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THE ELEMENTS OF THE OFFENSE FOR AN 18 USC 793E PROSECUTION (for those who want to know)

By islander
August 27, 2022 4:55 am
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Marcy gives us a very clear account of the seriousness and an idea of what the some of the pending charges against Trump might be, and Trump IS indeed in serious trouble and it’s only going to get worse for him.



Here’s what jurors would be asked to decide: 
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  1. by HatetheSwamp on August 27, 2022 5:36 am

    Key to holding Donald J. Trump accountable for the theft of classified documents...

    isle,

    I'm so glad that I'm not a TDSer, or an Ultra-MAGA. Fighting the pull of emotion and its tendency to destroy rationality, is something I don't struggle with over the raid...but, clearly, isle, your brain is shot over this.

    So is Marcy's.

    NO ONE...ANYWHERE...except for TDSers like Marcy and you...is claiming that Trump engaged in the THEFT of classified documents.

    The only question is whether he has the right, as a former President, to hold them in his possession.

    Please attempt to be sane. You're an old man. We don't want you to have a heart attack or a stroke.

  2. by islander on August 27, 2022 6:15 am

    For those who want to know. In Marcy’s article, she gives some of the questions that a jury will have to decide upon. It’s not a long post but it is very interesting and informative. Even the comments after the post make some very good points.

    Well worth the few minute it takes to read it. 👍

  3. by oldedude on August 27, 2022 6:32 am
    I've posted a couple of times about Sandy Berger and never gotten a response from any of the sheep. Not even the well-rehearsed response lines.

    This is a guy that stuck classified documents in his socks and down his pants at NARA and left with them. He was tied to both cliton and obomber.

    Oh. yeah. It's legal if you're a sheeple, but not if you're conservative...

    But again, it's precedent...

  4. by islander on August 27, 2022 6:32 am

    Heather’s blog today also gives us some good info to think about on this subject and is well worth reading.

    Excerpt from Heather Cox Richardson's article:

    "Trump is in serious trouble…and so are the rest of us. This stolen and mishandled classified intelligence compromises our security. The best-case scenario is that it was never seen by anyone who knew what they were looking at. Even that would mean that our allies have every reason to be leery about sharing information with us again.
    

    But that’s the best-case scenario. We have to wonder, who else now knows the secrets designed to keep Americans safe? Multiple news stories during Trump’s presidency noted that even then, Mar-a-Lago was notoriously insecure. And, unthinkable though it should be but sadly is not, what if secret documents have already been given or sold into the hands of foreign actors whose interests conflict with ours?
    

    I have been writing today about Trump’s first impeachment and the hearings where Marie Yovanovitch, Fiona Hill, and Alexander Vindman, immigrants all, who served our nation faithfully and fully, risked—and ultimately lost—their jobs to warn us that Trump was willing to compromise our national security for his own interests.”


    heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

  5. by oldedude on August 27, 2022 6:39 am
    It reads like a David Duke editorial. Only worse.

  6. by Curt_Anderson on August 27, 2022 9:54 am
    Hts,
    It is theft all right. Trump is like any temporary resident such as tenants and hotel guests. They don't get to keep the light fixtures and towels no matter how attached they are to them.

    The presidential records act and applicable laws are quite clear in this point.

    Trump will have his chance in court to make the case that he has a right to the items he absconded with.

  7. by HatetheSwamp on August 27, 2022 9:58 am

    Curt,

    I hope so. But, I can't see it.

  8. by oldedude on August 27, 2022 3:58 pm
    Vindman was a POS that couldn't lead a guide dog out of a wet paper bag. That's why he was an "infantry" "officer" that had only served a partial tour before they put him at a desk where he couldn't kill anyone. I think that's why he's a hero to the sheeple.

    ""Trump is in serious trouble…and so are the rest of us. This stolen and mishandled classified intelligence compromises our security.
    That's pretty possible. I haven't heard what was there, but I'll agree.


    The best-case scenario is that it was never seen by anyone who knew what they were looking at. Even that would mean that our allies have every reason to be leery about sharing information with us again."
    I'm going to bring up (for the fourth time) Sandy Berger. The guy that actually went into the Achieves and put TS in his socks and underwear (ewwww) and stole those documents. Read up on it. The second one is yet another the sheep have always held dear to their hearts. Hill cliton. She leaked thousands of embassy documents classified TS, much to the dismay of many countries. Obama had to clean that one up, but it took him awhile.

    theguardian.com
    theguardian.com
    vault.fbi.gov

  9. by oldedude on August 28, 2022 6:06 am
    My point to these "whataboutisms" is there is precedent in this case. I know that deflates the sexual fantasies of the TDS'rs, but it's a fact and something that must be looked at before you start thinking you'll get a million years or the death penalty for this.

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