheSwamp on August 30, 2022 5:20 am

    Probably 2/3 of Americans -- and I'm probably being generous -- are low-info voters.

    Ah, with the sanctimony again.

    It strikes me, Donna, that your ilk that only feeds off the progressive SwampMedia, are...


    You make a small, but highly committed portion of the electorate.

  15. by oldedude on August 30, 2022 5:57 am
    I thought it was just my friends who weren't in that generalization.

  16. by Donna on August 30, 2022 9:48 am
    LOL! Why are you being so defensive, Hts? FYI I was referring to the entire electorate - people who vote Democrat too.

  17. by Donna on August 30, 2022 10:01 am

    To the discussion about online ads -

    I use my cell phone a lot to access the internet. A few months ago I subscribed to the NY Times for $1 a week, which will go up to $2.50 next June. Even at $2.50 it's a bargain. Websites that don't have a pay wall are laden with so many ads that often it's so cumbersome navigating through the ads and waiting for ad pictures to load that I give up.

  18. by Curt_Anderson on August 30, 2022 10:10 am
    We have the same $4 a month deal with the NYT and have had it for at least a couple years. Just yesterday it was set to expire but wife called up and said we didn't want to continue if the price goes up. As they do every time they extended the $4 deal and said "we want you to continue enjoying the New York Times". That's a near verbatim quote. We keep the Times expiration date on our calendar so my wife knows when to call.

    Not that $2.50 a week is outrageous.

  19. by Donna on August 30, 2022 10:10 am

    In fact I'm having trouble with ads blocking content on this site right now.

    This morning, ads started appearing below "Comments start below" that obstruct so much of the first comment that I can't read it. Btw it's Google ads.

    What's up with that, Curt? I've never encountered that problem here before today.

  20. by Curt_Anderson on August 30, 2022 10:34 am
    Hmm. There are as many as three ads on this page. One at the very top, one below the article and above any comments. Both are in confined spaces so they should not block any content. A third floater ad at the very bottom of the page is something Google added about 6 months ago and appear intermittently. That ad if it's blocking content can be collapsed by clicking the down arrow in its upper left corner.

  21. by Donna on August 30, 2022 10:40 am
    The problem doesn't happen on our desktop computer. Cell phones reformat content so everything fits. The problem is that sometimes the reformatting blocks out non-ad-related content.

    I X'ed out the ad, but then Google replaced it with another ad in the same location. So apparently I'm stuck with the problem for now.

  22. by Curt_Anderson on August 30, 2022 10:57 am
    Don't click the X, click the down arrow on the left side to collapse the ad.

  23. by Donna on August 30, 2022 11:24 am
    There is no down arrow on the left on my cell phone.

    The good news is that at least for now, the comments are appearing after and below the ad.

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