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August 11, 2022 1:27 pm
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"In his first public statement since federal agents searched former President Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago earlier this week, Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday said that the Justice Department had filed in court a request that the search warrant and property receipt from the search be unsealed.
Garland also said he "personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter."
He noted that the department did not comment on the search on the day that it occurred. He pointed out that the search was confirmed by Trump that evening. He said that copies of the warrant and the warrant receipt were provided to the Trump lawyers who were on site during the search.

"The Department filed the motion to make public the warrant and receipt in light of the former president's public confirmation of the search, the surrounding circumstances and the substantial public interest in this matter," Garland said. "Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor. Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing."


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Comments on "For those who want to know part two":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on August 11, 2022 1:38 pm
    Garland also pushed back on those like Marjory Taylor Greene who tweeted "Defund the FBI".

    "Third, let me address recent unfounded attacks on the professionalism of the FBI and Justice Department agents and prosecutors. I will not stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked.

    The men and women of the FBI and the Justice Department are dedicated, patriotic public servants.

    Every day, they protect the American people from violent crime, terrorism, and other threats to their safety, while safeguarding our civil rights. They do so at great personal sacrifice and risk to themselves.

    I am honored to work alongside them." --Merrick Garland


    justice.gov


  2. by islander on August 11, 2022 1:47 pm

    I'm 100% behind you Curt. Those hurling unfounded attacks at the FBI and the Justice Department only serve to show what kind of people they themselves are.

    This news is not for them, like the header says, its For those who want to know...


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2022 2:11 pm

    Thus saith the LORD.


  4. by oldedude on August 11, 2022 2:25 pm
    Having worked with the FBI and multiple other federal and local agencies, I'll say the average agent is beyond reproach. It's the hierarchy that is crooked, backstabbing and bought off by the dims. How do I know that? By their own testimony and statements about the now ill-founded and debunked dossier that the FBI KNEW was false and used it to obtain a FISA warrant. Then had the balls to use the same dossier to lie again and renew the FISA warrant. They knew it was false. And they purgered themselves twice and used that in the media demanding it was true. In addition to that, Strzok & Page (two pees in a pod), Wray, Auten, and several others have yet to be punished and the cases are still on hold.

    "Horowitz’s report undermined British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier claims, and the watchdog criticized the Justice Department and the FBI for at least 17 “significant errors and omissions” related to the FISA warrants against Page and for the bureau's “central and essential” reliance on the Steele dossier. The Justice Department watchdog said FBI interviews with Steele’s alleged main source, Igor Danchenko, "raised significant questions about the reliability" of the dossier."

    Just to catch you up, several sheeple news outlets had to eat crow on this and admit they were wrong in calling out Trump and the conservatives.

    It's your fault if you haven't followed this. You seem to "know" about everything else, you ought to catch up on both sides of any issue before putting out bullshit.
    msn.com


  5. by Curt_Anderson on August 11, 2022 2:48 pm
    OD,
    Before you opine on the veracity of reports that Russia helped elect Trump, shouldn't you await the findings of the John Durham investigation?


  6. by islander on August 11, 2022 4:30 pm

    olddude-do you want to argue about Biden’s son’s case? Start a thread for that. Don’t clutter-up this thread with deflections. 
 


    This thread is for those who want to know and discuss what’s happening with regard to the search warrant issued and the subsequent search of Trump’s Mar-a-largo estate.

 If you have evidence that Garland or the FBI did anything illegal or unethical please present it. And by that I don't mean unfounded speculation
.


  7. by oldedude on August 11, 2022 4:40 pm
    Where in the fuck did I do that? you need to quit smoking dope and drinking before you post. Bitch.


  8. by oldedude on August 11, 2022 4:44 pm
    "OD,
    Before you opine on the veracity of reports that Russia helped elect Trump, shouldn't you await the findings of the John Durham investigation?"

    Those have already been taken out and acknowledged in writing, and on the air. Steele's dossier was a lie.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on August 11, 2022 4:54 pm
    OD,
    Not all the evidence of Russia helping Trump get elected was in the Steele dossier.

    The Steele dossier makes no mention, for example, of a July 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Russians and senior campaign officials including Donald Trump Jr., who eagerly accepted the request for a meeting after being told they were bringing dirt on Mrs. Clinton.

    Nor does the dossier mention that in August 2016, Konstantin V. Kilimnik — described in the 2019 Mueller report as having “ties to Russian intelligence” and in a partly declassified, bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in 2020 as a “Russian intelligence officer” with possible ties to Russia’s election interference operations — flew to the United States to meet with Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.

    Investigators established that the two had discussed whether Mr. Trump, if elected, would bless a peace plan effectively allowing Russia to control eastern Ukraine, and that Mr. Manafort had shared internal polling data and campaign strategy information with Mr. Kilimnik, which the Treasury Department later said he passed on to a Russian spy agency.

    The Robert Mueller-led special counsel investigation led to indictments of 34 people and three companies. Many of those indicted — like Mr. Kilimnik — reside abroad and have not faced trial. Mueller obtained nine guilty pleas or jury convictions, including half a dozen close Trump associates. None of those indictments cited the dossier as evidence.


  10. by oldedude on August 11, 2022 4:58 pm
    I'll just throw you some tidbits of the apologies from some of the news sources you should have been informed by.

    The Steele dossier: A reckoning
    The central allegations, that Trump conspired with the Kremlin to win the 2016 election and that Russia had compromising information on him, were given a veneer of credibility because they originated from a retired British spy, Christopher Steele, who had a solid reputation.
    But five years later, the credibility of the dossier has significantly diminished.
    A series of investigations and lawsuits have discredited many of its central allegations and exposed the unreliability of Steele's sources. They also raise serious questions about the political underpinnings of some key explosive claims about Trump by shedding new light on the involvement of some well-connected Democrats in the dossier, and separate efforts to prod the FBI to investigate ties between Trump's campaign and Russia.


    So I ran out of room with only being able to list four sources. Here are some more

    New York Times Admits Anti-Trump 'Steele Dossier' Was Fake
    https://neonnettle.com/news/15276-new-york-times-admits-anti-trump-steele-dossier-was-fake

    ‘Steele dossier’ firm pushed journalist to spread incorrect Trump-Russia theory: witness
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/steele-dossier-firm-pushed-journalist-to-spread-incorrect-trump-russia-theory-witness/

    Washington Post corrects, removes reporting that relied on discredited anti-Trump Steele dossier
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-corrects-removes-reporting-steele-dossier
    cnn.com
    bing.com
    forbes.com
    grassley.senate.gov


  11. by oldedude on August 11, 2022 5:02 pm
    The warrant was based on the Steele dossier. Ergo, any information obtained from that warrant is fruit of the poison tree. We had this discussion at nauseum.

    Fruit of the Poisonous Tree A legal metaphor, the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree Doctrine essentially claims that if the source—or the “tree”—of evidence is tainted, then anything gained—the “fruit”—is tainted as well. Also known as the exclusionary rule, the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree Doctrine makes illegally obtained evidence inadmissible in a court of law. This means the evidence cannot be used against the defendant while at trial. Because the doctrine can affect the evidence of a trial, it can ultimately influence the entire outcome of the case. Evidence must be obtained legally, meaning through search warrants and the like.
    klgflorida.com


  12. by islander on August 11, 2022 5:10 pm
    olddude wrote:"Where in the fuck did I do that?"

    Click on the link you provided and you can read, "FBI Director Christopher Wray said disciplinary action against agents involved in the bureau’s Trump-Russia investigation has been “slowed down” due to ongoing cooperation with special counsel John Durham.

    An FBI analyst whose assessment was used to label Hunter Biden evidence as "disinformation" wrongly in 2020, according to whistleblower disclosures, was referred for disciplinary action for his role in Crossfire Hurricane just months before doing so, but Wray confirmed during Senate testimony on Thursday that the process has largely paused."


    Nothing you have been posting here says anything about the search warrant issued and the subsequent search of Trump’s Mar-a-largo estate.



    Neither the Russian investigation nor Biden's son's investigation have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

    Like I said, If you have evidence that Garland or the FBI did anything illegal or unethical in their search please present it. And by that I don't mean unfounded speculation
.


  13. by oldedude on August 11, 2022 6:24 pm
    I did. It's been accepted by the FISA court and the FBI. You're just too TDS.


  14. by islander on August 12, 2022 4:38 am

    ”I did. It's been accepted by the FISA court and the FBI. You're just too TDS.”



    You absolutely did not provide any evidence that Garland or the FBI did anything illegal in obtaining the search warrant and/or carrying out the legally executed search at Mar-a-Lago. The search concerned presidential records that Trump removed from the White House when he left office in January 2021. The FBI search warrant authorized agents to seize "presidential records or any possibly classified material," And that’s what they did, 15 boxes of them.


  15. by oldedude on August 12, 2022 9:12 pm
    Then show it. You are calling me a little bitch for something you should have read in my posts. So now, you need to cite everything you said.


  16. by Donna on August 12, 2022 9:22 pm
    How could islander show something he says isn't there?


  17. by oldedude on August 12, 2022 9:30 pm
    So you're illiterate also? I didn't think so... but there's always...


  18. by Donna on August 12, 2022 9:40 pm
    Everyone knows it's impossible to prove negative. Well, everyone except you.


  19. by oldedude on August 12, 2022 9:45 pm
    So now you're another Islander. Got it. I'll treat you like I do him.

    I mad it very clear what I was talking about. Either you're just stoopid, or you just went to california public schools and can't read. Either one is fine, I'll just take it down to a third grade level for you to understand.


  20. by Donna on August 12, 2022 10:03 pm
    You're in rare form tonight. It must be tough to watch the demise of your Lord and Savior.


  21. by islander on August 13, 2022 3:56 am
    by oldedude on August 12, 2022 9:12 pm
    Then show it. You are calling me a little bitch for something you should have read in my posts. So now, you need to cite everything you said.


    Who called you a little bitch? You are making no sense whatsoever.



  22. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 7:08 am
    "You absolutely did not provide any evidence that Garland or the FBI did anything illegal in obtaining the search warrant and/or carrying out the legally executed search at Mar-a-Lago. The search concerned presidential records that Trump removed from the White House when he left office in January 2021. The FBI search warrant authorized agents to seize "presidential records or any possibly classified material," And that’s what they did, 15 boxes of them."

    So you know what was in the boxes? You're "ass uming"

    This issue is (for the fourth time) their history of illegally obtaining warrants, lying to the court, lying to congress, using false information against people, violating trust of the FISA courts, violating DOJ protocol, among other things. This shows a history that anyone else (ANY OTHER DOJ employee) would have been jailed.

    For you "non-believers," it's pretty evident this has been confirmed when the agency in question admits wrongdoing, and a FISA judge openly scolds the agency. (This set of judges is unnamed for their own security generally). I know it's not what you want to hear. Oh well, I'd suggest you get your TDS checked.


  23. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 7:18 am
    I think it's comical that you see a box and using your X-ray glasses from a comic book, you know what's in it. But if I bring facts, you won't believe it. Understand the Mueller "investigation" is written by the same people that engaged in the illegal activity. I am shocked you can't see the relationship here.

    If it were Trumpsters, you'd be all over it. And if this were happening to pedojoe or obomber, I'd be saying the same thing that I am now. It's about criminality in the government, the swamp you choose to support.


  24. by islander on August 13, 2022 7:45 am

    oldedude on August 13, 2022 7:08 am...”So you know what was in the boxes? You're "ass uming"

    You are using that tactics of deflection and straw man. You know as well as I do that I never said I knew what was in those boxes. If you’d like, I’ll copy and paste what I said or just look at your own post above where you quoted me.

    ”Understand the Mueller "investigation" is written by the same people that engaged in the illegal activity.

    No. I don’t understand that the Mueller investigation is “written” by the same people that engaged in the illegal activity.

    Who “wrote” the Mueller investigation? And once again let me remind you what this discussion is about...the legally executed warrant and search of Mar-a_Lago.

    It’s not about the Mueller investigation or any of the other topics you’re using as a deflection. I’ll be happy to discuss the Mueller investigation or any of those topics if you’ll start a thread for them.


  25. by Donna on August 13, 2022 8:25 am
    od is saying that since the FBI has lied before, they're lying now.

    Applying that same template, Donald Trump should never be believed either.

    Nor practically anyone.

    Since no one should ever be believed, why are we wasting our time discussing anything?


  26. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 8:34 am
    "Who “wrote” the Mueller investigation? And once again let me remind you what this discussion is about...the legally executed warrant and search of Mar-a_Lago."

    If you watched the Mueller testimony, you'd know that Mueller doesn't have a clue what's in there. There's apparently little that he's actually been briefed on. He has a team from inside the FBI/ IC. Those are the people that lied about the Trump investigations. Their "word" means nothing to me.

    I have been on your point the ENTIRE TIME. You are choosing to deflect and demand that your "opinion" is absolutely a FACT. It isn't. It's an opinion. Again, I don't trust the people who wrote it. It's only because the FBI leadership is inept that they're not in jail. Garland admitted "we just haven't gotten around to it." when asked why the same people that lied about the FISA warrant were still working for DOJ. They are the same people involved in writing this warrant. That has been my tie-in this entire time. It does have EVERYTHING to do with this case. If I were Trump's lawyers, I'd throw the warrant out because of the prior criminal activity, thereby scrubbing the case.


  27. by islander on August 13, 2022 8:50 am
    old dude- this is an example of the kind of thing that would help you to make abetter arguments for your opinions. Instead of just making 'claims' of malfeasance. Post just who did what, names etc, and what happened to them, and try to find and post something like this as evidence, I've given you the link so you can see it first hand:

    "FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation

    Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, pleaded guilty today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to a false statement offense stemming from his altering of an email in connection with the submission of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”) application, announced John H. Durham, Special Attorney to the Attorney General.

    Pursuant to the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act), the guilty plea proceeding occurred via videoconference before U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg.

    According to court documents and statements made in court, between July 2015 and September 2019, Clinesmith was employed with the FBI as an Assistant General Counsel in the National Security and Cyber Law Branch of the FBI’s Office of General Counsel in Washington, D.C. On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened a Foreign Agents Registration Act investigation, known as “Crossfire Hurricane,” into whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating activities with the Russian government. By August 16, 2016, the FBI had opened cases under the Crossfire Hurricane umbrella on four individuals, including an individual identified in this case as “Individual #1.”

    Clinesmith was assigned to provide legal support to FBI personnel working on Crossfire Hurricane, and he assisted FBI personnel with applications prepared by the FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division to conduct surveillance under the FISA. During the investigation, there were a total of four court-approved FISA applications targeting Individual #1. Each of the FISA applications alleged there was probable cause that Individual #1 was a knowing agent of a foreign power, specifically Russia.

    On August 17, 2016, prior to the approval of the first FISA application #1, another U.S. government agency (“OGA”) provided certain members of the Crossfire Hurricane team a memorandum indicating that Individual #1 had been approved as an “operational contact” for the OGA from 2008 to 2013 and detailing information that Individual #1 had provided to the OGA concerning Individual #1’s prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers. The first three FISA applications did not include Individual #1’s history or status with the OGA.

    Prior to the submission of the fourth FISA application, and after Individual #1 stated publicly that he/she had assisted the U.S. government in the past, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent (“SSA”) asked Clinesmith to inquire with the OGA as to whether Individual #1 had ever been a “source” for the OGA. On June 15, 2017, Clinesmith sent an email to a liaison at the OGA (“OGA Liaison”) seeking clarification as to whether Individual #1 was an OGA source, and the OGA Liaison responded via email to Clinesmith. On June 19, 2017, Clinesmith altered the email he received from the OGA Liaison by adding the words “not a source,” and then forwarded the email to the FBI SSA. Relying on the altered email, on June 29, 2017, the SSA signed and submitted the fourth FISA application to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The application did not include Individual #1’s history or status with the OGA.

    Clinesmith pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government, an offense that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years and a fine of up to $250,000. Judge Boasberg scheduled sentencing for December 10, 2020.

    This case is being prosecuted by Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Neeraj N. Patel and Assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony Scarpelli, with the support and assistance of other members of Special Attorney Durham’s team."


    justice.gov


  28. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 9:13 am
    Trump, obomber, pedojoe, cliton, cliton, etcetcetc if you're going to use the same template.

    DOJ agents are sworn to both the standard oath, and annually they are required to take and sign for "ethics" training. These are ETHICAL violations of knowingly using false information to lie to a court in order to swear that the warrant is true and correct. So it's not just an "I forgot I am sworn to tell the truth."

    I also want to add one more item to your comparison. Sandy Burger. United States Deputy National Security Advisor under Clinton. He has a very long history of Stock fixing after billy told him he had to sell the stock, and other things. One thing though jumps out at me. He went in to National Achieves for some "research" and in a four-day period, stole classified documents from that agency by putting the documents down his pants and in his socks. He got probation.
    en.wikipedia.org


  29. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 9:17 am
    "old dude- this is an example of the kind of thing that would help you to make abetter arguments for your opinions. Instead of just making 'claims' of malfeasance. Post just who did what, names etc, and what happened to them, and try to find and post something like this as evidence, I've given you the link so you can see it first hand:"

    Honestly, I'm pretty appalled that I need to treat you like a kindergartener. This was all over the news, the hearing lasted a couple of months, and even the cartoon network had to relent and say it was all a lie. How you didn't know this is beyond me. I'll be sure to line it all out for you next time. Of course, then you'll say there's too much for you to read. BTW, that was one of the smallest things in the entire case that was an issue.


  30. by Donna on August 13, 2022 10:14 am
    Why do you have such an angry deposition, od? You say you're Buddhist. You should try working that into your personality.


  31. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 10:29 am
    Honestly, it's because I've explained this six times. I've said the same thing, using different words and tying it in to this every time. I'm tire of it. It's been, what three days of this bullshit? Again, I thought I might be talking to adults, or at least high schoolers.

    And BTW, I'm not Zen or Tibetan. I'm Shambhala, which is a whole different thing. To compare the two is like saying Jewish and Southern Baptists are the same.


  32. by Donna on August 13, 2022 10:41 am
    Why let yourself get so upset here that you regularly attack people? I know you have a lot of health issues, and I'm really sorry about that and truly hope you find relief, but why take all of your pain and frustrations out on others?


  33. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 10:47 am
    Like I said. I talk to people the way they talk to me.


  34. by Curt_Anderson on August 13, 2022 10:50 am


  35. by islander on August 13, 2022 10:57 am

    "Since no one should ever be believed, why are we wasting our time discussing anything?

    You're right Donna! That's what olddude has been telling us all along. I'm done wasting my time trying to communicate with him.


  36. by Donna on August 13, 2022 10:59 am
    You regularly and unprovokingly attack people you disagree with, od, frequently with ad-homs. No one else here does that.


  37. by oldedude on August 13, 2022 11:10 am
    "You're right Donna! That's what olddude has been telling us all along. I'm done wasting my time trying to communicate with him."

    See? Problem solved.

    ""Since no one should ever be believed, why are we wasting our time discussing anything?"
    This is a large part of it. I have been extremely clear about who and why I don't trust those people. It isn't about the Bureau. Like I said twice before. I worked with them, I assisted with warrants, I worked on Title IIIs with them. The one thing I could say about those folks is they were always professional and trustworthy. What happened in Crossfire Hurricane shouldn't have happened to anyone. I would have the same feelings regardless of who was targeted.


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